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League News: NHL Talk - (News n' Scores n' Stuff) - 2022-23 season, Vol. 4, Off-season Edition

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Calicaps said:
you suggest it's fair for the women who win to pay for the failures of the salespeople but not for the men who lose to pay for their own failures.
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The salespeople? You think people tune in for a sporting event because they saw a commercial? People are aware the WNBA exists, they just don't give a shit. Fans of the sport are going to dedicate their dollar and time to the superior product, and the ones that think the WNBA qualifies are already fans. There's just not that many of them.

You think the WNBA hasn't done what they can to promote the league; that everyone responsible for promotion at the league and team levels over 27 years have been bad at their jobs? Or is it possible that this is just what the market is with the NBA and NCAA dominating? Is it the media's fault because they don't cover it? Mainstream American sports media doesn't cover hockey either, and the NHL is fine.

Look at Angel City and the NWSL. They're putting out a superior product without market saturation. It took a while, but the league is drawing global talent now, they got a solid TV deal, and attendance is climbing. The top couple teams are bringing in NHL-level headcounts. It's got a long way to go league-wide, but if they can get it there and maintain it, more and more players will see the benefit.

I love women's sports and often prefer the women's game in basketball and soccer for a few reasons. I'm not a hater or a misogynist. But pro sports are revenue driven, and the players get their share of the revenue. When a women's league hits that tipping point where clubs are profitable, the money will be there. It's early, but ACFC was just valued at $100 million.

The #1 barrier to that becoming more widespread is the potential female fan. Women do not flock to women's sports. It's the ugly truth that isn't polite to talk about.



He doesn't put it nicely, but he's not wrong.

you know which professional DC basketball team has won a championship this century? Here's a hint: not the Bullets.
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The Mystics won and I love them, but the Wizards sell four times as many tickets at twice the price.

60 million in revenue versus the NBA's 7 billion isn't a "salespeople" problem. It's the best women's league on the planet and still a joke because it can't compete for American viewers in a saturated basketball market.

You know which US national soccer team has won World Cups and Olympic gold? Here's a hint: not the men.
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The US Women's soccer team is awesome and I never miss a game, but the Men's Cup generated several billion in revenue and the Women's was a pretty small fraction of that. Doesn't help that viewership of their matches declined significantly compared to 2015, or that their final drew 39% fewer American viewers than the men's final in 2018 that didn't include a US team.

The USWNT gets screwed, no question. FIFA is as corrupt an organization as there is (including drug cartels). When you're sitting on three billion in cash reserves, you can pony up more than $30 million in prize money. They're upping it to $150m this year I think, so that's good.

As for US Soccer, they maintain that there was parity...

Between 2015 to 2019, the USWNT played 111 total games and made $24.5 million overall, averaging $220,747 per game. The USMNT played 87 total games and made $18.5 million overall, averaging $212,639 per game.
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Meh. I agree with this guy...



Women aren't paying for the failures of salespeople. Women's leagues just don't draw the revenue. The viewership isn't there, the #1 potential fan doesn't show up, and no one is just going to hand it to them. It has to be done the way Angel City is doing it. Grassroots, smart business plan in an impossible sports market, earning every ticket sold. And none of that will matter if they don't figure out how to win. Their average fan is most likely fickle, so they better get on it.
 
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NHL future odds are out. Odds makers think we will finish about the same next season in the draft lottery.

One team is sticking out and I just took. Seattle is +5000 and ranked around the canucks and caps. I have no idea how a team in the WCF with tons of cap space and trade chips is ranked that low.
 
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Ovechkins Wodka said:
NHL future odds are out. Odds makers think we will finish about the same next season in the draft lottery.

One team is sticking out and I just took. Seattle is +5000 and ranked around the canucks and caps. I have no idea how a team in the WCF with tons of cap space and trade chips is ranked that low.
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Hot goalie won one round, and they will have to go through Colorado (again I know), Vegas, Edmonton, and Dallas who are 4 of the top 10 favorites. Florida managed to do something like that but ran out of steam.

