Nils Lundkvist vs Zac Jones

[Elliman]

Send Nemeth and Tinder-man down.

Libor as the 7th d-man

Jones & Nils both deserve to start imo.

 

[n8]

technically we can send KAM to Hartford, right? Jones should stay up if he's had the better camp.
If he's playing mediocre, let him find his game again (and fire under his ass) riding the bus.
Call him up when there's an injury or when he gets his game back to where it needs to be.

Lindgren-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundkvist
Tinordi

 

[chosen]

Who can skate and stickhandle.

It has everything to do with the fundamental tools of playing a defenseman are there, the things he needs to work on is positioning, and adding some edge to his game.

I get that people are on the "shit on miller train" but just saying he's big is really underselling it.

I don't think he's much of a stickhandler and his skating can be fast, but it's not quick, and his changing of direction is slow.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't think he's much of a stickhandler and his skating can be fast, but it's not quick, and his changing of direction is slow.

His change of direction is absolutely not slow.
The clip where he mirrored Crosby behind the net shows off excellent edge work.
Crosby is an absolute master at doing that to defensemen and losing them, and while that was a single clip it shows what he can do.

 

[chosen]

His change of direction is absolutely not slow.
The clip where he mirrored Crosby behind the net shows off excellent edge work.
Crosby is an absolute master at doing that to defensemen and losing them, and while that was a single clip it shows what he can do.

I've seen him more than a couple of times react slowly to a change of direction in the play, but maybe I'm being hypercritical. I guess we'll see.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I've seen him more than a couple of times react slowly to a change of direction in the play, I'm being hypercritical and ignoring the positive moments. I guess we'll see.

fix'd for clarity

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Send Nemeth and Tinder-man down.

Libor as the 7th d-man

Jones & Nils both deserve to start imo.

Hájek

I thought we finally moved on from the Michael Kostkas, Jeff Woywitkas, Stu Bickels etc. But we're still stuck with this one unfortunately. I under understood why they signed him with the abundance of defensemen under contract already. I'd say he won't get claimed but Geertsen was so who the f*** knows, at this point.

I honestly believe that if he wasn't part of the McDonagh trade, they would have moved on from him already.

 

[bernmeister]

I really don't see why OTT would do that but okay.

I think the trade we could all see coming is a D-man to LAK for a center. Whether that's Miller, Lundkvist, Jones, Schneider, Reunanen or Robertson... Who knows. Some of these names will not even be on the table. But yeah, they have a bunch of young centers that would be a good fit here. Thomas, Anderson-Dolan, Madden, Turcotte, Vilardi, Kupari... Definitely a lot of possible scenarios here for either team.

OTT would not do it close to 1:1 but IF the correct add can swing the deal, it could be a winner for them as well.

Just spitballin on this one but
KAM + Strome + NYR 1st
for
Sanderson

Sens get Miller who plays now and further develops here in the N, as opposed to waiting for Sanderson to get here.

Strome is from TOR and would likely give leafs reasonable discount if term is ok.
Strome + Sens 3rd for Leafs 1st

And they stockpile our 1st.

KAM is worth a 1st +

That's like 3 1sts + for Sanderson

=================

I also see the LAK variation.
I am leaning toward Villardi
but
I'm not sure that's the best way to go.
___________

Extend Zib 4-5 yrs at 10.5 but no NMC

Zib Rangers eat 1.5 to SEA who eats 1m per and flips him to LA
cost to LA = 8 per

Villardi + Turcotte? + to SEA
also Reunanen + Hajek + Geo

Beniers + a SEA pick to Rangers

----------
If we could do both those deals, then convince Trouba to go TB for Stamkos + Bolts 1st, and we are in like Flynn

Personally, and I know they won't do it, I would send Miller down and play Nils and Jones. Both have seemed better defensively. My initial big concern was if Miller would be a big guy that was soft. However, to his credit, he has showed some snarl recently, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I still think he would benefit from time in the AHL. His defensive game seems to have regressed since the first half of last season. Ultimately, I don't know if there is a clear answer and it is a nice problem to have.

If we are planning to trade one of Jones/Nils and KAM is mature/doesn't regress, then that could make sense.

The counterpoint is we need the physical aspect KAM has now, so one of the guys who can be sent down has to go.

 

[bernmeister]

Hájek

I thought we finally moved on from the Michael Kostkas, Jeff Woywitkas, Stu Bickels etc. But we're still stuck with this one unfortunately. I under understood why they signed him with the abundance of defensemen under contract already. I'd say he won't get claimed but Geertsen was so who the f*** knows, at this point.

I honestly believe that if he wasn't part of the McDonagh trade, they would have moved on from him already.

It is horrible how after he looked so good 5 games, his shoulder gets injured, and they have been unable to get him back on track.

I don't mind paying a premium for something, but to lose value w/out good reason irks the shit out of me.

Howev, if they push him thru waivers, watch, he'll get claimed, and revert to high end form after a couple of months to work it out.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Hájek

I thought we finally moved on from the Michael Kostkas, Jeff Woywitkas, Stu Bickels etc. But we're still stuck with this one unfortunately. I under understood why they signed him with the abundance of defensemen under contract already. I'd say he won't get claimed but Geertsen was so who the f*** knows, at this point.

I honestly believe that if he wasn't part of the McDonagh trade, they would have moved on from him already.

He's a cost-controlled #7 defenseman. Not sure why we'd get rid of him or put anyone else in that position other than someone we don't expect to improve much. He's perfectly serviceable as a #7 guy seeing spot duty.

Are you suggesting you want a better player run that #7 spot? Why? What purpose does that serve?

 

[Kocur Dill]

I really don't see why OTT would do that but okay.

