Confirmed with Link: Nikita Tryamkin returns to the KHL (signs 3-year deal with Avtomobilist)

[Snatcher Demko]

Like I said before, I would give Benden some benefit of the doubt had something like this occurred 2 years ago. But ever since Benden took charge there's been way too many of these "we failed but we tried our best" moments, way too many.

Not saying this is completely management's fault, but seriously there's only so many times they can say "we tried our best" and blame it on factors outside of their control before people starting asking: wait, if you always tried your best then why are you STILL failing so very consistently?

Oh, don't get me wrong, I also think Linden and Benning need to go, or at the very least Linden should be let go and someone experienced (and intelligent) like Gillis should be working above Benning.

But I just don't think the ultimate blame lies with them in this particular situation.

 

[alternate]

What else makes for a happy wife happy life? Likely significantly more money in not only your home country, but your hometown. My wife would always support the possibility for more money, whether I take it or not. Having the possibility to make more money and be home is a no-brainer, especially when Lindenning is showing him clips of Pronger.

Which bonehead thought it was a good idea to show him Chris Pronger? For every Pronger/Chara there are 10000 andrew alberts, Colton Parayko, Tyler Myers, Marek Malik... you get the point.

Looking forward to seeing the $ and term he gets in the KHL.

Source on the significant more money claim?

Pretty clear what happened...while Big Try was watching video of Pronger, Mrs Try was watching video of Mrs Pronger.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

No it doesn't. Drafting well is an important first step. It gives you a chance at acquiring a player that you otherwise couldn't acquire for that draft selection. It gives you a prospect or player who is worth more than the pick you selected him with, which is worth more than the player you could have acquired had you traded the pick. Even Nashville managed to get a 3rd round pick for pending UFA Jimmy Vesey.

The Canucks hold Tryamkin's rights until 2022. If he doesn't come back to the Canucks the Canucks can trade his rights. I'm sure his rights is worth at least a 2nd (which is worth more than the 3rd we drafted him with) for the next year or more. Regardless, drafting well is of great importance. At no time does it not matter.

WTF is this word salad? Yeah, I know drafting well is in theory important, but not when you've got a monkey in charge of running the team. Tryamkin's rights are worth a 2nd rounder? In what fantasy world is that? You actually think another NHL team will give a 2nd round pick for the rights to a KHL dman who's probably never going to set foot in Canada or the US again? That Jim Benning can make that deal? Have you ignored literally every transaction Benning has made here? Tryamkin's gone.

 

[Nick Lang]

I think he'll be back. Why wouldn't he sign for more than a year back home? Is it just a coincidence he's spending the Olympic year there after Bettman announced the NHL won't be participating? Talking about the obvious (coaching, deployemnt) is low hanging fruit and he had so say something. Would be interesting to see the "reported" money because he did take less term than the Canucks were offering.

No denying he's homesick along with missing his family and it was very tough adjusting to both a new culture and married life, not to mention playing for a coach who was clearly out of his league and bungled both Tryamkin and his countryman's situation, but he seemed to legitimately care about his teammates and winning right to the end. He looked pretty happy to get a goal and contribute in the final game for guy who was bolting for good.

This place will be hilarious if and when he returns the year after next with an Olympic Gold around his neck and a 4 year deal in hand.

Lol, are there people that actually think he's going to make the Olympic team. Talk about disallusioned and out of touch with the game.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

Lol, are there people that actually think he's going to make the Olympic team. Talk about disallusioned and out of touch with the game.

without nhl players? why not? he has alot of potential. i could see him on that team. who are the 8 non nhl russian d men who are better? and why dont we or any nhl team sign them?

 

[Nick Lang]

without nhl players? why not? he has alot of potential. i could see him on that team. who are the 8 non nhl russian d men who are better? and why dont we or any nhl team sign them?

To be honest I don't know. But if he's one them that's pretty sad. I really like him and he has potential but unless his game drastically improves he is not currently the elite defenceman people on here are making him out to be.

I'm not sure but I thought he was only the 5th or 6th defenceman on his team in Russia the previous year.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Man, this is so unfortunate. But we're not the first team this has happened to and we won't be the last.

Russians aren't really a risk so long as they are exposed to the North American lifestyle before they are drafted. Tryamkin played zero minor league games here and never seemed to like the North American brand of hockey.

