Confirmed with Link: Nikita Tryamkin returns to the KHL (signs 3-year deal with Avtomobilist)

[PG Canuck]

I love the advice in this thread of "draft more Russians and Tryamkin will come back". No. Let's ****ing not.

 

[NoShowWilly]

well at least we didn't overpay him on a 'bridge' contract. apparently it was on the table.

 

[LeftCoast]

Gees - I can't help but think this is a big screw up to allow this to happen.

 

[lawrence]

Well they fired the ****ing coach, and he still he has to go to the KHL?

I bet the whole "you're 6'8 and therefore need to be fighthing" also played a role.

Hopefully he will still come back in a couple of years once there is a new management group here.

Still have to give Benning credit for finding the guy, but you'd think more could have been done to ensure one of your brightest young players will be happy.

Tryamkin deserves plenty of "blame" too, the decision is his and he came to camp out of shape. He would have gotten his shot if he wanted to work for it.

I personally believe he wants to play in the olympics, but thats just me. I don't believe his ice time theory.

 

[opendoor]

I personally believe he wants to play in the olympics, but thats just me. I don't believe his ice time theory.

Why would he even mention ice time or being frustrated with the Canucks if that was the case? If all he wants is to go home and possibly play in the Olympics he wouldn't have needed to say anything about ice time or the team not communicating well with him.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

Videos of Pronger? Look, I get trying to teach players to take elements of certain players game and incorporate it into their own, but management/coaching really needs to take a step back and relook at their development model. The goal should be to get the players to be the best version of themselves, not try to fit players into archetype roles that may or may not be suited to their skill sets. I get that the business and sports world are inherently different, but this is the EXACT mistake that managers make with their employees that results in disengagement/good talent leaving or not caring any more.

This isn't an isolated incident either over the past three years. Kassian being told to go hit/fight people more when he was much more of a skill player, Horvat being put in a defensive role and Sutter being given far too many offensive opportunities, Goldobin being benched after a goal, Magna playing with the Sedins, etc. Compound that with seeing your peers rewarded for **** play but their behavior suiting what the coaches/management are looking for (see Sbisa being "physical" in his own end and "tough" in the corners but giving the puck away and getting scored on like crazy), and it just leads to a poor workplace environment where the good talent gets confused/angry while the poor talent is happy. Bad incentive structures lead to bad business, and its not any different for a hockey team.

Yep, this is it. It's clear to outside observers that this organization is poorly run from top to bottom and it's obvious to the players as well. Even putting aside the various ways they jerked him around I have to think that anybody with a chance to move to another organization would take it, especially a young guy trying to build his career.

 

[yvrtojfk]

How many players have bolted back to the KHL in the last 5 or so seasons?

 

[Hit the post]

How many players have bolted back to the KHL in the last 5 or so seasons?

Not as much as when the price of oil was ALOT higher...

 

[clunk]

Not as much as when the price of oil was ALOT higher...

And also the sanctions that cripple the ruble.

 

[Trelane]

Coaches and trainers try to mold players into this or that all time. I hear it's in their job description. Up to the player to be all he can be. Tryamkin didn't have to become an assassin to make it as a successful top 4 NHLer. Everybody always wants more but even token physicality would have sufficed for him to stick and climb the D depth chart, assuming otherwise consistent development. Plenty of gentle giants in the league.

Management coddled him enough as it is. Got decent minutes for a rookie D of his conditioning and skills. Unfortunate but nothing can be done if he doesn't want to be here.

Just hope they don't do something silly to compensate and draft a D with that 1st. OJ, Biega, McEneny and Brisebois are adequate 7-10 for a rebuilding team.

Detroit model > Boston model anyway.

 

[Nomobo]

Probably. 4 years $16 million (Thats $4 million per year for 4 years)
Then Gubrandson 5 years $25 million ($5 million a year for 5 years)

Why? Cause Benning

I see you're pretty good at math.

 

[Chubros]

I think the prime motivation has to be him preferring to live in Russia.

If it were an issue with the organization he would have just asked for a trade.

 

[Ozone]

What a massive, massive, disappointment.

