Nils Lundkvist vs Zac Jones

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Trouba Miller pairing just isn't working this preseason. Trouba has really struggled when he gets the puck in his own zone with any sort of pressure. It's been really alarming. Especially so when you consider that he's supposed to be the "rock" on that pairing to help Miller along.

They're just not in sync or providing enough support to each other.

Miller-Trouba was miles better last night than their first game. I still think Jones has been better than Miller but it doesn't really matter. Miller is starting.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Miller has been atrocious the entire camp. Looks lost out there. Not assertive, just a passenger. Not sure whats up with him, but its hard for me to just send him down given his overall play last season.

You want to give young players some rope to find their game again. And i dont think its too different with Laf either. He hasnt been bad per se, but maybe it just takes him a while to get going?

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Jones assigned to Hartford

/thread

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Damn, they didn't even give Jones a chance in the last game?

I wouldnt be happy about that given the way he performed

 

[CLW]

His performances have been noted no doubt, but in-house hockey politics came in the way. Miller and Nils were anointed from the start, management platitudes notwithstanding.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I really don't understand the issue. Makes Hartford better and I would like to the Pack do something this year.

 

[frozenrubber]

His performances have been noted no doubt, but in-house hockey politics came in the way. Miller and Nils were anointed from the start, management platitudes notwithstanding.

There is no palace intrigue.

The Rangers are VERY lucky to have two highly regarded, first round draft picks that were drafted 1 year earlier than Zac Jones in Miller/Lundqvist. Giving them the shot before Jones is fine and this is a really nice prospect predicament to have.

 

[Kaapodonna]

 

[NYSPORTS]

There is no palace intrigue.

The Rangers are VERY lucky to have two highly regarded, first round draft picks that were drafted 1 year earlier than Zac Jones in Miller/Lundqvist. Giving them the shot before Jones is fine and this is a really nice prospect predicament to have.

if Jones was any less of a prospect he would have been sent to Hartford much earlier. Great this was a tough decision rather than easy.

 

[cwede]

I am glad the D kids in Hartford will be coached by Steve Smith
He could probably also be helpful for Nils and KAM

 

[a tribe cq]

smh, Jones deserves the spot over Miller, Nils and Trouba frankly.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

smh, Jones deserves the spot over Miller, Nils and Trouba frankly.

He does, but only one of those plays in his position.

 

[will1066]

Lundkvist Wins. Flawless Victory.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So I guess Lundkvist wins the Lars-Erik Sjöberg award?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Fox to Byfield? Do you mean, Schneider to Byfield?

it really can't be measured that way. Trading Fox for Byfield would probably be the dumbest move this team has ever made. At least at first. Lundkvist for Turcotte? Maybe?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

EP released this video on Nils Lundkvist. Interesting to watch as they go over his strengths and weaknesses with actual footage to show what to look for.

I really like these videos and hope EP keeps doing these.

Nils (strong Swedish accent) Loondqvist is about as obnoxious as it gets.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nils (strong Swedish accent) Loondqvist is about as obnoxious as it gets.

It's also correct.

 

[pld459666]

Don't agree with it, but I think both represented themselves well.

I think Zach played better, thats my opinion, but life goes on.

Congrats to Nils. Good luck.

 

[Slurpeelover27]

Lundkvist Wins. Flawless Victory.

He played so well coach couldn’t even remember the other guys name.

 

[RonaldNeptune]

It's wild how Jones has surpassed Robertson this quickly.

his poise and iq really stand out. His passing reminds me of Fox, the “sixth sense” and seeing the play develop ahead of his peers can’t be taught. He’s Not quite on fox’s level of course so I do have concerns about handling an 82 game season and staying healthy.

 

[RonaldNeptune]

You mean you don't think Jones has surpassed Robertson? Even though Robertson is still "too green"? I think it's fairly clear that Jones is currently better than Robertson, but also has a higher potential as a 2 way Dman than Robertson. Robertson seems like a perfect candidate for a future 3rd pair guy. Someone who is defensively terrific and dependable but won't wow you with anything in particular. He's got a higher defensive potential than Miller IMO, but is still likely a 3rd pairing guy for this Ranger team considering the other players we have. And Jones is no slouch defensively.

Size can be important, it certainly has its place. But in the big scheme of things, size is probably at the tail end of the trait/attribute value chart. Which people have a tendency to overvalue. Like with Miller. Sure Miller has the size, but what good is it if he doesn't utilize that size to its max? I would rather have someone like Lindgren, who at 6' is a far better defender and a far more physical player even though he doesn't quite have that size.

Anyway, in the long run, it really appears to me that Schneider, probably along with Lindgren, are going to be our two main shut down guys. Schneider has all the makings of a top defensive dman and he has some offensive game also, which is why I actually think he's the only real untouchable young Dmen after Fox and Lindgren. Yup, ahead of Lundkvist, Jones, Miller and Robertson, long term. Because he has that size, which he utilizes, has shut down potential and some offensive ability. Think he is destined to be the eventual 2RD behind Fox for the long term. While Robertson has a bottom pair or middle pair ceiling at best. Jones on the other hand, does have top pairing and PP ceiling, quite similar to Lundkvist but as a LD.

curveball, milller progresses, Jones is the real deal, Robertson is knocking on the door….do we move lindgren and maximize his value if he maintains the same level of play for the next year and a half. I love the guy but navigating the cap and keeping the cupboard full are bug factors too…he’s a bargain if he keeps it up what will his next contract look like.

 

[chosen]

smh, Jones deserves the spot over Miller, Nils and Trouba frankly.

A common statement about the best athletes is that they process quicker and more accurately, so the game is slower and calmer in their brains. Fox obviously has this. Jones will almost definitely not be Fox, but he has the same traits as Fox.

 

[cd211]

Let Jones dominate the A, and before you know it, the team will have no choice but recall him..

 

[egelband]

Let Jones dominate the A, and before you know it, the team will have no choice but recall him..

Yep. There’s hardly ever a need to rush these things. It’ll all work itself out.

 

[jay from jersey]

There is no palace intrigue.

The Rangers are VERY lucky to have two highly regarded, first round draft picks that were drafted 1 year earlier than Zac Jones in Miller/Lundqvist. Giving them the shot before Jones is fine and this is a really nice prospect predicament to have.

i think it’s absolutely the right decision.
As you mentioned it’s good precisely, and it also doesn’t piss Lundkvist off and want to make him go back to Sweden.
I think we’re watching the same situation with Schneider. They love what they’ve seen, and he can conceivably play, but odds are he break is next season on 3rd pair as a full time NHL player like Lundkvist is doing now.
If Jones Schneider looked head and shoulder above Nils, it would be a different story. It’s just not the case atm.