Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

[Senor Catface]

Pace is not an actual number SMDH

Shake my....what... hard?

 

[Despote]

Will be surprised if MacKinnon doesn't pot up 3-4 points against Columbus tomorrow.

 

[T REX]

Shake my....what... hard?

Pace is an average...not an actual number.

Ask any statistician. Pace ends at the last game played. You can EXTRAPOLATE a theoretical number using pace but it is not REAL.

Google it. PACE=FAKE

 

[Senor Catface]

Pace is an average...not an actual number.

Ask any statistician. Pace ends at the last game played. You can EXTRAPOLATE a theoretical number using pace but it is not REAL.

Google it. PACE=FAKE

Haha I understood. I was making a joke about the acronym.

 

[T REX]

Haha I understood. I was making a joke about the acronym.

my bad...posters use the pace stat on here like it's bible...when in fact it's a theoretical number

 

[cupface52]

A difference of 0.07 is like 0.7 points in 10 games. So its not a given.

It's a difference of 143 points in 80 games and 141 points in 82 games.



I think the difference comes down to McDavid only having 1 big(4+ points) game in march while Mack and Kuch have had 3. It'll come down to no more big games for Mack nor Kuch, and another 1 or 2 big games from McDavid.

 

[JukofYork]

I really truly hope Kucherov doesnt win it. The NHL needs a certain breed to be leaders (crosbies, Greztkies, Marios etc) Not a douche bag troll as the face of the league.

The only people who like Kuch are TB fans. Most other fan bases think he is an idiot. Because he is.

Id have no problem with anyone else in the top 10 winning it (aside from Connor McVirtue Signaler)

Hoping Nathan can go on a run and take it down

 

[tinyzombies]

Rankings currently in points per game played =

McDavid 1.79
Kucherov 1.75
MacKinnon 1.72

The award is McDavid's to lose.

Let's see the ppg AFTER McDavid's slow start (which was due to injury, which he played through). Reminds me of when Mario caught Lafontaine- not as drastic of course because that was insane.

 

[norrisnick]

I really truly hope Kucherov doesnt win it. The NHL needs a certain breed to be leaders (crosbies, Greztkies, Marios etc) Not a douche bag troll as the face of the league.

The only people who like Kuch are TB fans. Most other fan bases think he is an idiot. Because he is.

Id have no problem with anyone else in the top 10 winning it (aside from Connor McVirtue Signaler)

Hoping Nathan can go on a run and take it down

Kucherov quit at the skills competition because he didn't want to try.

Mario quit the league because he didn't want to try.

Nikita's petulance doesn't hold a candle to Lemieux's....

 

[tinyzombies]

Ma

Kucherov quit at the skills competition because he didn't want to try.

Mario quit the league because he didn't want to try.

Nikita's petulance doesn't hold a candle to Lemieux's....

Mario played his entire career with a bad back- he could hardly tie his skates some games.

 

[Regal]

Let's see the ppg AFTER McDavid's slow start (which was due to injury, which he played through). Reminds me of when Mario caught Lafontaine- not as drastic of course because that was insane.

Since the start of the Oilers first 8 game win streak on Nov 24th:

McDavid: 54GP, 23G, 86A, 109PTS, 2.02 PPG
MacKinnon: 56GP, 41G, 63A, 104PTS, 1.86 PPG
Kucherov: 53GP, 29G, 68A, 97PTS, 1.83 PPG

Also McDavid and MacKinnon only have 5 scoreless games each in the sample, and Kucherov 7. McDavid’s putting up crazy numbers, though all three have been rolling during that time.

 

[JukofYork]

Kucherov quit at the skills competition because he didn't want to try.

Mario quit the league because he didn't want to try.

Nikita's petulance doesn't hold a candle to Lemieux's....

I mean, I know trolling can be fun but posting this for everyone to see is embarassing no?

I think you know this already but felt like trolling but you know Mario had to leave for back surgery and also cancer treatment right?

