Confirmed with Link: Nikita Tryamkin returns to the KHL (signs 3-year deal with Avtomobilist)

[Hit the post]

Canucks player development 101:

Unit 1: Fitness, Fitness, Fitness

• Get rid of that baby fat or you don't play!

• Not taught proper fitness or nutrition! Who cares, you don't play!

• Better than other players? Not making mistakes? Doesn't matter! You're huffing and puffing! You don't play!

• Exceptions - Face used in team promotion, player acquired in big transaction, or Foundational players.

Unit 2: Video, Video, Video

• Don't be you! Be that other guy!

• Guide to summer performance improvement - watch video!

• Case study - Luca Sbisa

To be fair (and I've made as many jokes about Sbisa at his expense as anybody here), at least his attitude appears to be the right one. He tries (he just ain't that good...) to be a consummate professional (ie., not coming into camp in shape ain't that, etc.,)

 

[tantalum]

To be fair (and I've made as many jokes about Sbisa at his expense as anybody here), at least his attitude appears to be the right one. He tries (he just ain't that good...) to be a consummate professional (ie., not coming into camp in shape ain't that, etc.,)

I have nothing against the man. Seems a good guy and you are correct that his attitude and willingness to work is certainly professional. But I wasn't really commenting on him in that regard but how this management group may be using video as a development crutch. Seriously, watch video of Pronger? I liked Tryamkin but he was never going to be Pronger. Work with the skills and abilities the player has not with what you wished he had. And to be fair this is an issue with many teams.

 

[Hit the post]

ahhhh fair enough (it's early in the morning & I haven't had my daily dose of coffee yet ).

 

[Hansen]

To be fair (and I've made as many jokes about Sbisa at his expense as anybody here), at least his attitude appears to be the right one. He tries (he just ain't that good...) to be a consummate professional (ie., not coming into camp in shape ain't that, etc.,)

There was one interview with him where they asked him about his tape job and he mentioned how he feels that only skill guys use white tape. When they asked him why he uses black tape and he just pauses for a moment and looks at the interviewer and says "well..." then looks away. That was gut wrenching because you immediately know that Sbisa is probably harder on himself that anyone, he knows that he ****s up all the time.

I still can't stand that he has such a prominent role on our team but **** thats hard, he's a good person

 

[Egghead1999]

Personally it sounds like the player was the problem.shows up out of shape, whines he is not getting enough minutes, wouldn't go to the AHL ... It's obvious to me that this player would be an on going problem and a constant distraction.......Move on already....

exactly,
but not from the hosts of team 1040, they are still saying it is all his fault , so grandpa. And, i am 50 yrs old.

 

[Tobi Wan Kenobi]

Personally it sounds like the player was the problem.shows up out of shape, whines he is not getting enough minutes, wouldn't go to the AHL ... It's obvious to me that this player would be an on going problem and a constant distraction.......Move on already....

Was he out of shape or was there no room for him because Willie was playing Larsen(lol), Sbisa and Gudbransson ahead of him? As soon as he got in the lineup he was better than all three. There's no way he should've gone to the AHL. It was in his contract and he was better than half our defenseman so why should he have been sent down? He was great with his teammates all year and if he was pissed off about the team trying to go around his contract in bad faith, his lack of minutes and also when Willie called him out and out blame on him for a loss(which was insane) we didn't see he him mad or any different. Maybe watch some games before forming an opinion. His teammates loved him. No distraction there. The condescension from Uticas posters is pretty funny at times

 

[Tinhorn1]

Looks like Gillis was right to be weary of Russian players.

Wary, not weary. Weary is tired.

Also, for anyone interested, when you're losing a game, you're losing a game, not loosing it. I don't why I keep seeing these same weird errors reproduced by multiple posters, but they seem to be perpetuating more and more. Thanks.

 

[Fatass]

Could Tryamkin's leaving be actually a good thing for our rebuilding process? I accept we will be an even worse team next season without him. This should result in another top five pick in 2018, which we likely need to get another top forward. Then (I see) Tryamkin coming back after a season or two back home. We should be a much more youthful and better team in two years. Nakita will only be 24 and still improving too. I think his (fingers crossed) return could be a the perfect time.

 

[Tim McCracken]

Wary, not weary. Weary is tired.

Also, for anyone interested, when you're losing a game, you're losing a game, not loosing it. I don't why I keep seeing these same weird errors reproduced by multiple posters, but they seem to be perpetuating more and more. Thanks.

