Confirmed Trade: [NJD/CGY] Jacob Markstrom for Kevin Bahl, 2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected); Flames retain 31.25%

[Double Dion]

Wouldn't hate him as well, the LD will get figured out. It's just how much they believe in Siegenthalar to play those top 4 mins with Dougie again or they bring someone else to play with Hamliton and push Siegs to the 3LD. Zadorov Hamliton would be such a goofy ass and chaotic pairing, I'm sure we wouldn't have to tell Flames fans that.

I'm a fan of both.

Take it easy.

I've seen some of the best players ever as kids. Landon Dupont if his development continues will be better than Bobby Orr, Ray Bourque, Nick Lidstrom. I really mean it. He's the best player his age I've ever seen period and way better than Makar was at the same age and Makar was really good too.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

its not

but a number of flames fans were insistent they could get #7 or #10 and there would be a huge bidding war

I never thought they could get 10 for Markstrom, but if you’re willing to trade that pick, like, who else do you want?

Andersson? Weegar? Coleman? Coronato?

like, let’s make a deal, come on.

 

[Scintillating10]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803465537164583365

Flames never got much for Markstom. That's going to be late pick. Dougie Hamilton be back next year plus adding Markstom. Then if Jersey deals 10th? Big improvement.

Markstom and Allen should give them solid duo in net. Allen decent backup.

 

[Lunatik]

Ok someone explain it to me like I'm a Leafs fan.

Who owns next year's Florida or Flames pick?

I thought that somehow some way the Habs had the Flames pick and the Flames the Florida pick next year but that might be wrong.

So someone, explain what's up there

Short version.

• If Calgary finishes with a top 10 pick and Florida does not, Montreal gets Florida's pick (this is most likely).
• If neither Calgary nor Florida's picks are top 10, Montreal gets the better of the 2 picks.
• If both Florida and Calgary's picks are top 10, the Panthers keep their pick, and the Flames pick transfers to Montreal (unless it is #1 OA)

Dude said Markstrom struggled because he had a newborn like it’s normal for goalie to struggle when they had babies

My point was distractions, even the slightest one can make a goalies numbers suck because the difference between good and bad is razor thin. But you knew what I meant and just like to shit on the flames and their players every chance you get, like you have the past 2+ decades

 

[Volica]

Maybe if he stops doing braindead pinches and stops taking unnecessary penalties. Otherwise, I doubt it.

To be fair.
The last big idiot this team brought in apparently is now looking for more than a 6x6.

 

[SKNJD9]

Flames never got much for Markstom. That's going to be late pick. Dougie Hamilton be back next year plus adding Markstom. Then if Jersey deals 10th? Big improvement.

Markstom and Allen should give them solid duo in net. Allen decent backup.

I imagine 10 will be used for immediate help either a top 6 RW with term or a top 4 D with term. I expect a depth D and F added in UFA as well.

Fitzy has talked a bunch about adding depth and a bit of "violence" to the lineup.

If he hits it will be an interesting roster for sure

 

[bigd]

Those 500 minutes Bahl played with Marino were pretty much first pairing minutes against opposition best lines.

And that's one of the reasons we sucked last season. They aren't first pairing D-men.

 

[JimEIV]

And that's one of the reasons we sucked last season. They aren't first pairing D-men.

Every single Dman on our team was tasked with unreasonable asks in my opinion.

Luke played too much, Nemec played too much, Smith played to much, Bahl played too much

Siegenthaler had two injuries and was never right...

Marino had to be paired with children all season to face teams top lines and he really wasn't up to being an anchor Dman...we basically asked the guy to be a #1 and cover for his partner all season...but his pair wss the best defensively when Bahl was on it.

Our defense was a mess all year...and what made everything so much worse is our forwards liked to leave the Dzone early and weren't all that interested in Defense or even providing support to a crippled defense.

I'm not sure I would single Bahl out for anything negative or as a reason for the failure. It was a good team effort.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Every single Dman on our team was tasked with unreasonable asks in my opinion.

