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Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy
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How is he not a threat? Maybe you meant to say you don't thin he'll overtake him - but he's absolutely a threat.
He's 13 points back - but has 5 games in hand. If he hits his season ppg in those 5 games - that would put him 5 point back of Kucherov with 22 games to go. I'd argue McDavid is a bigger threat than MacKinnon is right now.
As to how it plays out - obviously, it can go either way, but all 3 are definitely in the running.
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Great point, I enjoy the various use of excuses on this site it just goes to show that trophy votes mean little to nothing so long as you come up with various excuses to fit your narrative as for facts? Pfft, meaningless when it comes to dog ate my homework
Nathaniel Skywalker
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Whats funny as you have been spewing this 13 points back with 5 games in hand. But don't say anything when it comes to crosby losing by 3 points with 5 games less. Hypocrisy at its finest
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wow...kuch is underrated for sure
if the bolts do make the playoffs...not sure how kuch loses
thats a huge if btw
I had to fully process reading 'Kucherov 1st to 100 points' on the NHL website. Crazy how we went from 2014 to here points scoring wise.
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Mac - 649 Points
Kucherov - 597 Points
Kucherov - 1.43 PPG
Mac - 1.39 PPG
Kucherov - 118 PO Points
Mac - 90 PO Points
Mac - 1.29 PO PPG
Kucherov - 1.22 PO PPG
Where is your sarcasm now?
Logic gap.
People here aren't saying "it's not fair to McDavid, less games played, boohoo".
People here are saying - McDavid will play those games in hand. So it makes sense to guess at how many points he makes up.
It's not the same. Crosby missed games - McDavid didn't. Whether he can make up the point gap with the games in hands remains to be seen, but unless you're predicting McDavid to miss 5 games to injury before end of season, this comparison makes no sense
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Agree, but minor correction. McDavid did miss two games (Kuch missed one), so he's only going to play at most 80 games to MacK's 82 and Kuch's 81...
But your broader point is correct, winning it is winning it.. you need both skill and health.
This is still very much a 3 horse race. McD only needs a 5 game 2 point/night heater with his games at hand (the one's he'll actually get to play) and he'd effectively be within 3 points of Kuch with 16 games left.
But speaking for all Oiler fans, I just want to see effective 5v5 play from now until the end of the season... McD has been leading by example and that needs to continue.
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i think that all three of these guys are pretty good, and ...oh for the leafs fans that are lurking, matthews is a pretty good goalscorer too and also great at defense and and and
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I still think Kucherov is likely to hang on and if Tampa plays better and starts winning more consistently to finish the season, Kucherov has a great chance at the Hart.
McDavid can never be counted out but he will have to stop hitting the post so much. I think he has hit like 5 in the last week and a half, maybe not that much, but I think he had 3 in one game and 1 in another recently, hard to catch up when you are not scoring any goals. Although if he keeps getting 2 assists every game you never know.
MacKinnon is still in it also although he has slowed a bit.
It should be a crazy finish though, we have seen so many things change quick this season, 25 games seems like a marathon still.
McDavid can never be counted out but he will have to stop hitting the post so much. I think he has hit like 5 in the last week and a half, maybe not that much, but I think he had 3 in one game and 1 in another recently, hard to catch up when you are not scoring any goals. Although if he keeps getting 2 assists every game you never know.
MacKinnon is still in it also although he has slowed a bit.
It should be a crazy finish though, we have seen so many things change quick this season, 25 games seems like a marathon still.
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Not exactly a correction.
McDavid has 6 games less than Kucherov today - but only has 5 games to make up since he missed 2 vs 1 for Kucherov, and as you say Kucherov will play 81 and McDavid 80 (assuming no more missed time).
But yes it's absolutely still a 3 horse race - and it's a 4 horse race including Matthews if we're talking Hart. They're all within striking distance to win Ross (not Matthews) and Hart.
I had to go look up Kucherov's career stats just now. I did think he'd be a bit closer to 1,000 points (831 as of today), but had he not been injured in 2019/20 and 2021/22 -- and that's with the 2020/21 regular season he missed entirely -- it's quite likely he would have just clinched his sixth straight 100-point season. Amazing.
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You said "Crosby missed games, McDavid didn't"... but he did miss two = "minor correction".
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Missing the entirety of 2020-2021 (or even playing all 56 games for that matter) would have snapped that streak either way if he was magically not injured in 2019-2020 and 2021-2022. We can play the what if game for every player (McDavid could be working on his eighth consecutive 100 point and that’s WITH only 56 games available in 2020-2021 if not for injury and COVID stopping play in 2019-2020).
Kucherov has accomplished too much to even worry about it.
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You know what he’s talking about either way. @Nathaniel whined about Crosby’s embarrassing loss to Benn (and Tavares) by framing it as a comparison between 5 games in hand vs 5 total games missed. When you read the chain, it’s clear what is being commented on.
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Of course I know what he was talking about either way... I read the chain... I made a 'minor correction' and then proceeded to agree with his broader point. <-- [did you not read my original post?]
I made that 'minor correction' because it's worth noting that McD has missed a couple of games (and incidentally played injured for a string thereafter) and no Oiler fans are using that as any excuse. That's also consistent with his broader point.
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Bobholly was wrong plain and simple. In his analogy mcdavid only has 3 games to make up 14 points
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People don’t understand how great a season Kucherov is really having. Especially if we consider these levels from when Gretzky entered to now and use them to compare players from their respective seasons.
1979-80 to 2023-24 average:
EVG: 2.21, PPG: 0.75, SHG: 0.11
Based off of these levels if you adjust to this average environment there are only 12 seasons better in terms of points from 1980-2024 than what Kucherov is pacing to do. Those being 7 Gretzky seasons, 2 Lemieux seasons, 2 Jagr seasons and 1 McDavid season. 144 in 81 is what Kucherov’s season is worth for pace. The highest being 167 in 80 by Gretzky in ‘86.
Anyone losing to a season like that is not embarrassing at all. Especially when McDavid has two seasons better on a per game basis. Jamie Benn’s season is worth 102 in 82 by these standards. Considering McDavid’s is right there with Kucherov’s 144 even with the injury handicap I think he’s doing better than Sid in terms of avoiding colossal failure.
How was I wrong?
Kucherov played 59 games so far, McDavid 53.
Assuming no more missed games to either player:
Kucherov will play 22 more games (for 81 total).
McDavid will play 27 more games (for 80 total).
27 - 22 = 5. Not 3, but 5.
McDavid has 5 games in hand on Kucherov.
5 games multiplied by McDavid's ppg this season (1.68) is 8 points. Assuming he gets exactly 8 points in those 5 games, it means he'd need to find a way to make up an extra 5 points in the remaining 22 games.
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DownIsTheNewUp
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As a big McDavid fan I’ll say the race is over. Kucherov has shown no reason why he l slow down
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