Nikita Kucherov is the clear favorite for the Art Ross Trophy

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slapKing

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Back to the drawing board for mcdavid. But he still has one game over kuch and two over mack.

It will come down to the extra games mcdavid has, but also the two head to head games between the oilers and avs.

Still have Connor as the favorite to win. Amazing race.
 

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Kucherov hanging out in the neutral zone for 2-minute shifts every time the net is empty. McDavid is in his head. He knows he needs to resort to cheese to have any chance.
People complaining about Kucherov getting empty net points and yet McDavid and Mackinnon have more career empty net points that Kucherov.
 

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People complaining about Kucherov getting empty net points and yet McDavid and Mackinnon have more career empty net points that Kucherov.

They have never won the Art Ross or cost some from winning the Art Ross with their historic amount of empty net points in a season. If he was getting the empty net points more naturally it wouldn't come off as bad. The Tampa Bay commentator even mentioned it on the broadcast last game.
 

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They have never won the Art Ross or cost some from winning the Art Ross with their historic amount of empty net points in a season. If he was getting the empty net points more naturally it wouldn't come off as bad. The Tampa Bay commentator even mentioned it on the broadcast last game.
I had to chuckle when in the Boston game he was at the Bruins blueline the moment the Bruins dumped the puck in. It's kind of like a 6-on-4 for the other team with Kucherov out there.
 
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They have never won the Art Ross or cost some from winning the Art Ross with their historic amount of empty net points in a season. If he was getting the empty net points more naturally it wouldn't come off as bad. The Tampa Bay commentator even mentioned it on the broadcast last game.
McDavid won the Art Ross two years ago with a league leading 11 ENP. Kuch has 12 this year. I guess 11 is okay but 12 is too many?
 

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I had to chuckle when in the Boston game he was at the Bruins blueline the moment the Bruins dumped the puck in. It's kind of like a 6-on-4 for the other team with Kucherov out there.
That was literally a set play. Hedman grabs the dump in behind the net and immediately rims it around the glass while Kuch bolts for the offensive zone to negate icing. Sorry for outsmarting the other team?
 
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McDavid won the Art Ross two years ago with a league leading 11 ENP. Kuch has 12 this year. I guess 11 is okay but 12 is too many?

He had 1 more empty net point than Tkachuk and the same amount as Gaudreau and won by 8 points... That didn't cost anybody the Art Ross or win McDavid the Art Ross. Most importantly, he didn't overtly change his game to try and pad his stats.
 

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I highly doubt the lighting with a bunch of cup winners and not really locked into the playoffs would really want kucherov stats padding at the cost of their team. Pretty ridiculous statement from fans whose probably never gotten close and can only cheer for individual awards.
 

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If the Avs can hold Mcdavid to 2 pts in 2 games and Macl gets 4-5 then hes sweeping the awards

If Mcdavid matches or has more pts than Mack head to head then I see him taking all the awards
 

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Yes, 11 is ok when you win the scoring title by 8pts and the two guys tied at #2 in scoring had 11 and 8 EN pts respectively.
That's a lot of pretzel making. SMDH

They have never won the Art Ross or cost some from winning the Art Ross with their historic amount of empty net points in a season. If he was getting the empty net points more naturally it wouldn't come off as bad. The Tampa Bay commentator even mentioned it on the broadcast last game.
This just sounds like sour grapes imho

All three are amazing. McDavid is the best player of this generation.

Stop trying to denigrate any of them to build your guy up.

Ridiculous. Seriously, stop it.
 

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That's a lot of pretzel making. SMDH


This just sounds like sour grapes imho

All three are amazing. McDavid is the best player of this generation.

Stop trying to denigrate any of them to build your guy up.

Ridiculous. Seriously, stop it.
Whoa.....I'm not trying to bring anyone down, just replying to a comment.....I wouldn't necessarily dig deep to EN pts, but there is absolutely a clear difference between McDavid's EN pts of 11 when he won the scoring title by 8pts and number #2 guy also had 11 EN pts vs. current race where he's up 1pt on McDavid but has 12 EN pts to McDavid's 5....MacKinnon is closer with 8, which is still 4 less than Kuch and he's up on total points.