Luke played too much, Nemec played too much, Smith played to much, Bahl played too much

Siegenthaler had two injuries and was never right...

Marino had to be paired with children all season to face teams top lines and he really wasn't up to being an anchor Dman...we basically asked the guy to be a #1 and cover for his partner all season...but his pair wss the best defensively when Bahl was on it.

Our defense was a mess all year...and what made everything so much worse is our forwards liked to leave the Dzone early and weren't all that interested in Defense or even providing support to a crippled defense.

I'm not sure I would single Bahl out for anything negative or as a reason for the failure. It was a good team effort.

Exactly. In retrospect both Luke and Nemec should have been in Utica where they could have worked on their complete games (specifically the defensive part of the game - including PK) instead of just getting the cookies.

But that doesn't sell apparel or generate "buzz".

 

[Scintillating10]

I imagine 10 will be used for immediate help either a top 6 RW with term or a top 4 D with term. I expect a depth D and F added in UFA as well.

Fitzy has talked a bunch about adding depth and a bit of "violence" to the lineup.

If he hits it will be an interesting roster for sure

Jersey going to be top team next year

 

[JimEIV]

Exactly. In retrospect both Luke and Nemec should have been in Utica where they could have worked on their complete games (specifically the defensive part of the game - including PK) instead of just getting the cookies.

But that doesn't sell apparel or generate "buzz".

I don't think Luke and Nemec should of been in the minors. But had we been more healthy they wouldn't have been relied so heavily. Luke was going to be starter no matter what and Nemec probably would've gotten anywhere between 15 and 30 games, maybe more, if we stayed relatively healthy.

I mean you have these extremely talented kids that needed to get NHL reps.... I just wish it was done in a more controlled manner. But injuries to Miller before the season even started, losing Dougie for basically the whole year, and Siegenthaler's broken foot and concussion really threw a monkey wrench into everything.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

I can't even begin to understand the mechanics of a guy playing the 6th most minutes among defenseman on a team, and having fans that never watched a minute of those games dying on the hill that he's actually one of that team's top-4 d-man. Incredibly weird.

Because with the Devils the name on the back of the jersey is more important than the name on the front.

 

[dgibb10]

Bahl isn't going to be much but Holtz ain't it either. Doesn't bring much other than a shot and gets pushed off the puck easily.



the full delulu

You could offer me 2 kevin bahls and 2 of NJDs 2025 1sts for 10th overall and it might be about even.

And so markstrom with 4 mill in total retention got about half of what Schneider got. Take away that retention, and what do you know.

Markstrom unretained's value was closer to 0 than it was to 10th overall.

 

[dgibb10]

Exactly. In retrospect both Luke and Nemec should have been in Utica where they could have worked on their complete games (specifically the defensive part of the game - including PK) instead of just getting the cookies.

But that doesn't sell apparel or generate "buzz".

Yeah I'm sure bringing up Hatakka and Misyul was the solution.


NJD could have saved their season with a dcore of

Kevin Bahl-JOhn marino
Jonas Siegenthaler-Brendan Smith
Santeri Hatakka-Daniel Misyul.

NHL experience is valuable. Both Luke and Nemec are FAR too good for the AHL.

 

[Scintillating10]

Flames going to have it tough next 7-8 years. They have 3 huge contracts that is not going to age well. They should do totally tear down. Bank a few Hagens type picks

 

[Double Dion]

Flames going to have it tough next 7-8 years. They have 3 huge contracts that is not going to age well. They should do totally tear down. Bank a few Hagens type picks

We have Huberdeau. Kadri is probably movable. Weegar would have a line up out the door. The Huberdeau one is the only one that is bad. Wait it out while we rebuild and hopefully he goes ltir at some point. Maybe develop an equipment allergy like a certain Chicago winger.

 

[Bounces R Way]

You could offer me 2 kevin bahls and 2 of NJDs 2025 1sts for 10th overall and it might be about even.

And so markstrom with 4 mill in total retention got about half of what Schneider got. Take away that retention, and what do you know.