Hey, at least recognize progress. I think that poster must have overheard part of the Virtanen - "Foundational, Grit, & Balls" Sutter road trip exchange on a Canucks podcast.....

JV: "She may be wooly, women do get wooly, because of all the stress."

"Foundational, Grit, & Balls" Sutter: "I hate it when people get the words wrong. It's she may be weary, women do get weary. And it's wearing the same old dress, not because of the all the stress."


Anyway, back to the original programming. This is all on Linden. The top of BFG's contract wishlist included a lifetime "Club 16" membership and when Linden balked, BFG reached out at the last minute to negotiate that term but, ironically, Linden couldn't take the call as he was in between filming the most recent "Club 16" commercial and the ad where Trev encourages y'all to vote in the upcoming election. Missed opportunity right there.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Amidst all the negativity and depression surrounding the Tryamkin situation, there are a few positives to be taken out of this (albeit, small positives, but positives nonetheless).

1) Canucks qualify Tryamkin: Tryamkin remains Canucks property. So - in the event that Tryamkin absolutely kills it in the KHL and desires to return to the NHL in a few years, he would do so either as a Vancouver Canucks, or as a member of another team where the Canucks would trade Tryamkin and get fair market value (cue Benning jokes here).

2) For you Tankers out there, the (short term?) loss of Tryamkin gives us a greater shot in landing Dahlin.

3) Gudbranson isn't that much worse than Tryamkin. He's much more disciplined than Tryamkin. I know people on here are down on Guds, but he's not THAT much worse than Tree.......and Guds is still young enough to take his game to another level.

4) The short term loss of Tryamkin gives us more cap space.

5) Maybe Tryamkin goes to the KHL, gets boatloads of ice-time, becomes a star, and returns to Vancouver............as a star...............with new coaching and administration in Vancouver. We retains his rights. Never say never!

5) If the Canucks don't draft in the Top 2, Cale Makar might be available to be drafted

 

[krutovsdonut]

sometimes the best cure for homesickness is going home for a while.

did he sign a two year deal or a one year deal? if it's a one year deal and he plays in russia then the olympics, he could be back in a canuck uniform before the end of next season, especially if yekaterinburg misses the playoffs there.

 

[Hit the post]

sometimes the best cure for homesickness is going home for a while.

We still own Koltsov's rights?

4) The short term loss of Tryamkin gives us more cap space.

He was on an ELC contract - can't get much cheaper than that. Yeah you could replace his spot in the lineup with some waiver wire trash making the league minimum (with the corresponding likely huge loss in effectiveness).

 

[sting101]

Such drama.

Except he's leaving Vancouver for what is a bad team in the KHL. 25-35 last year. Tied for 4th worst in the league (albeit a 15 team league). And he's not eligible to go to another NHL team until 2022.

You are right that careers are short. But in the case of this player, it's pretty clear that he's passing up what is the best career opportunity available to him by leaving Vancouver.

The decision in this case seems more to be about what country the guy wants to live in.

I don't think this calls for hand wringing over players not wanting to play here. Vancouver has never been a top FA destination (especially because of the travel) but it has always been a decent place for players to be. A fair number even decide to stick around after retiring. None of this is going to change a whole lot. As always, some will want to be here, some won't. There is no need to worry about a huge exodus any time soon.

Hell, both Kesler and Luongo asked for trades. And that was under the previous regime. Sometimes players base decisions on things outside of hockey. C'est la vie.

This is it.

He goes back to play in his hometown with his family and friends close by, the culture and language he's comfortable with and a 60 game season with colder but dryer weather.

It's obviously a big set back for the organization but Nikita seems like a smart guy with a caring attitude. The direction of this team right now can't be that attractive to just soldier on through the adversity when he can make a little less but live a lot more comfortably and happily. i think there is a pretty good chance he comes back later a few years down the road when hopefully this team is putting the pieces together to win.

On the defensive side of things. Despite the loss the roster still looks half way decent providing Gudbranson and Juolevi can make positive contributions.

Edler Stecher
Hutton Tanev
Juolevi Gudbranson

Sbisa?? Biega
Pedan Subban
Brisebois McEneny

 

[Petrichor]

Alright, I had a day to think about this. Firstly, this is pretty disappointing as I had him pegged as a top 4 defenceman by the end of the year. He really has a lot of skill and looks very fluid in the NHL. At 6'8, the guy skates like he's 5'11, easily towers over people and rag dolls tough guys like Benn, has a heavy shot and IQ is pretty good for his first year.

So, I can see how he can get a bit arrogant.

