Player Discussion: Noah Dobson

[PWJunior]

Recall the draft that year PW. There were 5 big D set to go early that draft. Dahlin, Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, and Dobson. Frankly I would have been happy if the Isles got any of them that year, but never imagined Dobson would be available at #11. They made a mistake I joke and picked him at 12. Sort like how Barzal fell to the Isles, we got another great one here.

I had lusted after Dobson since I started doing draft research that year, he was who I wanted desperately all year. Getting him was a dream come true for me.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I had lusted after Dobson since I started doing draft research that year, he was who I wanted desperately all year. Getting him was a dream come true for me.

Fun looking back to the moment Noah was drafted. Love the comments. First Mac, then Cosentino.



Noah Dobson on the rise in Cosentino’s top NHL prospects list - Sportsnet.ca

 

[doublechili]

Fun looking back to the moment Noah was drafted. Love the comments. First Mac, then Cosentino.



Noah Dobson on the rise in Cosentino’s top NHL prospects list - Sportsnet.ca

Great pick by Garth!

 

[boredmale]

Great pick by Garth!

Not really both Wahlstrom and Dobson were concussions top 10 picks that fell to us thanks to the rangers and Arizona going slightly off the board

You can create Snow for getting this pick in the Hamonic deal

 

[leeroggy]

Not really both Wahlstrom and Dobson were concussions top 10 picks that fell to us thanks to the rangers and Arizona going slightly off the board

You can create Snow for getting this pick in the Hamonic deal

Only a concussion can cause you not to say consensus . . .

 

[SI]

What a difference a couple of weeks makes! He is emerging and the way he looks out there we have ourselves a top flight RHD.

the kid’s arrived.

 

[Seph]

Not really both Wahlstrom and Dobson were concussions top 10 picks that fell to us thanks to the rangers and Arizona going slightly off the board

That and the fact that Snow had been canned as GM earlier that summer and these picks were made by Lou.

 

[boredmale]

That and the fact that Snow had been canned as GM earlier that summer and these picks were made by Lou.

Technically I do think it was still his scouting team that made the picks. That being said anybody with a basic knowledge of the draft at that time could have made those picks(although I guess one could have made a decent argument for Farabee who basically was a borderline top 10 pick)

 

[danteipp]

Technically I do think it was still his scouting team that made the picks. That being said anybody with a basic knowledge of the draft at that time could have made those picks(although I guess one could have made a decent argument for Farabee who basically was a borderline top 10 pick)

Totally agree.

Based on the Isles relatively good luck with later picks (typically made by the scouting team) vs. bad luck with first rounders (where the GM tends to have final say, insert puke emoji on Strome, Nino, MDC, JHS, etc.), the Isles issues weren't the scouting team, but Garth sticking his nose in and probably making the final call on first rounders.

We have all heard the rumors that the Isles were after Ryan Johansen and Leon Draisaitl in their respective drafts, but won a few meaningless games at the end of the season, got scummed in the draft and settled for pedestrian talents like Nino and MDC.

To me, that is where a bad GM can sink your team. Where they try to put a stamp on the early draft picks.

Same as the Giants GM, Dave sh!tb@g Gettleman selecting Barkley, Will Hernandez, Daniel Jones, Andrew Thomas (who I actually like), and Kadarius Toney over players like Quenton Nelson or Bradley Chubb (after trading down and adding premium draft picks), Nick Chubb, Josh Allen (Jags Edge not the Bills QB), Justin Herbert and either Parsons or Rashawn Slater.

A blind, deaf and slow-witted monkey should have been able to make the Barzal, Wahlstrom and Dobson picks, just like any moderately intelligent draftnik would have made the picks I highlighted for the NY Giants.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

Great pick by Garth!

Who?
The guy behind the Vanek trades?

 

[PWJunior]

I have been a bit surprised at how good Dobson's shot is, the kid can rip it. Obviously the OT winner is a prime example, but his game tying goal with 3 seconds left against Chicago was a snipe. While his slapshot isn't a rocket, he does a very nice job getting it on net and generating some rebounds with a low hard one. His goal against Buffalo was a nice shot that deflected off Subban's goalie stick so he got it on net and it had some mustard on it. Until this season he's had some flukey goals (especially his 1st NHL goal), but now he is burying it with authority. It's a good sign, he is also looking to shoot much more and that's another positive.

 

[doublechili]

Technically I do think it was still his scouting team that made the picks. That being said anybody with a basic knowledge of the draft at that time could have made those picks(although I guess one could have made a decent argument for Farabee who basically was a borderline top 10 pick)

My "Great pick by Garth" post was facetious, but it was based on posts in the past giving Snow some credit because of his scouting team and because Lou let him sit at the table. Lou was the GM. They were Lou's picks. Period.

And you don't think Garth was entirely capable of making an out of left field pick instead of taking Dobson or Wahlstrom?

 

[boredmale]

And you don't think Garth was entirely capable of making an out of left field pick instead of taking Dobson or Wahlstrom?