 

[norrisnick]

Mario played his entire career with a bad back- he could hardly tie his skates some games.

Turns out, that working out helps with that.

Memories blur over time. This helps straighten out the timeline a bit.

NO REGRETS MARIO LEMIEUX HAS DECIDED TO END HIS BRILLIANT NHL CAREER, AND FOR HIM--BUT NOT FOR THE PENGUINS--HIS RETIREMENT IS COMING NOT A MOMENT TOO SOON

With little fanfare and less regret, Mario Lemieux made itofficial last Saturday at the Dapper Dan charity dinner at thePittsburgh Hilton. This would be his

vault.si.com

 

[tinyzombies]

Turns out, that working out helps with that.

Memories blur over time. This helps straighten out the timeline a bit.

NO REGRETS MARIO LEMIEUX HAS DECIDED TO END HIS BRILLIANT NHL CAREER, AND FOR HIM--BUT NOT FOR THE PENGUINS--HIS RETIREMENT IS COMING NOT A MOMENT TOO SOON

With little fanfare and less regret, Mario Lemieux made itofficial last Saturday at the Dapper Dan charity dinner at thePittsburgh Hilton. This would be his

vault.si.com

Yes possibly but he hurt it in junior .. if he had worked out he’d be even more insane

 

[norrisnick]

Yes possibly but he hurt it in junior .. if he had worked out he’d be even more insane

And actually working out during his sabbatical in '94-'95 helped him to the point that his back wasn't completely out of whack. As is quoted in the article I linked. When he retired he was arguably the healthiest he'd ever been.

Lots of players could have been much better than they were had they had the work ethic to apply themselves fully...

 

[Killer Orcas]

I figure it will end McDavid, Kucherov and Mack. Said months ago McDavid would win and get 100 apples. However I must admit did not think it would be this close as expected Kuch and Mack to slow down. It's definitely been an exciting race but still believe McDavid will take it.

 

[Video Nasty]

Turns out, that working out helps with that.

Memories blur over time. This helps straighten out the timeline a bit.

NO REGRETS MARIO LEMIEUX HAS DECIDED TO END HIS BRILLIANT NHL CAREER, AND FOR HIM--BUT NOT FOR THE PENGUINS--HIS RETIREMENT IS COMING NOT A MOMENT TOO SOON

With little fanfare and less regret, Mario Lemieux made itofficial last Saturday at the Dapper Dan charity dinner at thePittsburgh Hilton. This would be his

vault.si.com

For those who won’t read it, here’s a piece I pulled out:

“Lemieux was only 29 when he took the 1994-95 season off to try to regain his health, working with massage therapist Tom Plasko.

“He'd never lifted weights before," says Plasko. "His upper body was very weak compared to his lower body, and we tried to balance it. We also did a lot on the treadmill, a lot on the stationary bike. Leg curls. It was grueling, 2 1/2 hours every morning--the hardest thing I've ever seen anyone do."

This was years after it was highlighted that his poor conditioning led to his back surgery. The team trainer was constantly on him to stretch and he just wouldn’t do it or keep committed to it.

Lemieux was so talented that he thought he could get by not putting the work in on a consistent basis. When you’re supremely talented, that approach works for awhile and then it eventually catches up, as we saw with him.

A lot of the Lemieux fairy tale is self-inflicted pain. I guess most people don’t know or just overlook it for whatever reason.

 

[tinyzombies]

For those who won’t read it, here’s a piece I pulled out:

“Lemieux was only 29 when he took the 1994-95 season off to try to regain his health, working with massage therapist Tom Plasko.

“He'd never lifted weights before," says Plasko. "His upper body was very weak compared to his lower body, and we tried to balance it. We also did a lot on the treadmill, a lot on the stationary bike. Leg curls. It was grueling, 2 1/2 hours every morning--the hardest thing I've ever seen anyone do."

This was years after it was highlighted that his poor conditioning led to his back surgery. The team trainer was constantly on him to stretch and he just wouldn’t do it or keep committed to it.

