Confirmed with Link: Nikita Tryamkin returns to the KHL (signs 3-year deal with Avtomobilist)

[Zaddy91]

when i look in my heart and his eyes hes not about winning a cup he just loves hockey and loves his family even more.

not gonna get into it about benning as its lol at this point. but ya tryamkin can do what he wants

Chris Tanev is one of the best defensemen in the league if were drafting top 3 anyway **** trading him

 

[Pump n Dump]

I think he will come back eventually. There are not that many NHL caliber players who have left for the KHL that have not come back. They grow to miss the NHL lifestyle.

I'm skeptical about that. How many of the players you refer to played as long in the KHL as Tryamkin already has and how many of them only had 1 year in the NHL? Tryamkin knows exactly what he is returning to and it sure doesn't seem like he was all that thrilled about his recent experience. I think he's gone for good.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

It's a free world... Trymakin can play hockey anywhere he wants... Canucks fans act like they own him... Does anyone tell you where you have to live and work?????

For around 1M a year, I'd be willing to entertain living and working nearly anywhere.

 

[thefeebster]

The risk will always be there but at the end of the day you got to weight the risk vs rewards. Take the 2010 draft, Burmistrov was generally rated higher than Tarasenko and Kuznetsov because Burmistrov came to play in the CHL. If you take out the Russian factor, I really don't think Burmistrov would have been picked ahead of those two. Tarasenko, for me, was a top 5 talent. If you get a chance to draft him in the teens I say take the chance.

The obvious disclaimer is that if you believe the Russian player is a top 5 player, it doesn't matter where he is developing. Like Ovechkin/Malkin, nobody is gonna pass them up regardless of where they developed. But once you get passed that point, I think i'd need to see strong commitment before taking them. Strong commitment towards NA development and NA hockey, the best is when they come over Draft-1 and stay (like Barbashev/M. Letunov/Goldobin or A.Svechnikov). Burmistrov only came over in his draft year, not what i was describing. Coming over for draft year, sort of feels like they just wanted more exposure for that draft, its just a different level of commitment, imo.

Auto got a new owner, who's a local oligarch, so I think $2-2.5M would be in the right ballpark. Add to this 13% tax and cheaper prices, and you may assume, he will probably earn twice as much as he could get in Vancouver.

You think he will be a top 5-7 paid player in the KHL based on salary? I'd like to see the receipts before i believe that.

 

[Archangel]

for me this is not a big lose. Many here saw more in him then there actually was. That is just my opinion. Everytime any team gets a 6'6 d-man or bigger. Dreams of Zdeno Chara dances through their heads.

 

[Tim McCracken]

I'm skeptical about that. How many of the players you refer to played as long in the KHL as Tryamkin already has and how many of them only had 1 year in the NHL? Tryamkin knows exactly what he is returning to and it sure doesn't seem like he was all that thrilled about his recent experience. I think he's gone for good.

I think he'll be back. Why wouldn't he sign for more than a year back home? Is it just a coincidence he's spending the Olympic year there after Bettman announced the NHL won't be participating? Talking about the obvious (coaching, deployemnt) is low hanging fruit and he had so say something. Would be interesting to see the "reported" money because he did take less term than the Canucks were offering.

No denying he's homesick along with missing his family and it was very tough adjusting to both a new culture and married life, not to mention playing for a coach who was clearly out of his league and bungled both Tryamkin and his countryman's situation, but he seemed to legitimately care about his teammates and winning right to the end. He looked pretty happy to get a goal and contribute in the final game for guy who was bolting for good.

This place will be hilarious if and when he returns the year after next with an Olympic Gold around his neck and a 4 year deal in hand.

 

[JuniorNelson]

for me this is not a big lose. Many here saw more in him then there actually was. That is just my opinion. Everytime any team gets a 6'6 d-man or bigger. Dreams of Zdeno Chara dances through their heads.

He did deliver the kind of hits you'd love to see every night. Canucks fumbled badly here. This would cost jobs if it was my team.

 

[Tobi Wan Kenobi]

for me this is not a big lose. Many here saw more in him then there actually was. That is just my opinion. Everytime any team gets a 6'6 d-man or bigger. Dreams of Zdeno Chara dances through their heads.