One of the bright lights in the latter half to help overshadow this dark and bleak season.

I'm not looking at placing blame today, and there is a tiny, very tiny shred of hope in the future, but this is a massive loss and disappointment.

Let's see how this affects..a few things going forward.

 

[M2Beezy]

What a massive, massive, disappointment.

One of the bright lights in the latter half to help overshadow this dark and bleak season.

I'm not looking at placing blame today, and there is a tiny, very tiny shred of hope in the future, but this is a massive loss and disappointment.

Let's see how this affects..a few things going forward.

Hopefully NEVER draft another russian for starters

 

[Ozone]

Hopefully NEVER draft another russian for starters

Sometimes you have to roll the dice to win - even when odds are low. Chances of losing are great, but there is always a chance, no matter how small, of winning.

We should never stop rolling the dice altogether, just because we lost this time.

 

[Hit the post]

Sometimes you have to roll the dice to win - even when odds are low. Chances of losing are great, but there is always a chance, no matter how small, of winning.

We should never stop rolling the dice altogether, just because we lost this time.

Maybe Gillis DID have a legitimate reason for the reluctance to draft them - and this was when the price for a barrel of oil was way higher (more KHL teams willing to spend $$$$$ for players).

 

[Donuts]

tryamkin just helping the canucks tank early. Itll be worth it when svechnikov or dahlin becomes a canuck.

 

[Ozone]

Maybe Gilligan DID have a legitimate reason for the reluctance to draft them - and this was when the price for a barrel of oil was way higher (more KHL teams willing to spend $$$$$ for players).

I get what you're saying.

Listen, he was my favourite prospect. Maybe our group screwed up, or maybe this 22 year old just misses his language and home. The latter pisses me off a bit, as he should have know what was to be expected. As of now, I don't buy that we 'screwed' him in any way - probably the opposite.

I'm hugely disappointed. He could have been great in the NHL, and he just might be again - no matter how small the chance.

 

[TruGr1t]

Ferraro lays it out accurately, as per usual: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1...e-reaction-to-tryamkin-narrow-minded-1.729963

 

[ginner classic]

Looks like I am going to be padding my ignore list all off-season.....this time with neanderthal xenophobes as opposed to the garden variety Benning apologists.

The Canucks management probably did not handle this well. Desjardins certainly did not. As for Tryamkin...I can't put myself in his shoes.

I'm pretty upset we lost him for sure.

 

[Chubros]

Hopefully NEVER draft another russian for starters

Even with him bolting for the K, there aren't many players picked after 66th you'd take over him if you were going to re-draft from that position today with the full benefit of hindsight. There is after all, a chance he'll make his way back at some point.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2014e.html

The only player drafted after him with more NHL games to his credit is Viktor Arvidsson at pick #112. Brayden Point stands out, too.

That said, I don't know too much about the rest of the farm fodder. A few players could still break into the league at a later date.

 

[Ozone]

Why would he even mention ice time or being frustrated with the Canucks if that was the case? If all he wants is to go home and possibly play in the Olympics he wouldn't have needed to say anything about ice time or the team not communicating well with him.

Number one: he is 22. Number two: he want's to place blame elsewhere. Why? He's not strong enough, mentally yet, and see number one.

 

[timw33]

Even with him bolting for the K, there aren't many players picked after 66th you'd take over him if you were going to re-draft from that position today with the full benefit of hindsight. There is after all, a chance he'll make his way back at some point.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2014e.html

The only player drafted after him with more NHL games to his credit is Viktor Arvidsson at pick #112. Brayden Point stands out, too.

That said, I don't know too much about the rest of the farm fodder. A few players could still break into the league at a later date.

Many were hoping for Point. There was a "how would you have drafted" thread in the days after the 2014 draft and 80% had Point. And 95% had better drafts than the Canucks.

 

[PancakeHero]

This is on Tryamkin. Nobody else. Except maybe the fact they drafted a Russian.

 

[PancakeHero]

Ferraro lays it out accurately, as per usual: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1...e-reaction-to-tryamkin-narrow-minded-1.729963

Awww. The poor guy. Only made 1.85 million for a little more than a season's work.