Confirmed with Link: Nikita Tryamkin returns to the KHL (signs 3-year deal with Avtomobilist)

[ginner classic]

It's the same hill they died on with Zack Kassian. Trying to get him to play like some prototype they had in their heads because of his size when he has good talents like his passing and offensive vision. Somebody already discussed why the Pronger style isn't going to work in today's NHL but to further the point why would you not allow him to be the player that suits his personality? I don't see them forcing Edler to watch tape of Pronger, or Sutter to watch tape of literally anyone because he is the softest player in the league. I get it, he's a young guy, but that doesn't erase the fact that these guys have a bias for what they want from guys with size and it isn't skill.

It's entirely relevant. At the end of the day, he chose he doesn't want to play in the NHL. He came over here, meaning he was willing to give it a try. As with most things in life, you're out to lunch if you think the only reason he left was because of playing time under a fired coach.

Things management should have been doing in this situation to ensure he extended include: help him acclimatize to NA life outside the rink; help his wife acclimatize to NA life; regularly check in to make sure his state of mind was in the right place WRT living here; regularly check in to make sure there were no misunderstandings between him and the coaching staff WRT his role on the team; honour the terms of the contract WRT AHL reassignment requests (if they simply suggested it, then the next item is what is most important); refrain from making public comments that turn the city against him; ensure that he knew he was a valuable piece of the team moving forward and that the coach knew and treated him as such; proactively replace a coach (who they were planning to fire anyways) that has a negative impact on young players; ensure that he and his wife are able to cope with any homesickness

They may very well have done some of these (some of them they obviously didn't) but you asked for the relevance and that's it right there. This was a player that they needed to convince to come here from a situation that he was satisfied with (KHL). The fact is that he came over, gave it a try, and obviously wasn't happy with it. You can't blame the player for being unhappy. If you wan't to say **** it it's just a 3rd rounder that's fine too, but that's not the way to run a business. This guy has potential, and they should have been doing everything they could to make sure that he was happy here.

You think Linden of all people would understand that you don't just assume that because a player is big that he has to play a certain way.

 

[xtr3m]

You think Linden of all people would understand that you don't just assume that because a player is big that he has to play a certain way.

You'd think at least a Linden-run team won't be so tone deaf and try to fit a square peg into a round hole time after time after time. The only players that stick here are either overpaid to do so or have nowhere else to go.

 

[alternate]

The kid was homesick, he went home. End of story, really. Big blow to the nuts though. Hope he comes back in a year or two, or we can at least recoup a pick for his rights. But I agree with the poster above who said if he wasn't willing to earn his place, he probably doesn't have the drive to reach the ceiling many of us feel he has.

Will say Benning should have brought in a veteran Russian during the offseason. Seemed like an obvious move to me and I was surprised he didn't do it.

 

[AstoriaIceNinja]

This seems like the kind of situation where a management team as inept as Vancouver's would be so disgusted with Tryamkin that they deal his rights to a traditionally Russo-friendly franchise (Washington or Tampa Bay, for instance) for a draft pick, only to see him return to the KHL after a season or two and then finally be the franchise d-man he has the potential to be. Just not with the Canucks.

 

[DL44]

The kid was homesick, he went home. End of story, really. Big blow to the nuts though. Hope he comes back in a year or two, or we can at least recoup a pick for his rights. But I agree with the poster above who said if he wasn't willing to earn his place, he probably doesn't have the drive to reach the ceiling many of us feel he has.

I'm pretty sure after a couple yrs, some further development, and couple yrs of marriage that he'll start to miss the 1st class NHL lifestyle, and will entertain the idea of an NHL sized paycheck.

I would love to know the terms of his new KHL contract... any news on THAT?

 

[valkynax]

If something like this happened two years ago I would give Benden benefit of the doubt. Not this time though.

Because it looks very much like another one of "we tried our best but still failed" situations.

Of course that is not to say Tryamkin is absolved of all faults. He's the one who made the ultimate decision to ditch the team.

Part of the situation will become yet another pedestal on the monument of failure for this management group.

