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Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYI] Islanders sign Brock Nelson to extension (6 year, $36 million)

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Faceless said:
It's hard for people to criticize their favorite team's management. It's also hard to hear criticism.

I don't think the Nelson deal is much of an issue. I assume he'll produce at a similar level (maybe regress slightly) for 2-3 years. It's the back-end I have an issue with.

Still, it's more so the general strategy, which I can't seem to discern.

Before the season, it looked obvious to me what the Islanders were doing. They were signing a bunch of deadline fodder that they could leverage into assets along with their existing expiring contracts.

The surprise season thrust them into a weird situation and they ended up standing pat and getting knocked out rather quickly.

What's the plan now? Is Lou going to overpay guys to try and replicate this years success? Is he going to let them walk? Was last year an anomaly? Will the guys who performed better than expected (Nelson, Filppula, Lehner, etc) be able to repeat their performances?

There's too many questions for me. And I don't see a path to sustained success here. Lou needs to commit one way or the other or else the Isles will be mired in mediocrity and stuck with albatross contracts of which there are already several.

When Lou went into Toronto he had a clear plan and, while making some mistakes, generally stuck to the blueprint. I think the blueprint here got altered and now I have no idea what direction this team will take.
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Way too many question marks without long term stability but some seem to be satisfied with mediocrity rather than tear it down. Im tired of the losing also but it's hard to look at this roster and see anything more than a borderline playoff team.
 
Like Nelson as a player but that contract is terrible. Lou has been a bad GM for many years now and nobody calls him out on it. Ever since the clutch and grab era ended, he's been clueless. One great coach hire doesn't change years of incompetence. This isn't young L0u. This is old, senile Lou who has no clue.
 
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tradenashnow said:
Like Nelson as a player but that contract is terrible. Lou has been a bad GM for many years now and nobody calls him out on it. Ever since the clutch and grab era ended, he's been clueless. One great coach hire doesn't change years of incompetence. This isn't young L0u. This is old, senile Lou who has no clue.
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Hes always been bad with contracts but somehow any Devils fan saying it is labeled as a ‘Lou-hater’

Which is confusing because Lou won us three cups.
 
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He’s been lazy and inconsistent for most of his career and really only seemed to take it to that next level in a contract year. I’d be wary with this deal. I know 6 or so million seems to be the going rate now for players of his type, but I’d be a little worried if I was an Islander fan. Maybe he’s turned a corner under Trotz, but only time will tell.
 
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Judging islanders based on point totals from last season is straight up foolish. Brock Nelson finished 3rd on the 5th best team in the nhl in points. That gets you 6 mil.

The fan base actually watching Nelson play is happy with the contract
 
The Winter Soldier said:
Brock Nelson put up 25 goals, 53 pts as a #1C or 2C on the stingiest goals against team last year. His defensive metrics were off the charts last season in his first season under Trotz.

He was 11th in 5v5 GA60 metric at 1.64 with a min of 800 TOI played in the entire NHL. There was no top 6 Center better.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Sure there may be more Centers who had more points than him last year, but the net sum as a Top 2 Center not many. And this is what wins and loses games. Being a net positive 5 v 5.
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5v5 GA is more of a goaltending, team goals againt stat. You have to run it against his own players not against other teams players.
 
supsens said:
5v5 GA is more of a goaltending, team goals againt stat. You have to run it against his own players not against other teams players.
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It is a team stat no doubt, and a very valid stat when used in context that Nelson was 1 of the top 2 Centers on the Isles last season, on a team with the best GA average. Trotz rolls 4 lines, but Nelson was given a lot of responsibility last year, and it was not in a sheltered role. Thus being 11th in the NHL in GA60 is an impressive and overlooked stat that I am only happy to point out for people that only cite goals and assists.
 
Hischier and Hughes said:
Hes always been bad with contracts but somehow any Devils fan saying it is labeled as a ‘Lou-hater’

Which is confusing because Lou won us three cups.
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This is only his second off season with the Isles but he's been fine with us(granted the sample size is small).

Nelson got a 1.75m raise per year
Eberle took a 500k cut

So this off season so far he's only added 1.25m to the cap(pending Lee/Lehner)

Last off season he made a bunch of good under the radar signings(you can bash Komorov but he's kind of a swiss army knife guy in the bottom six, he'll serve his purpose).
 
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The Winter Soldier said:
Very impressed by Nelson tonight. 2 assists to give him his 9th pt playing in his 9th game tonight in a top 2C role.

This signing is looking like a steal when you look at others around the league.
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If Nelson played every month like Brocktober, he'd basically be Anze Kopitar.

But if he plays like last year overall for 3 years of his contract & then declines a bit, the deal is still a good one.
 
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dano16 said:
If Nelson played every month like Brocktober, he'd basically be Anze Kopitar.

But if he plays like last year overall for 3 years of his contract & then declines a bit, the deal is still a good one.
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I really like his game since Trotz took over as coach and now that he is a Center and not a C/W. He was probably the Isles best 200 ft Center last year. I think he has 60 pts potential and he can play Crosby or Malkin straight up defensively. Really an underrated player IMO.
 
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Nelson's improvement with Trotz is close (but not nearly as dramatic) as Jokinen with Keenan.

Both players had potential but thought would fail with the coaches hired to right the team.

Still think the Nelson contract will bite us in the last couple years of the deal but should be very good the first couple. Pretty much the risk any team takes with a late 20's UFA to be.
 
To Brock's credit, he's been a better play under Trotz even when he's not scoring. That was always my biggest complaint with him pre-Trotz. When he wasn't scoring he was an absolute ghost. Now he's at least working hard and using his size a bit more. He's become more efficient in his own end. Even if he settles in around the 50 point mark again I'll be content as long as he's doing all of the other things.

The guy has really cemented himself as a solid 2C.
 
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Pure Slaughter Value said:
Nelson's improvement with Trotz is close (but not nearly as dramatic) as Jokinen with Keenan.

Both players had potential but thought would fail with the coaches hired to right the team.

Still think the Nelson contract will bite us in the last couple years of the deal but should be very good the first couple. Pretty much the risk any team takes with a late 20's UFA to be.
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Age wise he was a 2010 first rounder. Add 9 years to 18 and he’s 27. Deal ends at age 33. So didn’t commit insane term.l to someone who finishes the deal at 36 or something.
 
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StreetHawk said:
Age wise he was a 2010 first rounder. Add 9 years to 18 and he’s 27. Deal ends at age 33. So didn’t commit insane term.l to someone who finishes the deal at 36 or something.
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Yeah, plus it's not like he's the type of guy who seems like he'll fall off a cliff at 31 since he doesn't rely on speed, isn't abusing his body playing bigger than he is, etc..
 
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I don't like the length of this contract like most of the free agent deals that are guaranteed in the NHL today.
Nelson has gotten better but for a guy his size he needs to be more physical.​
 
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