Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

[daver]

Stop being a clown. McDavid won those are rosses. He also lead the league in PPG for those seasons, so it wasn't like the other players could have won. Just like this year, McDavid isn't the leading the league in PPG, so he doesn't have that excuse. All you can do is give your flowers to kucherov and MacKinnon this season, just like McDavid during those seasons.

It's great that you take the time to figure out how to insult someone vs. actually reading the post I responded to.

 

[daver]

I'm a little disappointed that McDavid won't win his sixth Art Ross because to do so puts him up with the immortals -- Howe and Lemieux. But, I guess, he'll have more chances in the future...

I'm not sure how I feel about Kucherov's 15-or-whatever empty-net points.

Perhaps the same way you felt after McDavid won the Ross in 17/18 after a mediocre 3/4s of the season that saw his team not make the playoffs. Kucherov took his foot off the gas that year.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Perhaps the same way you felt after McDavid won the Ross in 17/18 after a mediocre 3/4s of the season that saw his team not make the playoffs. Kucherov took his foot off the gas that year.

lol, and you know this how?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

It's great that you take the time to figure out how to insult someone vs. actually reading the post I responded to.

Nah it was a silly post trying to dismiss McDavid's accomplishments with a bunch of made up "what if" scenarios

 

[Muffin]

So MacKinnon is the worst of the three defensively, then? Hurts the arguments that he's a great two-way player, as well as his Hart arguments.

That makes no sense. MacKinnon is out there to defend close games against an empty net everytime. It just means that Colorado plays less close games. They lead the league in wins with a 3+ goal margin.

 

[slapKing]

It's great that you take the time to figure out how to insult someone vs. actually reading the post I responded to.

Everyone knows your MO. You try to discredit McDavid or try to give him backhand compliments. It's not going to work. Plus, you're giving hypotheticals to players that weren't on pace to win the art ross.

Kudos to mack and kuch btw. Awesome seasons by them.

 

[Acallabeth]

I'm not sure how I feel about Kucherov's 15-or-whatever empty-net points. Of course, every top player gets his empty net points, but Kucherov's case is a bit weird -- he was already racking up near-record numbers of EN points before this past month, when the Lightning were still struggling for a wild-card playoff spot. In other words, despite facing relatively few empty nets (fewer, you'd think, than MacKinnon or McDavid), Kucherov was still getting huge numbers of empty-net points. In other words, there must have been some degree of a concerted Lightning effort (players and coach) to get him those EN points...

I don't get this obsession with EN points.
EN points are, by definition, scored at the very end of close games. They are some of the most important points you can possibly score, unlike, say, points on 4th, 5th and 6th goals in a 7-1 blowout.
Team getting the puck to their best player to put the game out of reach seems common sense too.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

That makes no sense. MacKinnon is out there to defend close games against an empty net everytime. It just means that Colorado plays less close games. They lead the league in wins with a 3+ goal margin.

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so this completely discredits the EN point negativity issue since kuch gets them more often due to the necessity. thanks.

 

[JLo217]

Mack leads Even strength points out of all the leaders by 5+. Kucherov is somewhere around 5th or 6th overall in that stat. It's been funny seeing Tampa fans arguing that Mack is a PP merchant lol.

 

[Muffin]

so this completely discredits the EN point negativity issue since kuch gets them more often due to the necessity. thanks.

I mean if Kucherov scored more with the goalie in the other team wouldn't pull their goalie?

If MacKinnon only scored 2 with the goalie in last night then scored the hat trick goal with the empty net I'd think most people would say that's less impressive than what he did.

 

[McShogun99]

Kucherov is a man on a mission. 10 games ago it looked like 100 assists and 150 points would be impossible. Now 100 assists is probably happening with an outside chance of 150 points. If Kucherov wins the scoring race and hits 100 assists then you have to give him the Harr.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

I mean if Kucherov scored more with the goalie in the other team wouldn't pull their goalie?

If MacKinnon only scored 2 with the goalie in last night then scored the hat trick goal with the empty net I'd think most people would say that's less impressive than what he did.

so kucherov leads mack in scoring, but he's just not scoring enough to be better than mack. got it.

 

[Soul Assumption]

Mack leads Even strength points out of all the leaders by 5+. Kucherov is somewhere around 5th or 6th overall in that stat. It's been funny seeing Tampa fans arguing that Mack is a PP merchant lol.

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[RussianGuyovich]

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please dont bother @JLo217 with the facts

 

[Master P]

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The eye test adds a few extra points.

 

[daver]

Everyone knows your MO. You try to discredit McDavid or try to give him backhand compliments. It's not going to work. Plus, you're giving hypotheticals to players that weren't on pace to win the art ross.

