Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

[WalterLundy]

That same idiot didn’t have either McDavid or Matthews in his top 5 in 21-22 either. The association should really think about taking away his voting ability since he seems to want to use it just to generate clicks

I remember reading about that back when it happened. If you read online about his ridiculous voting history it’s apparent he is a contrarian and really messed up. It’s disgusting.

 

[T REX]

To have the leading scorer in the NHL outside your top 5 Hart should get your voting privileges revoked. Other sports have done it for obvious BS.

Gotta hold these guys to a standard.

 

[Regal]

I remember reading about that back when it happened. If you read online about his ridiculous voting history it’s apparent he is a contrarian and really messed up. It’s disgusting.

Yea, I mean, you don’t want to punish people for having a different view point because that’s why you want a pool of voters, but at a certain point it seems insincere and purposefully contradictory.

 

[Regal]

To have the leading scorer in the NHL outside your top 5 Hart should get your voting privileges revoked. Other sports have done it for obvious BS.

Gotta hold these guys to a standard.

To be fair, there’s a bunch of years where the Art Ross winner didn’t get many Hart votes and I don’t think they were necessarily undeserved snubs (Benn, St.Louis ‘13, Gretzky ‘94). I find it a stretch to put anyone but the top 3 over each other this year though.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Yea, I mean, you don’t want to punish people for having a different view point because that’s why you want a pool of voters, but at a certain point it seems insincere and purposefully contradictory.

Rorabaugh seems to have a pattern of bias against McDavid:

• 2018: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 79 of 164 ballots).
• 2019: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 110 of 171 ballots).
• 2020: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 96 or 170 ballots).
• 2022: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 190 of 195 ballots).
• 2023: he was the only voter (out of 196) who didn't give McDavid a first place vote (he ranked him 5th)

I like a good contrarian argument, and there's no point in having close to 200 voters if we expect everyone to vote the same way. At the same time, there seems to be a consistent pattern here. And I can't find any self-consistent argument that would keep McDavid out of the top four in each of the past six seasons (except for 2021).

 

[Coffey]

but at a certain point it seems insincere and purposefully contradictory.

I wonder what his HF username is

Rorabaugh seems to have a pattern of bias against McDavid:

• 2018: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 79 of 164 ballots).
• 2019: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 110 of 171 ballots).
• 2020: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 96 or 170 ballots).
• 2022: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 190 of 195 ballots).
• 2023: he was the only voter (out of 196) who didn't give McDavid a first place vote (he ranked him 5th)

I like a good contrarian argument, and there's no point in having close to 200 voters if we expect everyone to vote the same way. At the same time, there seems to be a consistent pattern here. And I can't find any self-consistent argument that would keep McDavid out of the top four in each of the past six seasons (except for 2021).

I think he did something similar with Matthews too

 

[Regal]

Rorabaugh seems to have a pattern of bias against McDavid:

• 2018: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 79 of 164 ballots).
• 2019: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 110 of 171 ballots).
• 2020: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 96 or 170 ballots).
• 2022: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 190 of 195 ballots).
• 2023: he was the only voter (out of 196) who didn't give McDavid a first place vote (he ranked him 5th)

I like a good contrarian argument, and there's no point in having close to 200 voters if we expect everyone to vote the same way. At the same time, there seems to be a consistent pattern here. And I can't find any self-consistent argument that would keep McDavid out of the top four in each of the past six seasons (except for 2021).

And if we’re looking for reasons for it, a writer with Pittsburgh (read:Crosby) connections downplaying the accomplishments of McDavid isn’t exactly a stretch.

 

[T REX]

Rorabaugh seems to have a pattern of bias against McDavid:

• 2018: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 79 of 164 ballots).
• 2019: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 110 of 171 ballots).
• 2020: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 96 or 170 ballots).
• 2022: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 190 of 195 ballots).
• 2023: he was the only voter (out of 196) who didn't give McDavid a first place vote (he ranked him 5th)

I like a good contrarian argument, and there's no point in having close to 200 voters if we expect everyone to vote the same way. At the same time, there seems to be a consistent pattern here. And I can't find any self-consistent argument that would keep McDavid out of the top four in each of the past six seasons (except for 2021).

The NFL would have revoked his voting privileges. Gotta have some ethics and standards. How old? Maybe some early brain issues?

 

[Coffey]

The NFL would have revoked his voting privileges. Gotta have some ethics and standards. How old? Maybe some early brain issues?