Lemieux was so talented that he thought he could get by not putting the work in on a consistent basis. When you’re supremely talented, that approach works for awhile and then it eventually catches up, as we saw with him.

A lot of the Lemieux fairy tale is self-inflicted pain. I guess most people don’t know or just overlook it for whatever reason.

He also had a chronic back condition aside from the two back surgeries. Plus all the rest:

His numerous ailments included spinal disc herniation, Hodgkin's lymphoma, chronic tendinitis of a hip-flexor muscle, and chronic back pain so severe that other people had to tie his skates.[8] He retired on two occasions due to these health issues, first in 1997 after battling lymphoma before returning in 2000, and then a second and final time in 2006 after being diagnosed with atrial fibrillation. Lemieux also missed the entire 1994–95 season due to Hodgkin's lymphoma.[4] Despite his lengthy absences from the game, his play remained at a high level upon his return to the ice

 

[Video Nasty]

He also had a chronic back condition aside from the two back surgeries. Plus all the rest:

His numerous ailments included spinal disc herniation, Hodgkin's lymphoma, chronic tendinitis of a hip-flexor muscle, and chronic back pain so severe that other people had to tie his skates.[8] He retired on two occasions due to these health issues, first in 1997 after battling lymphoma before returning in 2000, and then a second and final time in 2006 after being diagnosed with atrial fibrillation. Lemieux also missed the entire 1994–95 season due to Hodgkin's lymphoma.[4] Despite his lengthy absences from the game, his play remained at a high level upon his return to the ice

I’m well aware of Lemieux’s history. By all accounts, the guy refused to stick to even a basic exercise and stretch regimen to relieve, strengthen, and improve everything related to his back, core, and hips.

We still don’t know the exact cause of Hodgkin’s, but like most things, I doubt a poor diet and smoking is helpful.

Sublime talent and my second favorite player ever, but I’m not going to pretend he did himself any favors.

 

[UpHere]

I’m well aware of Lemieux’s history. By all accounts, the guy refused to stick to even a basic exercise and stretch regimen to relieve, strengthen, and improve everything related to his back, core, and hips.

We still don’t know the exact cause of Hodgkin’s, but like most things, I doubt a poor diet and smoking is helpful.

Sublime talent and my second favorite player ever, but I’m not going to pretend he did himself any favors.

i don't think cancer cares about your lifestyle

 

[Video Nasty]

i don't think cancer cares about your lifestyle

If you say so.

 

[UpHere]

If you say so.

i do - cancer has no known cause - it is what it is - you can try to fit it into any narrative you want, but you won't be able to back it up effectively - there are things that contribute of course - but it can hit anywhere anytime

 

[tinyzombies]

I’m well aware of Lemieux’s history. By all accounts, the guy refused to stick to even a basic exercise and stretch regimen to relieve, strengthen, and improve everything related to his back, core, and hips.

We still don’t know the exact cause of Hodgkin’s, but like most things, I doubt a poor diet and smoking is helpful.

Sublime talent and my second favorite player ever, but I’m not going to pretend he did himself any favors.

He had a chronic back injury from youth- hard to work out when you have that. But it was a different time. Their offeason was THEIR time, they didn't work out like maniacs year-round like today. But few of them did, so the playing field was the same as today in that regard.

 

[syz]

Ekholm and McDavid both started the year with hip injuries and Ekholm's was apparently suffered via a new training routine that the Oilers put together for him. Wonder if it's the same thing for McDavid (though I've always thought it's been a lingering thing since a late-season game against Vegas last year).

 

[olli]

And actually working out during his sabbatical in '94-'95 helped him to the point that his back wasn't completely out of whack. As is quoted in the article I linked. When he retired he was arguably the healthiest he'd ever been.

Lots of players could have been much better than they were had they had the work ethic to apply themselves fully... Maybe even Kucherov.

Kucherov is not a guy who should be included in that conversation. Guys like Kuznetsov (after he won the cup) or PLD come to mind.