Post-Game Talk: NY Rangers @ Penguins | 4/6/19 - 7PM - MSG

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Caps - Ovechkin
Pens - Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Staal
Hawks - Kane
Kings - Doughty
Bruins - No one, actually

So...9 out of last 10 Cup winners have had one or more Top 2 pick.

Actually, 10 out of 10.

 

[Irishguy42]

Actually, 10 out of 10.

See edit.

 

[Machinehead]

That franchise is a mess though. Kupari-Kakko is a nice 1-2 punch but those contracts are killing them. They might get top picks for three more years simply because they can’t move their aging vets.

And then when those vets roll over and croak, they'll have three franchise talents in their prime.

 

[Tawnos]

There’s no question they have moved in the right direction. I also think Quinn has been very good like you said with some of the young guys with their development. Buch, Howden, and ADA were the ones I thought saw good development. I also think he handled Namestnikov very well, ever since he got scratched he was a much better player.

Chytil is still young, and think he had a good season for a rookie it was like you said not wow. I also want to give Andersson more time as well. But this season definitely in the write direction even if there were some bad games, and just not a winning season.

Namestnikov and Strome. In fact, you can throw Zibanejad into the same conversation with those two.

1)Yeah they worked hard. And the teams that didn't work hard will get Hughes and Kakko. I totally get where you're coming from, but again, there's zero justice in this sport. Nobody cares if you work for something. The NHL is not a meritocracy.

2)Sure, I'll give you Buchnevich, ADA, and Georgiev, but are any of those players part of the finished product?

3)Proud? Nah. There's nothing really to be proud of here. Hard work shouldn't make you proud, hard work should be prerequisite to existing in this league.

They're the worst team in the NHL.

They’re not the worst team in the NHL. Last I had looked, they’d played more 1 goal games than anyone else in the league. The worst teams in the league finished below us in the standings because they didn’t keep as many games close.

But then again, this is why I’m generally a happier fan than you are. (No judgment either way on that)

 

[Mikos87]

Bruins had a rookie Seguin.

Who was a healthy scratch for most of those playoffs, except when he erupted for a bunch of points in the ECF to push BOS over the top against Tampa

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

1)Yeah they worked hard. And the teams that didn't work hard will get Hughes and Kakko. I totally get where you're coming from, but again, there's zero justice in this sport. Nobody cares if you work for something. The NHL is not a meritocracy.

2)Sure, I'll give you Buchnevich, ADA, and Georgiev, but are any of those players part of the finished product?

3)Proud? Nah. There's nothing really to be proud of here. Hard work shouldn't make you proud, hard work should be prerequisite to existing in this league.

They're the worst team in the NHL.

Casual fans don't get this. They're excited about a win that gets us nothing.

This whole "They worked hard" nonsense annoys me as well. As if other teams don't work hard. It's BS. Every player in the NHL works hard, otherwise they aren't in the NHL.

We will pick 8th overall, go with a guy who will top out as a middle-6 forward and 2-3 years from now we have to hear how we never have a top pick in the draft, from the same people who are happy with these meaningless wins

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

See edit.

Yup. Saw that after posting haha

 

[Machinehead]

They’re not the worst team in the NHL. Last I had looked, they’d played more 1 goal games than anyone else in the league. The worst teams in the league finished below us in the standings because they didn’t keep as many games close.

But then again, this is why I’m generally a happier fan than you are. (No judgment either way on that)

I'm a very happy fan...with every other team I root for.

 

[Irishguy42]

Casual fans don't get this. They're excited about a win that gets us nothing.

This whole "They worked hard" nonsense annoys me as well. As if other teams don't work hard. It's BS. Every player in the NHL works hard, otherwise they aren't in the NHL.

We will pick 8th overall, go with a guy who will top out as a middle-6 forward and 2-3 years from now we have to hear how we never have a top pick in the draft, from the same people who are happy with these meaningless wins

 

[AlternateSideParking]

And then when those vets roll over and croak, they'll have three franchise talents in their prime.