When Islanders had a high pick they generally seemed to make a "consensus pick". Nino was the top forward available in 2010, Strome while not the top player left in 2011 was considered in a group of 4 players to be selected 5(I would argue he was third behind Hamilton and Couturier), Reinhart was the Best defenseman/2nd Best Player(Forsburg) in 2012, Dal Colle was the best player left in 2014.

 

[MJF]

I have been a bit surprised at how good Dobson's shot is, the kid can rip it. Obviously the OT winner is a prime example, but his game tying goal with 3 seconds left against Chicago was a snipe. While his slapshot isn't a rocket, he does a very nice job getting it on net and generating some rebounds with a low hard one. His goal against Buffalo was a nice shot that deflected off Subban's goalie stick so he got it on net and it had some mustard on it. Until this season he's had some flukey goals (especially his 1st NHL goal), but now he is burying it with authority. It's a good sign, he is also looking to shoot much more and that's another positive.

It seems like those goals came on the rush. He's mobile and his shots are accurate. Keep feeding him the puck while he has some room to jump up on the play and he'll bury it.

 

[mm11]

I'm not ready to knuckle snap we have a 21 year old #1 RHD but the kid is looking good lately.

 

[doublechili]

When Islanders had a high pick they generally seemed to make a "consensus pick". Nino was the top forward available in 2010, Strome while not the top player left in 2011 was considered in a group of 4 players to be selected 5(I would argue he was third behind Hamilton and Couturier), Reinhart was the Best defenseman/2nd Best Player(Forsburg) in 2012, Dal Colle was the best player left in 2014.

I'd say out of that list Dal Colle was the only one who was the solid favorite for weeks going into the draft. Nino, Strome and Reinhart were all relatively late risers. They were "outsmart you" picks, which would've been more in line with, say, Ty Smith.

Anyway, we can't assume Snow would've taken Dobson/Wahlstrom. And plenty of other teams passed on them, so Lou gets the credit.

 

[PWJunior]

I'd say out of that list Dal Colle was the only one who was the solid favorite for weeks going into the draft. Nino, Strome and Reinhart were all relatively late risers. They were "outsmart you" picks, which would've been more in line with, say, Ty Smith.

Anyway, we can't assume Snow would've taken Dobson/Wahlstrom. And plenty of other teams passed on them, so Lou gets the credit.

Montreal reaching for their center need in Kotkaniemi, Arizona doing the same with Hayton, and the Rags drafting Krapshit were big reasons why Wahlstrom and Dobson fell to the Isles. While Hughes is a successful pick, he is the poster boy for the swift offensive mighty mites that can't defend and the league was lusting after those types so Chicago taking Boqvist helped also. The Oilers deciding on Bouchard was an underrated great move for the Isles. Things played out perfectly.

Dobson looks a lot like a young Pietrangelo out there these days, what a gargantuan steal at #12 overall for a top end RHD. That's a Barzal level heist. Crazy that lightning struck twice finding the two hardest assets to acquire in a #1C (a little bonus being a RH shot) and a #1RHD. Wahlstrom was the cherry on top.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

What a difference a couple of weeks makes! He is emerging and the way he looks out there we have ourselves a top flight RHD.

the kid’s arrived.

Fire up the main board thread! - "Noah Dobson has arrived"

 

[eoin92]

Fire up the main board thread! - "Noah Dobson has arrived"

Not bad, but you gotta come up with something crazy like “Noah Dobson has arrived and he IS the next Alex Pietrangelo” or “Noah Dobson has arrived, will his career take a Bobby Orr like path”

 

[leeroggy]

Fire up the main board thread! - "Noah Dobson has arrived"

Three weeks ago some posters here were ready to call him disappointing . . .

 

[leeroggy]

Not bad, but you gotta come up with something crazy like “Noah Dobson has arrived and he IS the next Alex Pietrangelo” or “Noah Dobson has arrived, will his career take a Bobby Orr like path”

How about "Noah Dobson taking the fast track to Hockey immortality . . ."

Next week's headline: "J-Lo posts picture of new man on her radar . . ."

 

[mm11]

Fire up the main board thread! - "Noah Dobson has arrived"

funny, years ago there was a "Chytil Mania" thread

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

What a difference a couple of weeks makes!

The door swings both ways.

 

[saintunspecified]

despite the success, he still doesn't seem natural to me as a PP quarterback. he's servicable - not unlike Leddy.

still, he is continuing to show the ability to get the puck out of the defensive zone with control, when he gets control. and imo if that's really the only exceptional quality that he maintains for his career, that's enough. if his board work and positioning improve to being well above average, he'll be a perennial 40+ point player, top pairing D. maybe not a weber or josi, but maybe a suter.

the player who is looking like a natural PP QB ... and i can't believe I'm saying this, is Keiffer Bellows.

 

[MJF]

the player who is looking like a natural PP QB ... and i can't believe I'm saying this, is Keiffer Bellows.

I don't see that at all. Bellows I don't see as the distributor. What I see from Bellows is that he can be the right side answer on the power play to Anders Lee, only with a better shot. Bellows looks like he will be able to score on the power play from a little further out to the circles than Lee can.