Markstrom unretained's value was closer to 0 than it was to 10th overall.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself I guess
That NJD 2025 pick could be 11th overall for all we know.

You spent months posting that he wasn't worth anything, and now that it turns out he actually is worth something according to you it's only the retention that was worth anything. But yeah sure, basically future considerations

 

[Forge]

Every single Dman on our team was tasked with unreasonable asks in my opinion.

Luke played too much, Nemec played too much, Smith played to much, Bahl played too much

Siegenthaler had two injuries and was never right...

Marino had to be paired with children all season to face teams top lines and he really wasn't up to being an anchor Dman...we basically asked the guy to be a #1 and cover for his partner all season...but his pair wss the best defensively when Bahl was on it.

Our defense was a mess all year...and what made everything so much worse is our forwards liked to leave the Dzone early and weren't all that interested in Defense or even providing support to a crippled defense.

I'm not sure I would single Bahl out for anything negative or as a reason for the failure. It was a good team effort.

Jim....this is legitimately a good post

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself I guess
That NJD 2025 pick could be 11th overall for all we know.

You spent months posting that he wasn't worth anything, and now that it turns out he actually is worth something according to you it's only the retention that was worth anything. But yeah sure, basically future considerations

I don't know how many times I read that Markstrom is 100% not getting a 1st

 

[BostonBob]

I don't know how many times I read that Markstrom is 100% not getting a 1st

I'll bet it's not nearly as much as Bruin fans are hearing about Ullmark.

 

[Xirik]

I don't know how many times I read that Markstrom is 100% not getting a 1st

Nice try. But it always was "That Markstrom isn't going to get a 2024 1st".

Guess Devils fans were right and by the way you asked for way more then 2024 1st

If anyone should be ashamed and embarrassed it should be you.

 

[Double Dion]

Nice try. But it always was "That Markstrom isn't going to get a 2024 1st".

Guess Devils fans were right and by the way you asked for way more then 2024 1st

If anyone should be ashamed and embarrassed it should be you.

I said it would be the 2025 1st and a prospect. The only Devils fan I saw that agreed with my assessment was Forge.

 

[tmg]

i didn’t expect there to be a 2025 first involved _and the trade to happen before the 2024 draft_

This is part of what made this seem weird to me. If the Devils weren’t under pressure to make a move involving a 2024 pick (which of course would have to be done before the 2024 draft) … I expected them to wait until after July 1, when they could compare what they’d have to give for Markstrom to what they would have to give for an extension-in-place Ullmark or for an extension-in-place Saros.

In my head it was “if they make a deal before the 2024 draft they’ll be giving up #10 in a huge deal with multiple relevant pieces; if they don’t make a deal before the 2024 draft they’ll be summer shopping for goalies with extensions and offering the 2025.”

That’s where this trade caught me off guard. If it was the 2025 in play there was no urgency to do it before this draft.

 

[Forge]

i didn’t expect there to be a 2025 first involved _and the trade to happen before the 2024 draft_

This is part of what made this seem weird to me. If the Devils weren’t under pressure to make a move involving a 2024 pick (which of course would have to be done before the 2024 draft) … I expected them to wait until after July 1, when they could compare what they’d have to give for Markstrom to what they would have to give for an extension-in-place Ullmark or for an extension-in-place Saros.

In my head it was “if they make a deal before the 2024 draft they’ll be giving up #10 in a huge deal with multiple relevant pieces; if they don’t make a deal before the 2024 draft they’ll be summer shopping for goalies with extensions and offering the 2025.”

That’s where this trade caught me off guard. If it was the 2025 in play there was no urgency to do it before this draft.

I think there's a reasonable chance that they didn't want to be tied to either of those guys long term.

 

[Double Dion]

I think there's a reasonable chance that they didn't want to be tied to either of those guys long term.

I think Saros was never really available too. Ullmark has never played a starters work load. You guys and Markstrom will be a great fit. Markstrom is good at high dangers and behind chaos. The odd softie goes in though, but he'll cover up a lot of defensive mistakes. Ullmark I think is less softies, but not as good at the high dangers.