 

[Tobi Wan Kenobi]

To be honest I don't know. But if he's one them that's pretty sad. I really like him and he has potential but unless his game drastically improves he is not currently the elite defenceman people on here are making him out to be.

I'm not sure but I thought he was only the 5th or 6th defenceman on his team in Russia the previous year.

Russia has never had a very good defense. That's why they haven't been able to win at the Olympics. The 2014 olympic team had Nikuloin, Nikitin, Voynov, Tyutin, Emelin, Belov, Markov and Medveded... Tryamkin is definitely in the top 15 right now. Without NHLers he's a pretty sure bet to be on the team. I'm maybe wondering if he was promised a spot if he went back

 

[Nick Lang]

Russia has never had a very good defense. That's why they haven't been able to win at the Olympics. The 2014 olympic team had Nikuloin, Nikitin, Voynov, Tyutin, Emelin, Belov, Markov and Medveded... Tryamkin is definitely in the top 15 right now. Without NHLers he's a pretty sure bet to be on the team. I'm maybe wondering if he was promised a spot if he went back

I suppose it's possible. I agree with your point about the Russian defense, but they seem to always value an odd variety of guys you've never really heard of. I think he would have to basically be Avtomobilists top defenceman. I don't really see him as a top 8 defenceman in Russia at this point.

 

[FroshaugFan2]

Russia has never had a very good defense. That's why they haven't been able to win at the Olympics. The 2014 olympic team had Nikuloin, Nikitin, Voynov, Tyutin, Emelin, Belov, Markov and Medveded... Tryamkin is definitely in the top 15 right now. Without NHLers he's a pretty sure bet to be on the team. I'm maybe wondering if he was promised a spot if he went back

He didn't even make the World Championships. They obviously didn't promise him a spot on the Olympic team.

 

[Fatass]

He didn't even make the World Championships. They obviously didn't promise him a spot on the Olympic team.

I don't know anything about Russian guy ego. I'm completely guessing here. Maybe his wife (who I believe is pregnant) insisted he comes home to play, and Tryamkin mentioned hockey related reasons (Ice time) to make it look like he is the man and he's making the decision?

 

[crobro]

Is Larionov his agent?

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Lol, are there people that actually think he's going to make the Olympic team. Talk about disallusioned and out of touch with the game.

Delete your acc if he does?

 

[JuniorNelson]

Blaming a guy's wife is just creepy. Tryamkin doesn't want to be on team suck. You could see him hating it. Nobody likes to lose but some guys can endure it and some guys won't. Tryamkin competes hard. Playing for a flat line team is torture for a guy like that.

Horvat competes hard, too. Think about that. Is he loving it on the Canucks? Or, is he going to leave as soon as possible?

Guys with competitive personalities compete against peers. Is a guy with top line ambitions going to be satisfied playing on the worst team in the league? Put aside any nonsense arguments (it'll be his team! or they sent him to the all-star game!) and look at it objectively. Canucks suck and do not have the right guys to fix it. They will suck on. Do players want to suck along with Benning or do they go anywhere else?

 

[F A N]

Blaming a guy's wife is just creepy.

Not sure about blaming, but can't the wife have a lot of influence?

Tryamkin doesn't want to be on team suck. You could see him hating it. Nobody likes to lose but some guys can endure it and some guys won't. Tryamkin competes hard. Playing for a flat line team is torture for a guy like that.

Horvat competes hard, too. Think about that. Is he loving it on the Canucks? Or, is he going to leave as soon as possible?

Nobody likes to lose but guys like Horvat understand the deal and believes they can be difference maker. How many #1 overall picks think they are going to a team that doesn't suck? It would be foolish if they don't think it will take some time. If they are lucky, it doesn't take much time.

 

[VanJack]

Having had a chance to step back from it and reflect, maybe a year or two in the KHL won't be the worst thing for Tryamkin, particularly if the Canucks retain his rights until the end of the 21-22 season.

It's not like the Canucks won't be sucking next season anyway, and likely means that Juolevi will be gifted a spot on the back-end, whether he's ready or not. Regrettably it probably also means that the Canucks won't be dealing a veteran d-man in the off-season, but then given Jimbo's track record in the trade market, maybe the deal you 'don't make' is the best one in the end.