For a guy as big as Tryamkin his skating is insane. He has top pairing shutdown potential. This is a huge loss if its long term

 

[Kshahdoo]

The obvious disclaimer is that if you believe the Russian player is a top 5 player, it doesn't matter where he is developing. Like Ovechkin/Malkin, nobody is gonna pass them up regardless of where they developed. But once you get passed that point, I think i'd need to see strong commitment before taking them. Strong commitment towards NA development and NA hockey, the best is when they come over Draft-1 and stay (like Barbashev/M. Letunov/Goldobin or A.Svechnikov). Burmistrov only came over in his draft year, not what i was describing. Coming over for draft year, sort of feels like they just wanted more exposure for that draft, its just a different level of commitment, imo.

You think he will be a top 5-7 paid player in the KHL based on salary? I'd like to see the receipts before i believe that.

Russian hockey economy is a strange thing, as well as a sport economy in the whole. Of course, Tryamkin isn't amongst top10 KHL players (he can get there though, if he keeps progressing), but he's a local guy, so Auto fans are very grateful to the new ownership, because they could get him back. So the new owner got a very good publicity throughout the city and the country and it's what he wants. Especially considering, who's the hockey fan #1 in Russia...

I actually don't see a lot of negatives for Vancouver in Tryamkin's departure. The team is rebuilding anyway, so it will need all the best players it can in 3-4 years (and considering how great 2018 draft looks, good players will hurt the Canucks more, than they help them right now). Tryamkin will play 20+ minutes/game and probably have a lot of PP and PK time as well. I think, he will get more out of this, than he could get in Vancouver for his development... Of course, if Vancouver management extends Gudbranson on some crazy terms just because they couldn't sign Tryamkin, it'll be sad a bit.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of things that went well for the team this year, and also the number of players the team has that I actually get excited to see.

And one of them both just ****ed off back to Russia.

The team is finding new things to **** up now. It's really impressive to see such commitment and dedication to blazing brave new trails in incompetence. Not even can the team not acquire decent players, it's driving away the few that fall into their laps from the draft.

And the last final argument anyone can make for continuing Benning's tenure here goes out the window. It doesn't matter how well he can draft if he can't hold on to the few good players he gets.

 

[F A N]

The obvious disclaimer is that if you believe the Russian player is a top 5 player, it doesn't matter where he is developing. Like Ovechkin/Malkin, nobody is gonna pass them up regardless of where they developed. But once you get passed that point, I think i'd need to see strong commitment before taking them. Strong commitment towards NA development and NA hockey, the best is when they come over Draft-1 and stay (like Barbashev/M. Letunov/Goldobin or A.Svechnikov). Burmistrov only came over in his draft year, not what i was describing. Coming over for draft year, sort of feels like they just wanted more exposure for that draft, its just a different level of commitment, imo.

I disagree. I stand by my point about weighing the risk vs reward, especially when we get to later picks. Besides the Ovechkin and Malkins, there's the Tarasenkos' who wants to play in the NHL but believes his development was better in Russia. Obviously, you can never know when these Russian players want to go back home. Datsyuk and Kovalchuk just packed up and left and pretty much screwing over his NHL team. Tarasenko was a top 5 talent and Kuznetsov was a top 10 talent. At some point the rewards outweigh the risk.

And the last final argument anyone can make for continuing Benning's tenure here goes out the window. It doesn't matter how well he can draft if he can't hold on to the few good players he gets.

No it doesn't. Drafting well is an important first step. It gives you a chance at acquiring a player that you otherwise couldn't acquire for that draft selection. It gives you a prospect or player who is worth more than the pick you selected him with, which is worth more than the player you could have acquired had you traded the pick. Even Nashville managed to get a 3rd round pick for pending UFA Jimmy Vesey.

The Canucks hold Tryamkin's rights until 2022. If he doesn't come back to the Canucks the Canucks can trade his rights. I'm sure his rights is worth at least a 2nd (which is worth more than the 3rd we drafted him with) for the next year or more. Regardless, drafting well is of great importance. At no time does it not matter.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

for me this is not a big lose. Many here saw more in him then there actually was. That is just my opinion. Everytime any team gets a 6'6 d-man or bigger. Dreams of Zdeno Chara dances through their heads.