By then the Rangers should be back to being a good team. Law of averages, even for this franchise, says two or three of their prospects will pan out and carry them.

 

[SML2]

I never had an ounce of faith in us coming up big in the lottery. Fully expecting us to drop 3 spots. So in my mind, we are picking 10th already. Anything else is gravy. Positive note, the Winnipeg puck looks like it's moved up to 20th. That's not a terrible pick. You could add to it and find yourself at the 13-17 range. The team has heart and they're hard headed. You could do much worse.

 

[Machinehead]

Casual fans don't get this. They're excited about a win that gets us nothing.

This whole "They worked hard" nonsense annoys me as well. As if other teams don't work hard. It's BS. Every player in the NHL works hard, otherwise they aren't in the NHL.

We will pick 8th overall, go with a guy who will top out as a middle-6 forward and 2-3 years from now we have to hear how we never have a top pick in the draft, from the same people who are happy with these meaningless wins

I'm tying to get my dad on board, and he's getting there. He's one of these old school Original 6 types. You never tank.

He roots for them to win every game like it's game 7 and then he bitches about "rooting for this team since 1951 and I got one Cup" and I say "well, why do you think that is?"

He's starting to think about it.

 

[Ghost of jas]

1)Yeah they worked hard. And the teams that didn't work hard will get Hughes and Kakko. I totally get where you're coming from, but again, there's zero justice in this sport. Nobody cares if you work for something. The NHL is not a meritocracy.

2)Sure, I'll give you Buchnevich, ADA, and Georgiev, but are any of those players part of the finished product?

3)Proud? Nah. There's nothing really to be proud of here. Hard work shouldn't make you proud, hard work should be prerequisite to existing in this league.

They're the worst team in the NHL.

I think ADA is, and Buchnevich could be. But, in typical fashion, the Rangers do what this franchise always has done in my lifetime, never truly been bad enough, and only one time being truly good enough. And, the GM did enough long-term damage to get it right that one time.

What we continually have to hope for is that with the possibilty of having as many as 11 1st round picks (12 if they trade Kreider) in four years allows them to add a lot of high end pieces...not just having one Zibanejad, but multiple player that can reach and exceed that level. That's what you're looking at in Winnipeg, and to a lesser extent Nashville and St. Louis.

 

[Machinehead]

By then the Rangers should be back to being a good team. Law of averages, even for this franchise, says two or three of their prospects will pan out and carry them.

I have no doubt that the Rangers are well on their way to becoming a very good team again.

But unless everything goes right for Miller, I don't see a legit elite-level talent anywhere in this organization. So when we become competitive, we'll have to buy elite talent that's 32 and getting paid like they're 22. The wheels on the bus go round and round.

 

[Tawnos]

Casual fans don't get this. They're excited about a win that gets us nothing.

This whole "They worked hard" nonsense annoys me as well. As if other teams don't work hard. It's BS. Every player in the NHL works hard, otherwise they aren't in the NHL.

We will pick 8th overall, go with a guy who will top out as a middle-6 forward and 2-3 years from now we have to hear how we never have a top pick in the draft, from the same people who are happy with these meaningless wins

*looks at post count* I didn’t realize that I’m a casual fan.

If you truly believe you’ve never seen a bad team mail it in, I question how much you’ve paid attention to this league. Hell, I question if you even paid attention to this team last season. Or to the Ottawa game last week.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm tying to get my dad on board, and he's getting there. He's one of these old school Original 6 types. You never tank.

He roots for them to win every game like it's game 7 and then he *****es about "rooting for this team since 1951 and I got one Cup" and I say "well, why do you think that is?"

He's starting to think about it.

Same here. My friends in Florida just don't get it. "But we can draft star players later in the draft" using the exceptions and trying to claim it's a valid strategy. It just doesn't work that way, and I am tired of explaining this.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

*looks at post count* I didn’t realize that I’m a casual fan.