But no matter how good a player is, I think what's important is attitude and this is where he severely lacks. Maybe it's the age, but I really don't think the Canucks screwed up here. Let's break it down at who's at fault:

Benning - did his job in drafting NHL talent in the 3rd round. The talent he found is reminiscent of a young Edler in the 3rd round. Tons of potential.

Desjardins - now I know the hate he gets with not playing young players, but this has absolutely nothing to do with coaching. Complaining about ice time? Complaining about not starting until 10 games later? Complaining about being benched in favour of Sbisa? Who cares? All these issues are irrelevant as the coach is fired! Stupid reasoning.

Russian teammates - Goldobin and Pedan, no complaints from either side based on limited ice time and being asked what to do from coaching staff.

You can question WD's tactics all you want, but at the end of the day, he's the coach. You're not. The player needs to have the right attitude to succeed.

Look at Goldobin's reaction when Sutter and WD called him out. Oh that's right, there was no reaction, because Goldobin decided to show it on the ice and score goals instead of complain. And this guy is a former 1st rounder, way higher pedigree than Tryamkin who was drafted as an overager. So really, I think Tryamkin has a bad attitude here and clearly at fault. Wasted Canuck's draft pick on him:

1) Comes to camp out of shape. Seriously dude? Here we are roasting Virtanen for being out of shape and even Virtanen has a better attitude in Utica. You're a professional athlete. You have ONE job to do. Seriously man...these kids.

2) Refuses to go to the AHL - yeah, the KHL is better league, but may not be about the league, rather the system Canucks employ. This is about buying into the team's strategy and gameplay. This is about being a good teammate. If you have 5 years of managerial experience and you go into a new company, you're going to have to go through an onboarding and training session to get up to speed with the company's products, etc. This is the exact same thing.

3) Complaining, whining and complaining about management - It's your first year in the NHL. Put up some points before you start complaining. You got 2 goals last year...

I still want Tryamkin back in a few years, but he's really got stop complaining about the situation and just come the Canucks and work hard. Everyone else does.

 

[arttk]

Alright, I had a day to think about this. Firstly, this is pretty disappointing as I had him pegged as a top 4 defenceman by the end of the year. He really has a lot of skill and looks very fluid in the NHL. At 6'8, the guy skates like he's 5'11, easily towers over people and rag dolls tough guys like Benn, has a heavy shot and IQ is pretty good for his first year.

So, I can see how he can get a bit arrogant.

But no matter how good a player is, I think what's important is attitude and this is where he severely lacks. Maybe it's the age, but I really don't think the Canucks screwed up here. Let's break it down at who's at fault:

Benning - did his job in drafting NHL talent in the 3rd round. The talent he found is reminiscent of a young Edler in the 3rd round. Tons of potential.

Desjardins - now I know the hate he gets with not playing young players, but this has absolutely nothing to do with coaching. Complaining about ice time? Complaining about not starting until 10 games later? Complaining about being benched in favour of Sbisa? Who cares? All these issues are irrelevant as the coach is fired! Stupid reasoning.

Russian teammates - Goldobin and Pedan, no complaints from either side based on limited ice time and being asked what to do from coaching staff.

You can question WD's tactics all you want, but at the end of the day, he's the coach. You're not. The player needs to have the right attitude to succeed.

Look at Goldobin's reaction when Sutter and WD called him out. Oh that's right, there was no reaction, because Goldobin decided to show it on the ice and score goals instead of complain. And this guy is a former 1st rounder, way higher pedigree than Tryamkin who was drafted as an overager. So really, I think Tryamkin has a bad attitude here and clearly at fault. Wasted Canuck's draft pick on him:

1) Comes to camp out of shape. Seriously dude? Here we are roasting Virtanen for being out of shape and even Virtanen has a better attitude in Utica. You're a professional athlete. You have ONE job to do. Seriously man...these kids.

2) Refuses to go to the AHL - yeah, the KHL is better league, but may not be about the league, rather the system Canucks employ. This is about buying into the team's strategy and gameplay. This is about being a good teammate. If you have 5 years of managerial experience and you go into a new company, you're going to have to go through an onboarding and training session to get up to speed with the company's products, etc. This is the exact same thing.

3) Complaining, whining and complaining about management - It's your first year in the NHL. Put up some points before you start complaining. You got 2 goals last year...

I still want Tryamkin back in a few years, but he's really got stop complaining about the situation and just come the Canucks and work hard. Everyone else does.

Nope he doesn't.