Yet he's still one of the best natural skaters on this team. Even though he's not on this team. He flat out skates better than basically anyone not named Horvat on this team, his lateral movement, transitioning from inside to outside or vice versa is remarkable for a man his size. The amount of control and balance a guy needs being 6'8 and on skates doing turns within the faceoff circle while most of the other defenceman on the team need the whole zone to make a turn. Also his stick work is excellent for a young low experience player, he's got better gap control than any defenceman not named Chris Tanev on this team. Probably the only guy individually strong enough to clear the crease well and for such a physical defenceman, he was penalized very little for obstruction calls. Positionally the kid was smart and showed real poise a lot of the games he played.
His biggest problem was his breakout. He relied heavily on his forwards to create clean breakouts when he's clearly the 2nd best puck carrier defenceman behind Stecher. I seen over the season a lot of people complaining about him icing the puck, but I think many teams realized how much the coaching staff was trying to get him to be an up off the glass and out Aaron Rome style defensive defenceman was hindering the smarts/hockey IQ he has.

This is why I especially hate people with this bias. "Oh he's big, they must think he's Chara reborn" no most of us seen a defenceman who was good at defending with elite level skating and still the most physical player on the team despite that not being his nature. Leading the team in hits in 66 games by an easy 30 more hits. (What's more sad about Canucks hitting stats, where we are a heavy home favourite for hitting stats, Alex Biega was top6 in hits 38 games played)

 

[Boose Brudreau]

Russian hockey economy is a strange thing, as well as a sport economy in the whole. Of course, Tryamkin isn't amongst top10 KHL players (he can get there though, if he keeps progressing), but he's a local guy, so Auto fans are very grateful to the new ownership, because they could get him back. So the new owner got a very good publicity throughout the city and the country and it's what he wants. Especially considering, who's the hockey fan #1 in Russia...

I actually don't see a lot of negatives for Vancouver in Tryamkin's departure. The team is rebuilding anyway, so it will need all the best players it can in 3-4 years (and considering how great 2018 draft looks, good players will hurt the Canucks more, than they help them right now). Tryamkin will play 20+ minutes/game and probably have a lot of PP and PK time as well. I think, he will get more out of this, than he could get in Vancouver for his development... Of course, if Vancouver management extends Gudbranson on some crazy terms just because they couldn't sign Tryamkin, it'll be sad a bit.

If this is a complete rebuild...you're not wrong IMO (this is why I'd be looking to trade Tanev for a high end prospect and 2018 1st round pick too). That said, this still feels like a loss - what is the likelihood Tryamkin ever returns to the NHL?

 

[valkynax]

If this is a complete rebuild...you're not wrong IMO (this is why I'd be looking to trade Tanev for a high end prospect and 2018 1st round pick too). That said, this still feels like a loss - what is the likelihood Tryamkin ever returns to the NHL?

Maybe it's just me but I would try to trade Edler first. Will approach him once again either this summer or TDL regarding wating his NTC.

Trading Tanev is the easier thing to do, will probably return more as well. But if we do that our D-corps will be laughably awful (not that it isn't already), good for the tank I guess?

 

[Tb0ne]

Really too bad. He should always do whats best for him and honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in the NHL one day. Let's face it, the Canucks will not be competitive anytime soon. Losing him helps speed up the necessary period near the bottom of the standings where we can accumulate the talent we need to actually have a chance at the Cup. That's of course, if our scouts can build a team using 5-10 years of Top-10 draft picks, I could seem them failing, but we will see.

 

[TruGr1t]

Pretty hilarious the Canucks keep screaming into the wind that it's a family issue, while Tryamkin keeps reiterating he wasn't happy with how he was treated.

 

[groovygoodwine]

I'm surprised more people in the media and on this boards aren't talking about the possibility that the Canucks may have offered another 2 year bridge deal (essentially a low ball) based on the unknown of his potential.

Has his KHL salary/term been released yet? What do you guys think the Canucks offered?

I'd reckon he was offered 2 years @ 1.5-2 mill per, which is speculatively half of what I imagine he'd get in Russia..

 

[Dab]

Botch rattling cages and shaking the sheets again:



Love me some Botch. Such a rabble rouser!

 

[Boose Brudreau]

Maybe it's just me but I would try to trade Edler first. Will approach him once again either this summer or TDL regarding wating his NTC.

Trading Tanev is the easier thing to do, will probably return more as well. But if we do that our D-corps will be laughably awful (not that it isn't already), good for the tank I guess?