 

[thefeebster]

The only circumstance where i'd draft russian players is when they show commitment by coming to play junior hockey here and the earlier the better, not just their draft year. But even then, the risk will always be there.

I highly doubt Tryamkin will be making less money over there compared to Bennings offer. I would guess 2-2.5m a year for 2 years was offered since we are too cap strapped to offer more, but realistically he is not worth more than that yet anyway. His KHL club has a new rich owner as well. Put this one into the Benning lying to save face pile

While I don't buy Benning's story either, I don't think he is lying about this aspect. Last fall, the top 30 KHL salaries were released and unless you are a top player in that league you aren't paid that much for pure salary (aka no bonus). Though, who knows what happens under the table

 

[CpatainCanuck]

I wonder if the possibility of playing for Russia in the Olympics was a factor in Tryamkin's decision. Next year he could either play for a horrible nhl team in the Canucks with no hope of winning a cup, or make just as much money playing in his homeland with the possibility of playing for and winning what many Russians think of as the biggest prize in hockey: Olympic Gold.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

The kid was homesick, he went home. End of story, really. Big blow to the nuts though. Hope he comes back in a year or two, or we can at least recoup a pick for his rights. But I agree with the poster above who said if he wasn't willing to earn his place, he probably doesn't have the drive to reach the ceiling many of us feel he has.

Will say Benning should have brought in a veteran Russian during the offseason. Seemed like an obvious move to me and I was surprised he didn't do it.

You're surprised Benning failed to do something he obviously should have done? Watching this team must be a constant thrill ride of shocks and surprises for you.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

I wonder if the possibility of playing for Russia in the Olympics was a factor in Tryamkin's decision. Next year he could either play for a horrible nhl team in the Canucks with no hope of winning a cup, or make just as much money playing in his homeland with the possibility of playing for and winning what many Russians think of as the biggest prize in hockey: Olympic Gold.

hope so! Does Tryamkin count as a prospect again. Maybe he will learn how to be on the pp in the Khl would never have a chance here. It was very sad news but if he develops more there and comes back that would be great. I really feel he has as much upside as any canuck young player.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

The only circumstance where i'd draft russian players is when they show commitment by coming to play junior hockey here and the earlier the better, not just their draft year. But even then, the risk will always be there.



While I don't buy Benning's story either, I don't think he is lying about this aspect. Last fall, the top 30 KHL salaries were released and ant yowu are a top player in that league you aren't paid that much for pure salary (aka no bonus). Though, who knows what happens under the table

Taxes must be low but based on that list we can likely get him back at any time we want. Ben hutton would be a top 10 paid player there. Tryamkin is better than Hutton. i understand why not pay that next year but once we see what Gudbranson is and maybe OJ is. Sbisa gone. maybe Tanev traded. Edler? There maybe more opportunity in 2 years.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

Do people remember Giordano going to Europe for a year and then he came back a much better player so there is hope. I will miss watching the guy.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Canuck luck.

Just like Canuck luck is going to go two different ways at the draft.
1) We get first overall and screw it up by selecting Nolan Patrick. I don't think he'll be a bad player, but this is one of those situations where the anticipated first overall isn't necessarily the best player (Yakupov, Hall, etc.). Either we pick Patrick and we're unhappy, or we pick someone else and then Patrick is selected and becomes a great #1 C. I'm expecting either situation.

2) We get like 3rd-5th overall and they aren't a game breaking player. Most likely situation. Of course we tanked in a terrible draft year.

 

[mathonwy]

brutal just brutal.

You can't draft russian players without bending over backwards to make them feel like this is a second home. I don't mean that in a negative way. You have just got to go into their first few years with eyes wide open that these players are going to need some special treatment.

Willy d is the wrong coach for russian competent nhl players.

Linden/benning should be on the ropes shot into the sun. This is just unacceptable.

ftfy

 

[polarbearcub]

Good thing we have more tryamkins according to linden....

 

[Orca Smash]

I honestly thought at the end of year presser he looked unhappy and like he didnt want to be there. But since this is the canucks i brushed it off because people would be panicking and obsessing about him possibly leaving if that was a concern (subban,demko,boeser not signing ect..).

