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Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

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GrandmaCookie said:
Sometimes I wonder if age is the only reason Kucherov is never in the discussion for best player in the league.
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There are obviously several things in play but I think one thing that matters is the player's draft number and rookie production. The shadow they cast lasts a really long time -- both in positive and negative cases. It takes way longer for players like Kucherov, St. Louis and Datsyuk to get premier roster sports and TOI as well as recognition if they do show that they are the real deal. Conversely, franchises give top draft picks ample chances and time even though the talent (or sometimes effort/dedication) just isn't on par with the draft status (see Yakupov, Puljujärvi, Kakko, Lafreniere).

Kucherov was on an outstanding trajectory to claim the best player of the league status having posted 100 and 128 point seasons. He then continued with a 7th place finish in the scoring race (8th in ppg). I suppose that's when his bubble bursted to some extent and he fell back into the contention for the 2nd best player.
 
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hamzarocks said:
He hasnt that is the pt

Kucherov doesnt get talked about as the best player in the league b/c he, Mack, Drai, Matthews (2021, 2022 and 2024) are hard to decide who the best player is between that group after Mcdavid

He won't get thought as best player in the league when there are 3 guys pretty comparable with him vs Mcdavid who has seperated himself
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lmao one of those thing is not like the other, don't care if you omit 2023 it still happened.
 
Calderon said:
There are obviously several things in play but I think one thing that matters is the player's draft number and rookie production. The shadow they cast lasts a really long time -- both in positive and negative cases. It takes way longer for players like Kucherov, St. Louis and Datsyuk to get premier roster sports and TOI as well as recognition if they do show that they are the real deal. Conversely, franchises give top draft picks ample chances and time even though the talent (or sometimes effort/dedication) just isn't on par with the draft status (see Yakupov, Puljujärvi, Kakko, Lafreniere).
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Of course NHL team are going to be more patient with their top pick and give them more chance, money and reputation is at play, but we aren't NHL GMs whose career depends on such things, so rationally we might say Kucherov haven't separated himself as the clear #2, but how can we say that he hasn't at least proven to be as good as them?

Five Alarm Fire said:
Position is always the tie-breaker when things are too close to call.
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I build a team from scratch I take Mackinnon before Kucherov because of age, attitude and to an extend position. My point is just that those shouldn't has I saw it matters in a discussion about who is the best or second best player right now in the league.
 
Kucherov should be the clear favourite for the Hart as well.

He's got 40 more points than any teammate, and is leading the league in points.

I like McKinnon but he's got Rantanen and Makar, he's not leading the league in points or goals or assists. Matthews would need to get 70 goals and even then it's still a conversation. Mcdavid would need to blow past Kuch in points.
 
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Kucherov is on track to lead the Bolts in scoring by around 52 points. That would be historic. Only eight players in NHL history have ever led their team in scoring by a 50+ point margin. It's only happened twice in the past 30 years (take a guess as to who).

Fun fact - Gretzky led his team in by 50+ points eight times. Every other player in all of NHL history combined did that nine times in total.
 
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Hockey Outsider said:
Kucherov is on track to lead the Bolts in scoring by around 52 points. That would be historic. Only eight players in NHL history have ever led their team in scoring by a 50+ point margin. It's only happened twice in the past 30 years (take a guess as to who).

Fun fact - Gretzky led his team in by 50+ points eight times. Every other player in all of NHL history combined did that nine times in total.
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Weird, I've read on here that he was a product of a great team...

McDavid needs 13 in 6 now (prob 14 due to goal dif). I don't know...Kuch is not really slowing down.
 
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26 points in his last 13 games. Might be too tough a nut for McDavid to crack, let alone MacKinnon. Kuch just had a three game streak of only two points (and minus 8, yikes), but the competition just didn't take advantage of it well enough. The gap to Connor is back at 13 points. Sure there are games in hand but as it stands, McDavid should amass 13 points in the 5 in-hand games just to get even (ignoring the tie break).
 
Calderon said:
. It takes way longer for players like Kucherov, St. Louis and Datsyuk to get premier roster sports and TOI as well as recognition if they do show that they are the real deal.
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For the recognition part, the Art Ross win can tend to rapidly break any mental block we can have, Brad Marchand would be another example of one that get hard to adjust too.
 
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GrandmaCookie said:
I build a team from scratch I take Mackinnon before Kucherov because of age, attitude and to an extend position. My point is just that those shouldn't has I saw it matters in a discussion about who is the best or second best player right now in the league.
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Position I can get behind, age isn't a big difference though, and attitude? Come on this isn't the skills competition. Kucherov has been the most clutch playoff performer over the last 5 seasons. His attitude is do whatever it takes to win. Yes, he went baby mode in 2019 but the entire team sucked ass against Columbus. Mackinnon and Clutcherov are very similar when it comes to attitude. They both want to win more than anyone else on their teams and they push their respective teams to be better. There is a reason Kucherov was given an A on his sweater.
 
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KuchieKooRov said:
Position I can get behind, age isn't a big difference though, and attitude? Come on this isn't the skills competition. Kucherov has been the most clutch playoff performer over the last 5 seasons. His attitude is do whatever it takes to win. Yes, he went baby mode in 2019 but the entire team sucked ass against Columbus. Mackinnon and Clutcherov are very similar when it comes to attitude. They both want to win more than anyone else on their teams and they push their respective teams to be better. There is a reason Kucherov was given an A on his sweater.
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Then why so many people say he is an asshole? I don’t give a shit honestly my point is he is at least #2 right now, but not in my top 4 long term to build a team around.
 
Hockey Outsider said:
Kucherov is on track to lead the Bolts in scoring by around 52 points. That would be historic. Only eight players in NHL history have ever led their team in scoring by a 50+ point margin. It's only happened twice in the past 30 years (take a guess as to who).

Fun fact - Gretzky led his team in by 50+ points eight times. Every other player in all of NHL history combined did that nine times in total.
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i thought ovechkin did it but he was short one point in 05-06. bure did it in 2000-01. who's the other?
 
GrandmaCookie said:
Then why so many people say he is an asshole? I don’t give a shit honestly my point is he is at least #2 right now, but not in my top 4 long term to build a team around.
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Btw, I can get behind your assessment of taking Mackinnon over Kucherov. I'd probably do the same but the attitude thing is just a salty narrative that you hear from whiny fans. He is also an emotional guy who doesnt hide how he feels. He made fun of SOME Montréal fans after their game 4 win and the entire fan base took it to heart. Remember they burned/flipped police cars during that run. I'd have made fun of them too. Act like you have been here before Montréal. 😜
 
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