If you truly believe you’ve never seen a bad team mail it in, I question how much you’ve paid attention to this league. Hell, I question if you even paid attention to this team last season. Or to the Ottawa game last week.

I wasn't talking about you.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Casual fans don't get this. They're excited about a win that gets us nothing.

This whole "They worked hard" nonsense annoys me as well. As if other teams don't work hard. It's BS. Every player in the NHL works hard, otherwise they aren't in the NHL.

We will pick 8th overall, go with a guy who will top out as a middle-6 forward and 2-3 years from now we have to hear how we never have a top pick in the draft, from the same people who are happy with these meaningless wins

You might as well have just called Nev out with this one lol.

They really, really, REALLY need to bottom out next year. None of this pride driven we don't want to ice a skeleton squad shit. Ice the skeleton squad.

 

[Tawnos]

I wasn't talking about you.

You were replying to a response to my post.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You were replying to a response to my post.

I was replying to the content of that post, and referring to casual fans based on that

 

[Machinehead]

I think ADA is, and Buchnevich could be. But, in typical fashion, the Rangers do what this franchise always has done in my lifetime, never truly been bad enough, and only one time being truly good enough. And, the GM did enough long-term damage to get it right that one time.

What we continually have to hope for is that with the possibilty of having as many as 11 1st round picks (12 if they trade Kreider) in four years allows them to add a lot of high end pieces...not just having one Zibanejad, but multiple player that can reach and exceed that level. That's what you're looking at in Winnipeg, and to a lesser extent Nashville and St. Louis.

We're terrible right now and I see us being terrible next year. What I'm hoping for is that for once in my lifetime we're not the unluckiest team in pro sports and 2019-20 runs its course the way it should. There's still that to hope for.

I just hope Gorton doesn't see next year as a year to begin improving. If everything goes right, maybe that's 20-21.

Next year, I couldn't give a shit if this team goes 4-78-0 (with all four wins coming against Washington).

 

[Leonardo87]

Namestnikov and Strome. In fact, you can throw Zibanejad into the same conversation with those two.

Oh yeah forgot about Strome, dude came out of nowhere. Mika is a good example also. He had a career season on a rebuilding team, that saw line-mates move on at the TDL.

 

[Tawnos]

You might as well have just called Nev out with this one lol.

They really, really, REALLY need to bottom out next year. None of this pride driven we don't want to ice a skeleton squad ****. Ice the skeleton squad.

If the team is truly that bad, they’ll be that bad. The coach and the players shouldn’t be tanking and mailing it in, but they might simply not have enough talent to win. If that’s the skeleton squad that Gorton provides to Quinn, fine. I still want to see them compete hard and not throw in the towel.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Casual fans don't get this. They're excited about a win that gets us nothing.

This whole "They worked hard" nonsense annoys me as well. As if other teams don't work hard. It's BS. Every player in the NHL works hard, otherwise they aren't in the NHL.

We will pick 8th overall, go with a guy who will top out as a middle-6 forward and 2-3 years from now we have to hear how we never have a top pick in the draft, from the same people who are happy with these meaningless wins

I am not a casual fan and have been watching this team since before you were born so don't be so damn smug. I was never on the tank brigade because I like my team to win and I'm not going to apologize for that either. I did in fact want them to lose these last few meaningless games because I would rather them finish 5th rather than 6th or 7th but it didn't happen, Oh well, not the end of the world. We may also pick top 5 too, we just don't know yet. Wherever we pick all is not lost with another year of multiple first rounders. The future is still bright.

 

[Machinehead]

Same here. My friends in Florida just don't get it. "But we can draft star players later in the draft" using the exceptions and trying to claim it's a valid strategy. It just doesn't work that way, and I am tired of explaining this.

Yeah, we could, but we probably won't.

People wanna play the odds of finding a Hart winner 169th or 420th overall, but they won't play the better odds of being 5th over being 7th.