I really don't care much, a point is a point. I probably would complain a bit if it was my guy that loses out to someone that is standing at centre ice waiting for a puck with an EN to score on.....this would never happen though as I wouldn't dig deep enough to even see if that was a thing.
 
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That's a lot of pretzel making. SMDH


This just sounds like sour grapes imho

All three are amazing. McDavid is the best player of this generation.

Stop trying to denigrate any of them to build your guy up.

Ridiculous. Seriously, stop it.

Just pointing out a fact. Some things are worth being sour about. I hope McDavid knows whats going on and takes it personally, then the scoring race is truly over.
 

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Ok you better get a memo drafted and sent out the league to let everyone know.
I'm not the one that brought it up, I don't care.....however, if you want to suggest it's the same as 2 years ago when McDavid won scoring 11 EN points, I'm sorry, I'll disagree....simple as that.
 
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Rankings currently in points per game played =

McDavid 1.79
Kucherov 1.75
MacKinnon 1.72

The award is McDavid's to lose.
 

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A EN point is the same no matter which year it happens in.
The premise was someone wouldn't like the Art Ross being decided by someone scoring more empty net pts than someone else....so, say winning the scoring race by 2 points, but scoring 7-8 more EN points than the next guy. Personally I wouldn't necessarily care, a point is a point. But that isn't comparable to winning the scoring title where EN points make no difference at all. I don't care if the guy scores 60 EN points and no one else in the league even gets 1....if he's winning the scoring title by 80pts....doesn't make a difference.
 

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Rankings currently in points per game played =

McDavid 1.79
Kucherov 1.75
MacKinnon 1.72

The award is McDavid's to lose.
Maybe, but MacK is currently in the lead, so maybe his to lose at the moment. Don't forget, they won't all play the same number of games, so it's closer than PPG suggests. If they all play the rest of the games MacKinnon plays 82, Kucherov plays 81 and McDavid plays 80 and they are pacing for 141, 142 and 143pts respectively.....so it's really anyone's right now
 

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The premise was someone wouldn't like the Art Ross being decided by someone scoring more empty net pts than someone else....so, say winning the scoring race by 2 points, but scoring 7-8 more EN points than the next guy. Personally I wouldn't necessarily care, a point is a point. But that isn't comparable to winning the scoring title where EN points make no difference at all. I don't care if the guy scores 60 EN points and no one else in the league even gets 1....if he's winning the scoring title by 80pts....doesn't make a difference.
Not really anyone's fault
The premise was someone wouldn't like the Art Ross being decided by someone scoring more empty net pts than someone else....so, say winning the scoring race by 2 points, but scoring 7-8 more EN points than the next guy. Personally I wouldn't necessarily care, a point is a point. But that isn't comparable to winning the scoring title where EN points make no difference at all. I don't care if the guy scores 60 EN points and no one else in the league even gets 1....if he's winning the scoring title by 80pts....doesn't make a difference.
Since points are points, its really irrelevant who has more EN points even in a tight race. You cant go back to game 1 and decide an EN point is worth less cause its gonna be a tight art ross race.
 

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Maybe, but MacK is currently in the lead, so maybe his to lose at the moment. Don't forget, they won't all play the same number of games, so it's closer than PPG suggests. If they all play the rest of the games MacKinnon plays 82, Kucherov plays 81 and McDavid plays 80 and they are pacing for 141, 142 and 143pts respectively.....so it's really anyone's right now
True, and I'm not saying Connor is guaranteed to win or anything, it's up for grabs but I think based on points per games played he still is the favorite, despite being 3rd in points.
 

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If the Avs can hold Mcdavid to 2 pts in 2 games and Macl gets 4-5 then hes sweeping the awards

If Mcdavid matches or has more pts than Mack head to head then I see him taking all the awards

This year it feels like the Hart + Lindsay won't go to the same person. All three of them are having phenomenal seasons so my gut tells me it won't be an awards sweep for anyone.
 
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