 

[krutovsdonut]

still curious about the khl contract length. i did some googling and can't find that detail.
the khl twitter release just says tryamkin "returns" to yekatarinaberg. the tweet for larsen says he signed a two year contract.

 

[xtr3m]

still curious about the khl contract length. i did some googling and can't find that detail.
the khl twitter release just says tryamkin "returns" to yekatarinaberg. the tweet for larsen says he signed a two year contract.

After reading some comments on a Russian sports site their fans seem to think that it's a bad decision motivated by a chance to play in the Olympics. Also, most think that he'll end up in SKA on a dream contract.

 

[PG Canuck]

I think everyone in this situation is wearing an egg on their face.

 

[Huggy43]

Wary, not weary. Weary is tired.

It IS Gillis we're talking about here, do you remember the bags under his eyes?

 

[thepuckmonster]

There was one interview with him where they asked him about his tape job and he mentioned how he feels that only skill guys use white tape. When they asked him why he uses black tape and he just pauses for a moment and looks at the interviewer and says "well..." then looks away. That was gut wrenching because you immediately know that Sbisa is probably harder on himself that anyone, he knows that he ****s up all the time.

I still can't stand that he has such a prominent role on our team but **** thats hard, he's a good person

This made me sad. Sbisa might not be a good hockey player but he honestly tries and works to improve. It's almost why I don't want Vegas to take him because if we're gonna be **** we might as well be **** with guys who are professionals and good people.

 

[VanJack]

Alright, I had a day to think about this. Firstly, this is pretty disappointing as I had him pegged as a top 4 defenceman by the end of the year. He really has a lot of skill and looks very fluid in the NHL. At 6'8, the guy skates like he's 5'11, easily towers over people and rag dolls tough guys like Benn, has a heavy shot and IQ is pretty good for his first year.

So, I can see how he can get a bit arrogant.

But no matter how good a player is, I think what's important is attitude and this is where he severely lacks. Maybe it's the age, but I really don't think the Canucks screwed up here. Let's break it down at who's at fault:

Benning - did his job in drafting NHL talent in the 3rd round. The talent he found is reminiscent of a young Edler in the 3rd round. Tons of potential.

Desjardins - now I know the hate he gets with not playing young players, but this has absolutely nothing to do with coaching. Complaining about ice time? Complaining about not starting until 10 games later? Complaining about being benched in favour of Sbisa? Who cares? All these issues are irrelevant as the coach is fired! Stupid reasoning.

Russian teammates - Goldobin and Pedan, no complaints from either side based on limited ice time and being asked what to do from coaching staff.

You can question WD's tactics all you want, but at the end of the day, he's the coach. You're not. The player needs to have the right attitude to succeed.

Look at Goldobin's reaction when Sutter and WD called him out. Oh that's right, there was no reaction, because Goldobin decided to show it on the ice and score goals instead of complain. And this guy is a former 1st rounder, way higher pedigree than Tryamkin who was drafted as an overager. So really, I think Tryamkin has a bad attitude here and clearly at fault. Wasted Canuck's draft pick on him:

1) Comes to camp out of shape. Seriously dude? Here we are roasting Virtanen for being out of shape and even Virtanen has a better attitude in Utica. You're a professional athlete. You have ONE job to do. Seriously man...these kids.

2) Refuses to go to the AHL - yeah, the KHL is better league, but may not be about the league, rather the system Canucks employ. This is about buying into the team's strategy and gameplay. This is about being a good teammate. If you have 5 years of managerial experience and you go into a new company, you're going to have to go through an onboarding and training session to get up to speed with the company's products, etc. This is the exact same thing.

3) Complaining, whining and complaining about management - It's your first year in the NHL. Put up some points before you start complaining. You got 2 goals last year...

I still want Tryamkin back in a few years, but he's really got stop complaining about the situation and just come the Canucks and work hard. Everyone else does.

You need to Google Botchford's article in this morning's Province...basically they totally screwed up with Tryamkin and lost a big piece of their rebuilding job as a result. He was on his way to being the 'foundational' d-man this team has never had.

For starters, even if Tryamkin was bloated and out of shape at the start of the year, which I doubt, he was still a lot better than Sbisa, Gudbranson or Hutton...and they tried to send him to Utica, which they knew was a clear violation of his contract.

They apparently showed the guy "Chris Pronger videos", hinting he wasn't mean or tough enough....and then Willie called him out after the Boston game, saying if he'd stepped it up physically on Marchand, the game might have turned out differently. What a load of crap...according to Botch, it even shocked other Russian players in the League, and I believe him.