I think the trade we could all see coming is a D-man to LAK for a center. Whether that's Miller, Lundkvist, Jones, Schneider, Reunanen or Robertson... Who knows. Some of these names will not even be on the table. But yeah, they have a bunch of young centers that would be a good fit here. Thomas, Anderson-Dolan, Madden, Turcotte, Vilardi, Kupari... Definitely a lot of possible scenarios here for either team.

reading a current Kings thread, Vilardi seems like the odd man out and he and Turcotte both have injury concerns. The topic is being discussed because of Denault. Who is worth keeping as a wing, and who is expendable? Byfield is rightfully out of the equation, and Turcotte/Vilardi both have their warts.

Kings fans seem to think Turcotte is their guy in the same way we see chytil, a wing who can take draws in a pinch, with Vilardi as the weaker option. Im not sold on Vilardi for Miller at all and I'm not a "rose colored glasses" Miller supporter given our depth and options.

Agreed, Ott is NOT trading Sanderson. They hit gold with that kid. Anchor material.

 

[Fitzy]

Send Nemeth and Tinder-man down.

Libor as the 7th d-man

Jones & Nils both deserve to start imo.

I've seen takes on here you folks wouldn't believe.

 

[chosen]

fix'd for clarity

Should have realized what I was dealing with. So much for giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

reading a current Kings thread, Vilardi seems like the odd man out and he and Turcotte both have injury concerns. The topic is being discussed because of Denault. Who is worth keeping as a wing, and who is expendable? Byfield is rightfully out of the equation, and Turcotte/Vilardi both have their warts.

Kings fans seem to think Turcotte is their guy in the same way we see chytil, a wing who can take draws in a pinch, with Vilardi as the weaker option. Im not sold on Vilardi for Miller at all and I'm not a "rose colored glasses" Miller supporter given our depth and options.

Agreed, Ott is NOT trading Sanderson. They hit gold with that kid. Anchor material.

I love Sanderson so much.

Ottawa getting Sanderson and Stutzle in that draft is bonkers. They were my 2 and 3.

 

[egelband]

At the conclusion of camp, if there is no clear winner, Gallant will have the two of them play a game of rock, scissors, paper for the spot.

My people tell me Jones won his summer camp RSP tourney four straight years.
And Nils still thinks ‘rock goes right through paper, no?’

 

[RonaldNeptune]

I see this for the next 2 years and I can’t wait to watch it unfold

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Nemeth Lundkvist
Jones Schneider

HM
Robertson
Reunanen

 

[will1066]

My people tell me Jones won his summer camp RSP tourney four straight years.
And Nils still thinks ‘rock goes right through paper, no?’

Jones is smart and can guess what his opponent is thinking in RSP. It's not even fair.

 

[egelband]

Jones is smart and knows what his opponent is thinking in RSP. It's not even fair.

Fixed it for you

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I see this for the next 2 years and I can’t wait to watch it unfold

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Nemeth Lundkvist
Jones Schneider

HM
Robertson
Reunanen

It's wild how Jones has surpassed Robertson this quickly.

 

[chosen]

It's wild how Jones has surpassed Robertson this quickly.

Not to mention Miller.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not to mention Miller.

That's European bias

 

[eco's bones]

He's a cost-controlled #7 defenseman. Not sure why we'd get rid of him or put anyone else in that position other than someone we don't expect to improve much. He's perfectly serviceable as a #7 guy seeing spot duty.

Are you suggesting you want a better player run that #7 spot? Why? What purpose does that serve?

The battle for 5D is between Nils and Zac and that could go either way for me. 7D is between Hajek and Tinordi and I like tough hockey but I would absolutely go with Libor over Tinordi. Just steadier on his feet, better positionally, better first pass. I also think there is value moving Hajek and hardly any moving Tinordi.

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers don’t need three smallish offensive D in their lineup. We’re not going to average 20 minutes of power play time a game. To add Gallant has already stated that he would like to wean Fox from some of his penalty kill time. You can figure that Nils and maybe even Zac are going to be used sparingly at least for some time on the penalty kill. Nemeth is an important player in the Rangers scheme of things this year.

Let’s also just say when we’re talking about this thing ‘merit’ that the Rangers have put both Nils and Zac in the spotlight—only played Fox once—because they want to see which of them can handle certain situations best—specifically offensive situations so it might look like these two were better than others but they both got opportunities that the others didn’t get.

 

[jay from jersey]

reading a current Kings thread, Vilardi seems like the odd man out and he and Turcotte both have injury concerns. The topic is being discussed because of Denault. Who is worth keeping as a wing, and who is expendable? Byfield is rightfully out of the equation, and Turcotte/Vilardi both have their warts.

Kings fans seem to think Turcotte is their guy in the same way we see chytil, a wing who can take draws in a pinch, with Vilardi as the weaker option. Im not sold on Vilardi for Miller at all and I'm not a "rose colored glasses" Miller supporter given our depth and options.

Agreed, Ott is NOT trading Sanderson. They hit gold with that kid. Anchor material.

Yea OTT is really stocking the cupboard. Not only did they hit a grand slam getting Sanderson/Stutzle in that draft, but Zub has turned into a physical steady top 4 D in the mold of Cernak. They weren’t expecting that, at least not as fast. They also have Chabot signed to a fair deal and Pinto looking like a legit 2/3 C option. Dorian has done well drafting for sure.
The only real problem there is getting Tkachuk to extend long term and buy in. But both Pinto and Norris look good. They aren’t far away from competing if they can get all their guys signed and actually pay to keep their talent in house.
They are facing a similar problem to us on their blue line, they have too many guys coming on in the same time frame. It’s to the point there, where Brannstrom, who hasn’t looked bad is likely going to be trade bait.

 

[ponytrekker]

If that's the case he should preferably play another year in the SHL instead and hone his strengths further.

His contract doesn't have an SHL out clause.