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Player Discussion: Nikita Kucherov - Part 3

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* Nikita Kucherov (41-79—120 in 68 GP) became the second active player to post multiple 120-point seasons (also 128 in 2018-19), joining Connor McDavid (2x).
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* Nikita Kucherov became the fourth player, born outside North America, in NHL history to record multiple 120-point seasons, joining Jaromir Jagr (4x), Peter Stastny (3x) and Jari Kurri (2x).
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* Nikita Kucherov hit the 80-assist mark for the third time in his career (also 2022-23 & 2018-19). He became the seventh player in NHL history with at least three 80-assist seasons, joining Wayne Gretzky (14x; most: 163 in 1985-86), Mario Lemieux (6x; most: 114 in 1988-89), Bobby Orr (5x; most: 102 in 1970-71), Paul Coffey (4x; most: 90 in 1985-86), Adam Oates (3x; most: 97 in 1992-93) and Denis Savard (3x; most: 87 in 1987-88 & 1981-82).
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DFC said:
Some of the lists he's getting on are insane. If this guy played in Canada...

Is he not the best playmaking winger of all time?
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Well, he just needs seven more assists to break the record of most assists by a winger in a season. Which is tied at 87 between Jagr and Kucherov of course.
 
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JoVel said:
Well, he just needs seven more assists to break the record of most assists by a winger in a season. Which is tied at 87 between Jagr and Kucherov of course.
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Right, so he's likely to blow by a record he already holds. Jagr also set that record the year Mario had one of the craziest seasons in NHL history.
 
Bit of a blink-and-you-missed-it moment given his recent scoring surge, but Kucherov (851 + 160) recently passed the 1,000 total points in the NHL threshold.
 
DrMartinVanNostrand said:
Bit of a blink-and-you-missed-it moment given his recent scoring surge, but Kucherov (851 + 160) recently passed the 1,000 total points in the NHL threshold.
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Wow, he has a real shot at breaking 1000 regular season points next year.

And that playoff total would he HOF worthy if he never played another post season game.
 
DFC said:
Some of the lists he's getting on are insane. If this guy played in Canada...

Is he not the best playmaking winger of all time?
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I mean... Gordie Howe.

After that we're talking Jagr, Bathgate, and Lafleur. From a playmaking perspective? Could definitely put him in that group.
 
The Macho King said:
I mean... Gordie Howe.

After that we're talking Jagr, Bathgate, and Lafleur. From a playmaking perspective? Could definitely put him in that group.
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Honestly never thought of Howe as a playmaker, but I'm only going by the mainstream narrative. It's not a thing that gets brought up.

Kucherov just hit 80 assists for the 3rd time, which I believe is more than any other winger. Barring catastrophe he should hold the single season record after this season (for a winger). Feels like he's right there in the conversation, if not peeking above the crowd.
 
DFC said:
Honestly never thought of Howe as a playmaker, but I'm only going by the mainstream narrative. It's not a thing that gets brought up.

Kucherov just hit 80 assists for the 3rd time, which I believe is more than any other winger. Barring catastrophe he should hold the single season record after this season (for a winger). Feels like he's right there in the conversation, if not peeking above the crowd.
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Howe led the league in assists like 4 times, which is a lot. Seasons were way shorter then and scoring was lower but he definitely was a playmaker.
 
The Macho King said:
Howe led the league in assists like 4 times, which is a lot. Seasons were way shorter then and scoring was lower but he definitely was a playmaker.
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Didnt they also only count primary assists in his first few years in the league?

Edit: I was wrong, they started counting before that. Was the NHL just stingier with giving out assists through the 50s?
 
DFC said:
Didnt they also only count primary assists in his first few years in the league?
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No but assist counts were a little wonky. You see it more notably during the war years, but I don't know if secondary assists were standardized like they are now.
 
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Honestly never thought of Howe as a playmaker, but I'm only going by the mainstream narrative. It's not a thing that gets brought up.

Kucherov just hit 80 assists for the 3rd time, which I believe is more than any other winger. Barring catastrophe he should hold the single season record after this season (for a winger). Feels like he's right there in the conversation, if not peeking above the crowd.
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Yeah, first time I've ever heard Howe (Post-Gretzky)described as the best ever at any one thing, I've always thought his legacy compared to other Hall of Famers was his toughness.
 
Rschmitz said:
Yeah, first time I've ever heard Howe (Post-Gretzky)described as the best ever at any one thing, I've always thought his legacy compared to other Hall of Famers was his toughness.
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goal-scoring for sure, and just being a beast of a power forward. But he did lead the league in assists four times as a winger, which definitely has to put him in the conversation. The totals are weird, but if they're leading the league, they're leading the league.

In the modern era I feel like the bar is Jagr. Or at least he's a reasonable one. Not sure if Kucherov has surpassed him in terms of playmaking, but he's gotta be right there.
 
DFC said:
goal-scoring for sure, and just being a beast of a power forward. But he did lead the league in assists four times as a winger, which definitely has to put him in the conversation. The totals are weird, but if they're leading the league, they're leading the league.

In the modern era I feel like the bar is Jagr. Or at least he's a reasonable one. Not sure if Kucherov has surpassed him in terms of playmaking, but he's gotta be right there.
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Twice and one tie, sandwiched between Olmstead and Bentley who were also wingers.

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I mean...for basically his entire NHL career there were only 6 teams and more limited roster sizes. I don't know if that's a metric that makes sense to try and quantify
 
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Kuch Is playing at a level like no other rw in history. KUCH is set to break his own record and jagrs record record of 87 assist in a season. Jagr had lemiex and petr nedved on his line each scoring over 40 goals each . Kuch has point and whoever they rotate with him lol. Kucherov is a generational talent. We are so damn lucky Yzerman got him and Cooper developed him in the ahl and nhl.
 

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I wonder how much faster he would have turned into this beast if he had had a coach that appreciated young talent. For that matter Drouin too.
 
StammerHammer said:
I wonder how much faster he would have turned into this beast if he had had a coach that appreciated young talent. For that matter Drouin too.
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I don't think there'd be much of a difference, other than some coaches giving him more ice time in his rookie year. I don't have any problems with his usage of Kucherov since then.
 
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This was definitely a crucial part of Kucherov's development.

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JT Brown is part of the Kraken TV broadcast now. The other night versus Vegas they were discussing the MVP race and JT was all about Kucherov. Forslund (sp?) supports the MacKinnon narrative, but, JT still has Kucherovs back.

It was really kind of heartwarming.
 
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JT Brown is part of the Kraken TV broadcast now. The other night versus Vegas they were discussing the MVP race and JT was all about Kucherov. Forslund (sp?) supports the MacKinnon narrative, but, JT still has Kucherovs back.

It was really kind of heartwarming.
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Of course JT Brown backs Kucherov, since he made Kucherov into the player he is today, as proven by the stat above.
 
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