 

[Pastor Of Muppets]

"Spent a couple of days poking around the Nikita Tryamkin story and came to this conclusion. The rift between the player and the organization is not irreparable. Wouldn’t say it’s an absolute lock but the sense here is he’ll be back in Vancouver at some point."..Ed Willes,The Province..

Maybe the situation isn't as dire as was originally thought..

 

[WinterEmpire]

"Spent a couple of days poking around the Nikita Tryamkin story and came to this conclusion. The rift between the player and the organization is not irreparable. Wouldn’t say it’s an absolute lock but the sense here is he’ll be back in Vancouver at some point."..Ed Willes,The Province..

Maybe the situation isn't as dire as was originally thought..

Aka "I don't want to deal with the BS from this mess of management group, I'm going to play at home until they fire these clowns"

 

[Fatass]

"Spent a couple of days poking around the Nikita Tryamkin story and came to this conclusion. The rift between the player and the organization is not irreparable. Wouldn’t say it’s an absolute lock but the sense here is he’ll be back in Vancouver at some point."..Ed Willes,The Province..

Maybe the situation isn't as dire as was originally thought..

Agree that the situation isn't as dire as first thought, but WHY is there a situation in the first place? When a team gets a 22 year old dman with Tryamkin's size, strength, quick hands and feet, who can play they shouldn't mess it up, should they?

 

[ForeverDrought]

Honestly it's almost comical at this point.

All I can do is laugh.... or cry.

You have to k ow this is possible when drafting Russians. If we get Nico or Nolan, then at least I'll be a bit happier about this mess of a franchise.

 

[M2Beezy]

"Spent a couple of days poking around the Nikita Tryamkin story and came to this conclusion. The rift between the player and the organization is not irreparable. Wouldn’t say it’s an absolute lock but the sense here is he’ll be back in Vancouver at some point."..Ed Willes,The Province..

Maybe the situation isn't as dire as was originally thought..

Only hope is this

He wants to play in olympics and canucks wanna tank next year anyways so theres not a big loss for us if he goes back to khl so can play in olympics and come back the season after. Only problem is might hurt his development

But realistically this is the risk with russians and we should of known it

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Blaming a guy's wife is just creepy. Tryamkin doesn't want to be on team suck. You could see him hating it. Nobody likes to lose but some guys can endure it and some guys won't. Tryamkin competes hard. Playing for a flat line team is torture for a guy like that.

His wife doesn't deserve "blame", nor was I assigning any blame to her. She has a preference and that's Russia. If they're happier there working on their marriage (newlyweds) then that's normally a deciding factor over any others. Nobody deserves "blame" in that scenario.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

"Spent a couple of days poking around the Nikita Tryamkin story and came to this conclusion. The rift between the player and the organization is not irreparable. Wouldn’t say it’s an absolute lock but the sense here is he’ll be back in Vancouver at some point."..Ed Willes,The Province..

Maybe the situation isn't as dire as was originally thought..

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him return at some point. If more stars leave the KHL and if their finances aren't as rosy, coupled with a 3-4 year offer from Vancouver, then why wouldn't he consider a return.

Burmistrov, Radulov, Sobotka are just some examples of this.

Plus you have to factor in his own maturity.

 

[GetFocht]

HockeyWidow was saying that Benning and Co are hopeful he will return in 2-3 years. It's a reasonable expectation considering he will be more matured and want to live a better professional lifestyle.

 

[ChilliBilly]

We have all heard the "published" reasons why he left. No one on here has any idea whether or not its accurate, or if any of the speculation (i.e. Olympics or wife) are the reason.

However, the NHL pays much better than the KHL, and I fully expect the Canucks to entice him back in either the next season, or the one after, with a decent payday. Losing him for a year or 2 isn't the end of the world; its not like he alone would be the difference between making the playoffs or not, or winning a first round in those playoffs.

Let's face it, we are a poor team right now, but we have some reasons to be optimistic.

Maybe Virtanen turns into a serviceable NHLer.
Juolevi turns into a top 2 D man.
We get a good pick this year.
Dahlen and Goldobin continue to mature, and become valuable players.

However, its highly unlikely that any of this is going to happen quickly. We should have one of the better prospect pools after all of this.

I look forward to Tryamkin coming back for a payday and bing a useful part of our future. A "competent" GM or president will find out what it takes to make him happy playing in NA. And help him out.