Despite being one of the best Canuck d-men by the end of the year, he was still getting third pairing minutes, while guys like Edler and Sbisa crapped the bed night after night and played more minutes in meaningless games.

The only consolation to this whole fiasco is that one of the worst coaches in franchise history and the agent of this total flop was sent packing at the end of the year. But damage done....and for a team in a complete rebuild, with only 'hope' to sell to the faithful, this is about as bad as it gets.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Wary, not weary. Weary is tired.

Also, for anyone interested, when you're losing a game, you're losing a game, not loosing it. I don't why I keep seeing these same weird errors reproduced by multiple posters, but they seem to be perpetuating more and more. Thanks.

Thanks. Quoted bc it bugs me too

 

[Dab]

Brutal just brutal.

You can't draft Russian players without bending over backwards to make them feel like this is a second home. I don't mean that in a negative way. You have just got to go into their first few years with eyes wide open that these players are going to need some special treatment.

Willy D is the wrong coach for Russian players.

Linden/Benning should be on the ropes. This is just unacceptable.

 

[DanCloutiersFiveHole]

Alright, I had a day to think about this. Firstly, this is pretty disappointing as I had him pegged as a top 4 defenceman by the end of the year. He really has a lot of skill and looks very fluid in the NHL. At 6'8, the guy skates like he's 5'11, easily towers over people and rag dolls tough guys like Benn, has a heavy shot and IQ is pretty good for his first year.

So, I can see how he can get a bit arrogant.

But no matter how good a player is, I think what's important is attitude and this is where he severely lacks. Maybe it's the age, but I really don't think the Canucks screwed up here. Let's break it down at who's at fault:

Benning - did his job in drafting NHL talent in the 3rd round. The talent he found is reminiscent of a young Edler in the 3rd round. Tons of potential.

Desjardins - now I know the hate he gets with not playing young players, but this has absolutely nothing to do with coaching. Complaining about ice time? Complaining about not starting until 10 games later? Complaining about being benched in favour of Sbisa? Who cares? All these issues are irrelevant as the coach is fired! Stupid reasoning.

Russian teammates - Goldobin and Pedan, no complaints from either side based on limited ice time and being asked what to do from coaching staff.

You can question WD's tactics all you want, but at the end of the day, he's the coach. You're not. The player needs to have the right attitude to succeed.

Look at Goldobin's reaction when Sutter and WD called him out. Oh that's right, there was no reaction, because Goldobin decided to show it on the ice and score goals instead of complain. And this guy is a former 1st rounder, way higher pedigree than Tryamkin who was drafted as an overager. So really, I think Tryamkin has a bad attitude here and clearly at fault. Wasted Canuck's draft pick on him:

1) Comes to camp out of shape. Seriously dude? Here we are roasting Virtanen for being out of shape and even Virtanen has a better attitude in Utica. You're a professional athlete. You have ONE job to do. Seriously man...these kids.

2) Refuses to go to the AHL - yeah, the KHL is better league, but may not be about the league, rather the system Canucks employ. This is about buying into the team's strategy and gameplay. This is about being a good teammate. If you have 5 years of managerial experience and you go into a new company, you're going to have to go through an onboarding and training session to get up to speed with the company's products, etc. This is the exact same thing.

3) Complaining, whining and complaining about management - It's your first year in the NHL. Put up some points before you start complaining. You got 2 goals last year...

I still want Tryamkin back in a few years, but he's really got stop complaining about the situation and just come the Canucks and work hard. Everyone else does.

You thought about this for an entire day and this is what you came up with?
Good grief.
He didn't complain about anything. He was asked by the media why he decided to return to the KHL and his response was that he didn't understand the reasoning why for example he would be the only D-man benched. Why he wasn't playing to start the year when he recognized he was better than some of the other guys on the blueline. Then management, who guaranteed him the right to remain in Vancouver, asked him to go to Utica anyways. In the end he preferred to go back home where he was comfortable and where he could communicate without a translator.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot.
Have you ever lived abroad in a country where you don't speak the language? It can be absolutely brutal. Try holding yourself to the same standards you hold these guys and ask yourself how you would handle uprooting your life to live in Russia.

 

[DanCloutiersFiveHole]

Brutal just brutal.

You can't draft Russian players without bending over backwards to make them feel like this is a second home. I don't mean that in a negative way. You have just got to go into their first few years with eyes wide open that these players are going to need some special treatment.

Willy D is the wrong coach for Russian players.

Linden/Benning should be on the ropes. This is just unacceptable.

Yup. You can't just pick him up from the airport like the job's done.