Jeff Marek always says it best the NHL Cinderella stories never seem to close the deal. Florida, Montreal, Dallas, Vegas, Nashville, San Jose.

If you are looking for value +4500 with NYI seems good with their goalie and a healthy Barzal.

In all seriousness the Caps at +5500 before tinkering this off season. Catch fire at the right time, good goalie never know. Maybe win 2 rounds and hedge out
 
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Hot goalie won one round, and they will have to go through Colorado (again I know), Vegas, Edmonton, and Dallas who are 4 of the top 10 favorites. Florida managed to do something like that but ran out of steam.

Jeff Marek always says it best the NHL Cinderella stories never seem to close the deal. Florida, Montreal, Dallas, Vegas, Nashville, San Jose.

If you are looking for value +4500 with NYI seems good with their goalie and a healthy Barzal.

In all seriousness the Caps at +5500 before tinkering this off season. Catch fire at the right time, good goalie never know. Maybe win 2 rounds and hedge out
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Add the 98 caps to that list
 
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An odd side effect of this is that the Coyotes now lose one of their 3 salary retention slots for the next 8 years. Since they primarily exist to retain salary and bad contracts for other teams, that's a fairly significant blow.
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I just saw that online. It's pretty wild!
 
I'll never understand buying out a contract, let alone a long one like that.

Could they not unload him at 50% retention?
 
Sort of makes sense, the cap savings the next few years are probably going to be important if they want to keep Pettersson and Hughes, then it's regular cap management to figure out how to deal with the last few years but enough contracts should come off the books to be okay.

It raised my eyebrows at first but after reading it a little deeper if they don't get those cap savings now they could lose a lot more and continue to crater and then it really won't matter either way.

Coyotes must be pissed though.
 
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Hoo boy, @twabby, remember when we argued about how sometimes bad players are signed for reasons that go into the room and don't stay on the ice? Remember Erik Gudbranson?

Well I guess according to a recent article in the Athletic on Darryl Sutter it says Gudbranson and Tkachuk were two significantly important buffers in the locker room between Sutter and the guys, and would either agree with him or push back depending on the situation.

Just remember, there's not a metric for that and they made the playoffs despite you referring to the organization and signing as a complete joke. Human element strikes again.
 
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Hoo boy, @twabby, remember when we argued about how sometimes bad players are signed for reasons that go into the room and don't stay on the ice? Remember Erik Gudbranson?

Well I guess according to a recent article in the Athletic on Darryl Sutter it says Gudbranson and Tkachuk were two significantly important buffers in the locker room between Sutter and the guys, and would either agree with him or push back depending on the situation.

Just remember, there's not a metric for that and they made the playoffs despite you referring to the organization and signing as a complete joke. Human element strikes again.
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Bad players are signed because half of the NHL GMs suffer from CTE from playing professional hockey. Let’s not overcomplicate things!
 
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Bad players are signed because half of the NHL GMs suffer from CTE from playing professional hockey. Let’s not overcomplicate things!
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Above: The Face of CTE
 
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The Sutter news just makes the Babcock hiring--and the reports that Q might get another shot--seem even worse. The game has passed a lot of these older guys by... on the ice and in the locker room. I never had the sense that abusiveness was Lavi's angle, nor Trotz, thank goodness. But there's a hardass contingent among the older generation of coaches that just has to go.
 
He should definitely be in the Hall. I think they're too precious about the criteria. There's a long list of guys that should be in already.
 
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It's kind of crazy that he's not in the Hall just for being one of the/the(?) first Soviet defectors to risk all that just to play in a different country.

Like, if the Hall of Fame doesn't have room for barrier breakers (and they clearly do, Willie O'Ree is very deservedly there even though he wasn't exactly an amazing player) then what is the point? I can sort statistics on the internet, I want to see and hear stories and that's a pretty wild ass story.
 
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