Kudos to mack and kuch btw. Awesome seasons by them.

So calling out posters for making excuses for McDavid is discrediting McDavid?

 

[Acallabeth]

If MacKinnon only scored 2 with the goalie in last night then scored the hat trick goal with the empty net I'd think most people would say that's less impressive than what he did.

I'd argue the opposite, running up the score in the last minute of a won game is less impressive than scoring an ENG in a competitive game.

 

[Zwui21]

I'm not sure how I feel about Kucherov's 15-or-whatever empty-net points. Of course, every top player gets his empty net points, but Kucherov's case is a bit weird -- he was already racking up near-record numbers of EN points before this past month, when the Lightning were still struggling for a wild-card playoff spot. In other words, despite facing relatively few empty nets (fewer, you'd think, than MacKinnon or McDavid), Kucherov was still getting huge numbers of empty-net points. In other words, there must have been some degree of a concerted Lightning effort (players and coach) to get him those EN points...

These arguments are so futile, especially if you look at Tampa in the recent past.
We were getting scored on a lot more at 5v6 in the first half of the season, protecting the lead in the latest minutes of the game was an issue.
Cooper started relying on Kucherov a ton in those situations and magically Tampa is winning most games, protecting the lead and securing the score with ENGs instead of getting scored on.
Maybe, just maybe, Kuch happens to be very effective in those situations, as well as 5v5 and on the PP? And why should a team not play a player in a situation where he excels?

If we start cherrypicking what points have more value at this extent, we might as well start considering the points you get in blowout victories as less valuable due to the fact that your team is gonna win the game anyway? And obviously the opposing team is letting goals in very easily? Of course not, because that would be dumb. Same with empty net points.
(Especially when you actually watch the Lightning games and see that most Kuch ENP come from great efforts and plays)

 

[RussianGuyovich]

(Especially when you actually watch the Lighting games and see that most Kuch ENP come from great efforts and plays)

sorry, @Zwui21, but sadly we already lost the eye test

 

[Muffin]

I'd argue the opposite, running up the score in the last minute of a won game is less impressive than scoring an ENG in a competitive game.

How is it running up the score? It's the goal that makes it a 3 goal game?

 

[keglu]

I don't get this obsession with EN points.
EN points are, by definition, scored at the very end of close games. They are some of the most important points you can possibly score, unlike, say, points on 4th, 5th and 6th goals in a 7-1 blowout.
Team getting the puck to their best player to put the game out of reach seems common sense too.

They are pretty meaningless in 2goals advantage situation which probably is round 50% of the cases. And obviously they are easier to get so it's like PP on steroids and PP points are also often treated as less valuable.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

How is it running up the score? It's the goal that makes it a 3 goal game?

its the altitude. points are worth less up there. sorry

 

[User9992]

96 Assists so far. Needs 4 Assists in 4 remaining games to reach 100 Assists!

Never done before by any winger in history! Highest Assists by a winger were 87 Assists by Jagr in 1995-96 when he played with Mario Lemieux!

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

I'd argue the opposite, running up the score in the last minute of a won game is less impressive than scoring an ENG in a competitive game.

Now goals against a goalie are LESS impressive than ENG, now I've heard everything.

I don't buy the "ENG merchant" narrative but let's be clear, its a lot harder to score on a goaltender than into an empty net.

Now ENG are important - I also don't buy the "they are the MOST IMPORTANT GOALS" bs that some posters are trying to speak into existence, but they are important.

GWG are the most important goals, followed by the ones that were necessary on a goaltender before that, and lastly ENG seal the deal but are not always necessary nor as impressive as goals on a goalie.

Pts are points and you take them however you can get them, its super impressive that Kucherov is so good at getting in on those ENG, but no way would anyone ever say 2+1 ENG is more impressive than 3 goals vs an NHL goaltender, no way


For the record it was the last minute of the 2nd period....he scored his 3rd goal in the 2nd period. You aren't running up the score at that point,, you're giving yourself a cushion and we have seen many 3+ goal comebacks in the NHL this year. That was still an important goal

 

[Muffin]

96 Assists so far. Needs 4 Assists in 4 remaining games to reach 100 Assists!

Never done before by any winger in history! Highest Assists by a winger were 87 Assists by Jagr in 1995-96 when he played with Mario Lemieux!

Why is everyone talking about this assist thing like is important? Pretty sure it's more impressive to score 50 goals and 90 assists than 40 goals and 100 assists? Maybe McDavid and Kucherov should score more goals?

Thought it's widely accepted goals are more impressive than assists?