He's in his mid-late 40s.

 

[AgeIess]

Rorabaugh seems to have a pattern of bias against McDavid:

• 2018: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 79 of 164 ballots).
• 2019: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 110 of 171 ballots).
• 2020: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 96 or 170 ballots).
• 2022: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 190 of 195 ballots).
• 2023: he was the only voter (out of 196) who didn't give McDavid a first place vote (he ranked him 5th)

I like a good contrarian argument, and there's no point in having close to 200 voters if we expect everyone to vote the same way. At the same time, there seems to be a consistent pattern here. And I can't find any self-consistent argument that would keep McDavid out of the top four in each of the past six seasons (except for 2021).

This Seth guy is doing gods work!

 

[DFC]

Rorabaugh seems to have a pattern of bias against McDavid:

• 2018: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 79 of 164 ballots).
• 2019: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 110 of 171 ballots).
• 2020: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 96 or 170 ballots).
• 2022: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 190 of 195 ballots).
• 2023: he was the only voter (out of 196) who didn't give McDavid a first place vote (he ranked him 5th)

I like a good contrarian argument, and there's no point in having close to 200 voters if we expect everyone to vote the same way. At the same time, there seems to be a consistent pattern here. And I can't find any self-consistent argument that would keep McDavid out of the top four in each of the past six seasons (except for 2021).

Is this a "I refuse to add fuel to the argument that McDavid is better than Crosby" type guy?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Rorabaugh seems to have a pattern of bias against McDavid:

• 2018: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 79 of 164 ballots).
• 2019: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 110 of 171 ballots).
• 2020: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 96 or 170 ballots).
• 2022: he didn't include McDavid (who was named on 190 of 195 ballots).
• 2023: he was the only voter (out of 196) who didn't give McDavid a first place vote (he ranked him 5th)

I like a good contrarian argument, and there's no point in having close to 200 voters if we expect everyone to vote the same way. At the same time, there seems to be a consistent pattern here. And I can't find any self-consistent argument that would keep McDavid out of the top four in each of the past six seasons (except for 2021).

They gave Nathanial Skywalker a hart trophy ballot?

 

[daver]

Correct. PPP are important to winning an Art Ross. And this year McDavids time has been diminished which is letting Kucherov take over. McDavid still has the highest PPP/60 out of the three.

Thanks for bringing the pts/60 argument into the mix. That makes choosing the best player a lot easier. Kucherov has the higher overall pts/60 this season.

BTW, here are some of McDavid's pts/60 finishes in other years:

16/17 - 4th
17/18 - 6th
18/19 - 5th
19/20 - 2nd
21/22 - 8th

 

[Summer Rose]

Like usual, right? Perfect harmony on the hf boards.

I hear a tritone, personally.

 

[Summer Rose]

Time is a flat circle.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so.

 

[bobbyking]

Panarin and Pastrnak's paces would have won them the Art Ross in 12 of the 18 seasons since the '05-06 lockout, and they're sitting 4th and 5th this season, 20+ points back.

what a stupid post, pat LaFontaines 148 point season wins the Ross every year except mcdavids during the same time frame.

 

[Rschmitz]

IMO Kucherov will need to hit 100+ assists and win the Ross by double digits to win the Hart, and even then I don't trust voters to do the right thing considering past trophy voting.

 

[daver]

IMO Kucherov will need to hit 100+ assists and win the Ross by double digits to win the Hart, and even then I don't trust voters to do the right thing considering past trophy voting.

Such as?

 

[Signupnow]

Such as?

Due doughty is not invented from nowhere.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

due doughty was due, just like mack.

 

[Wester]

Due doughty is not invented from nowhere.

Or Fleury over Vasi

 

[Rschmitz]

Such as?

Do you really need examples?

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

No b ias

Remember when “The Hockey News” had Kucherov ranked as the 22nd best player at the beginning of the season? Those are also the guys who vote on the Hart.

May as well make it a participation trophy and have the fans vote on it like the allstar game. John Scott for mvp every year.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

it is nice to know that, when mack inevitably wins the hart trophy, it will be the exact same feeling as when i sip into my "world's greatest dad" coffee mug

 

[The Macho King]

My biggest problem with all of this is how it's MacKinnon and not McDavid that is the favorite for the Hart.

McDuevid is such a better chirp than MacDuennon.

Edit: Wait DueKinnon is pretty good?