Personally, I'd rather see Edler go as well. He's too content to be a loser and IMO, his game changed when he signed a long term contract. However, if this is a rip it to the studs rebuild, they should both go.....and if that's the case, you have to play hard ball with Edler. Give us a 10 team list, or start looking for housing in Vegas. At the end of the day, if he won't waive his NTC, his cap space is worth more to us than he is. To replace them, sign older guys on 1 year deals that may be worth something at the deadline.

 

[valkynax]

Personally, I'd rather see Edler go as well. He's too content to be a loser and IMO, his game changed when he signed a long term contract. However, if this is a rip it to the studs rebuild, they should both go.....and if that's the case, you have to play hard ball with Edler. Give us a 10 team list, or start looking for housing in Vegas. At the end of the day, if he won't waive his NTC, his cap space is worth more to us than he is. To replace them, sign older guys on 1 year deals that may be worth something at the deadline.

See I'm always reluctant to play hardball, I think it's also because I myself am not a confrontational kind of person.

But yeah if we can trade Edler for a mid-low 1st rounder I'll be OK with it. A competent GM can do more than that but let's face it, that's...kind of an issue we've been having with this team lol.

 

[timw33]

Botch rattling cages and shaking the sheets again:



Love me some Botch. Such a rabble rouser!

He's right. Everyone is jumping on the conclusions that paint the Canucks management in a good light when they clearly are the ones that botched it all up.

 

[Dab]

He's right. Everyone is jumping on the conclusions that paint the Canucks management in a good light when they clearly are the ones that botched it all up.

In the end they didn't do everything they could to keep him so its on them. No way Trev and Benning can look in the mirror and say "we did everything we could to keep him in Vancouver"...

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Let's not be naive here, it always boils down to one factor above all - and that was his wife.

Perhaps there are a lot of bachelors on these boards, but as a guy who has been married 10 years...happy wife happy life.

I think, ultimately, if Nikita wanted to play in the NHL he would still be here. I think management could have done more, like even hiring a russian associate coach or something, but it would not have stopped him from leaving. I don't think him playing 22 minutes a night would have ultimately changed anything either.

Hopefully he continues to develop well and maybe the KHL struggles a bit financially given sanctions and potentially lower for longer oil prices. Then we offer him a serious contract (like Sobotka got) to get him over here for good.

He's also young and obviously still not completely matured, whether as a hockey professional (in terms of habits and approach to the game) or as a husband. Things can evolve, even with the wife. There is still time for things to change in the coming few years.

 

[groovygoodwine]

Let's not be naive here, it always boils down to one factor above all - and that was his wife.

What else makes for a happy wife happy life? Likely significantly more money in not only your home country, but your hometown. My wife would always support the possibility for more money, whether I take it or not. Having the possibility to make more money and be home is a no-brainer, especially when Lindenning is showing him clips of Pronger.

Which bonehead thought it was a good idea to show him Chris Pronger? For every Pronger/Chara there are 10000 andrew alberts, Colton Parayko, Tyler Myers, Marek Malik... you get the point.

Looking forward to seeing the $ and term he gets in the KHL.

 

[valkynax]

Let's not be naive here, it always boils down to one factor above all - and that was his wife.

Perhaps there are a lot of bachelors on these boards, but as a guy who has been married 10 years...happy wife happy life.

I think, ultimately, if Nikita wanted to play in the NHL he would still be here. I think management could have done more, like even hiring a russian associate coach or something, but it would not have stopped him from leaving. I don't think him playing 22 minutes a night would have ultimately changed anything either.

Hopefully he continues to develop well and maybe the KHL struggles a bit financially given sanctions and potentially lower for longer oil prices. Then we offer him a serious contract (like Sobotka got) to get him over here for good.

He's also young and obviously still not completely matured, whether as a hockey professional (in terms of habits and approach to the game) or as a husband. Things can evolve, even with the wife. There is still time for things to change in the coming few years.

Like I said before, I would give Benden some benefit of the doubt had something like this occurred 2 years ago. But ever since Benden took charge there's been way too many of these "we failed but we tried our best" moments, way too many.

Not saying this is completely management's fault, but seriously there's only so many times they can say "we tried our best" and blame it on factors outside of their control before people starting asking: wait, if you always tried your best then why are you STILL failing so very consistently?