 

[F A N]

The only circumstance where i'd draft russian players is when they show commitment by coming to play junior hockey here and the earlier the better, not just their draft year. But even then, the risk will always be there.

The risk will always be there but at the end of the day you got to weight the risk vs rewards. Take the 2010 draft, Burmistrov was generally rated higher than Tarasenko and Kuznetsov because Burmistrov came to play in the CHL. If you take out the Russian factor, I really don't think Burmistrov would have been picked ahead of those two. Tarasenko, for me, was a top 5 talent. If you get a chance to draft him in the teens I say take the chance.

While I don't buy Benning's story either, I don't think he is lying about this aspect. Last fall, the top 30 KHL salaries were released and unless you are a top player in that league you aren't paid that much for pure salary (aka no bonus). Though, who knows what happens under the table

I agree. Taxes and what happens under the table may be a factor, but I do believe that Benning offered him a 2 year deal that was among the high end in terms of comparables. Perhaps Tryamkin was really too young to make the transition like his Russian GM said.

 

[Enel]

Canuck luck.

Just like Canuck luck is going to go two different ways at the draft.
1) We get first overall and screw it up by selecting Nolan Patrick. I don't think he'll be a bad player, but this is one of those situations where the anticipated first overall isn't necessarily the best player (Yakupov, Hall, etc.). Either we pick Patrick and we're unhappy, or we pick someone else and then Patrick is selected and becomes a great #1 C. I'm expecting either situation.

2) We get like 3rd-5th overall and they aren't a game breaking player. Most likely situation. Of course we tanked in a terrible draft year.

lol looks like you'll be unhappy no matter what

 

[go comets]

It's a free world... Trymakin can play hockey anywhere he wants... Canucks fans act like they own him... Does anyone tell you where you have to live and work?????

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

It's a free world... Trymakin can play hockey anywhere he wants... Canucks fans act like they own him... Does anyone tell you where you have to live and work?????

^ This.

I know I'm a Canucks fan, but he has a point.

 

[F A N]

It's a free world... Trymakin can play hockey anywhere he wants... Canucks fans act like they own him... Does anyone tell you where you have to live and work?????

I agree except the Canucks own his NHL rights. If he wants to play in the NHL it has to be with the Canucks until 2022 unless the Canucks decide otherwise. It's more like if you want to play in the NHL before you are 27 you have to come to an agreement with the Canucks.

 

[Kshahdoo]

The only circumstance where i'd draft russian players is when they show commitment by coming to play junior hockey here and the earlier the better, not just their draft year. But even then, the risk will always be there.



While I don't buy Benning's story either, I don't think he is lying about this aspect. Last fall, the top 30 KHL salaries were released and unless you are a top player in that league you aren't paid that much for pure salary (aka no bonus). Though, who knows what happens under the table

Auto got a new owner, who's a local oligarch, so I think $2-2.5M would be in the right ballpark. Add to this 13% tax and cheaper prices, and you may assume, he will probably earn twice as much as he could get in Vancouver.

As to quality of life, here is the Russian biggest cities' list. As you can see, Yekaterinburg is the 4th on the list. It's a big modern megapolis, where you can get anything you wish. Especially if you're a local guy and have a lot of money. Don't forget about family and friends which add a lot to quality of life as well.

 

[nucks88]

I am gutted he left but it is obvious he did not want to be here. Hopefully he changes his mind in a couple of years but "it is what it is".

 

[Hit the post]

Auto got a new owner, who's a local oligarch, so I think $2-2.5M would be in the right ballpark. Add to this 13% tax and cheaper prices, and you may assume, he will probably earn twice as much as he could get in Vancouver.

As to quality of life, here is the Russian biggest cities' list. As you can see, Yekaterinburg is the 4th on the list. It's a big modern megapolis, where you can get anything you wish. Especially if you're a local guy and have a lot of money. Don't forget about family and friends which add a lot to quality of life as well.

heh, even if one assumes he paid zero taxes here, that $2-2.5M might be able to get him a house in Vancouver.

 

[Jeremy Hronek]

I think he will come back eventually. There are not that many NHL caliber players who have left for the KHL that have not come back. They grow to miss the NHL lifestyle.