League News: NHL Talk - (News n' Scores n' Stuff) - 2021-22 season, Vol. 3, Playoffs Edition

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HTFN

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Ehhh, this is using some weird COVID-bubble-specific things to break up the streaks of Pittsburgh (16 years) and Nashville (8 years).
I mean… let’s be real, if we’re playing by the spirit of the whole thing and not the letters demanding they count as playoffs for statistical/contract/probably revenue reasons… if you lost the play in to the playoffs you did not make the playoffs.

I get that on a technicality I’m wrong here, but anyone proud enough of that to count it is raising a division champs banner.
 

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I mean… let’s be real, if we’re playing by the spirit of the whole thing and not the letters demanding they count as playoffs for statistical/contract/probably revenue reasons… if you lost the play in to the playoffs you did not make the playoffs.

I get that on a technicality I’m wrong here, but anyone proud enough of that to count it is raising a division champs banner.
Had they not gone with that arbitrary additional play-in round due to the truncated season, Pittsburgh would have easily made the playoffs. They had 86 points in 69 games, just 4 points behind the Capitals for the division lead, at the point the season ended. This wasn't a "will they make it or not?" bubble situation like both New York teams, Carolina, Florida, Columbus, or Toronto that year. Pittsburgh would have had to completely implode to fall out of those playoffs.

Trying to distinguish between the "playoffs" and the "play in round" for a one-off CoVID-19 bubble tournament that was ad-hoc created to try and salvage a season that was interrupted because of a pandemic is just silly. For all intents and purposes, the play-in round was part of the playoffs.
 

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Had they not gone with that arbitrary additional play-in round due to the truncated season, Pittsburgh would have easily made the playoffs. They had 86 points in 69 games, just 4 points behind the Capitals for the division lead, at the point the season ended. This wasn't a "will they make it or not?" bubble situation like both New York teams, Carolina, Florida, Columbus, or Toronto that year. Pittsburgh would have had to completely implode to fall out of those playoffs.

Trying to distinguish between the "playoffs" and the "play in round" for a one-off CoVID-19 bubble tournament that was ad-hoc created to try and salvage a season that was interrupted because of a pandemic is just silly. For all intents and purposes, the play-in round was part of the playoffs.
okay sure, I can believe that in theory, but it didn't get to happen. The NFL wild card is part of the playoffs, but if you're already seeded you get a bye week. MLB is the same far as I remember. They didn't do that, and to me calling it a play-in automatically implies not actually playoffs.

I don't get all bent about it, personally I've always just considered it the simplest way around some of the legal stuff between league and union. I've even admitted that I know I'm wrong semantically because of how it's been officially designated, but... to me it's just not the playoffs. All of the format is the same, the difference between a play-in and the "wild card" round in reality is basically zero, and yet... as far as I'm concerned I'll wait until the NHL starts doing that every year or a team makes the quarterfinals to call just making the play-in enough to make you a playoff team

say what you will about what Montreal would go on to do, but they were like the 24th team in the league at the time of the seeding if I remember correctly. Position swap the Penguins and Capitals and if the Caps hadn't beaten Montreal I'd be saying the same thing.

counting that as part of a playoff streak is the type of thing you put here:
predators-ridiculous-banner-5.jpg


it can totally be technically true, it can also count for squat and be a little embarrassing
 

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okay sure, I can believe that in theory, but it didn't get to happen. The NFL wild card is part of the playoffs, but if you're already seeded you get a bye week. MLB is the same far as I remember. They didn't do that, and to me calling it a play-in automatically implies not actually playoffs.

I don't get all bent about it, personally I've always just considered it the simplest way around some of the legal stuff between league and union. I've even admitted that I know I'm wrong semantically because of how it's been officially designated, but... to me it's just not the playoffs. All of the format is the same, the difference between a play-in and the "wild card" round in reality is basically zero, and yet... as far as I'm concerned I'll wait until the NHL starts doing that every year or a team makes the quarterfinals to call just making the play-in enough to make you a playoff team

say what you will about what Montreal would go on to do, but they were like the 24th team in the league at the time of the seeding if I remember correctly. Position swap the Penguins and Capitals and if the Caps hadn't beaten Montreal I'd be saying the same thing.

counting that as part of a playoff streak is the type of thing you put here:
predators-ridiculous-banner-5.jpg


it can totally be technically true, it can also count for squat and be a little embarrassing

This is a conversation on the HFCapitals forum in which we're discussing whether or not the Capitals have the longest active playoff streak. Disqualifying Pittsburgh's streak because of the "play in round" being distinct from the "playoffs" in a year that was truncated due to a worldwide pandemic, in which Pittsburgh would have made the playoffs in a full season, and in which the Capitals were equally listless in that playoff bubble - well, disqualifying Pittsburgh because of that would be much more in line with the raising junk banners mentality you're decrying. This isn't Pittsburgh fans claiming they're the best, this is a conversation within the Washington fanbase on HFCaps about the topic. Saying "we're #1!" because of that "play in round" loss by Pittsburgh is cringy AF.
 

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5 more years @11.5 per for Erik Karlsson……can you even imagine that level of suffering as a fan lol?!

Has to be one of the worst deals of all time…..
It’s not that his contract is that bad in a vacuum — he’s probably overpaid by $3M which isn’t great but not an albatross alone by itself — but when you think about the fact that Burns is 37 and he’s also making $8M for three more seasons that it looks really bad. And we won’t even touch the Vlasic contract which may actually be the worst contract in the league.

It’d be like if we had Carlson and instead of using cap space to fill out the rest of the roster we have John Klingberg $11.5M. Just dumb cap and asset management. Center is really the only position you can justify having multiple players making top dollar.
 

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It’s not that his contract is that bad in a vacuum — he’s probably overpaid by $3M which isn’t great but not an albatross alone by itself — but when you think about the fact that Burns is 37 and he’s also making $8M for three more seasons that it looks really bad. And we won’t even touch the Vlasic contract which may actually be the worst contract in the league.

It’d be like if we had Carlson and instead of using cap space to fill out the rest of the roster we have John Klingberg $11.5M. Just dumb cap and asset management. Center is really the only position you can justify having multiple players making top dollar.
Overpaid by 3 mil? Have you looked at his production? I’d say he’s overpaid by about $5 mil.

 

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Don't like this Colorado 5-on-3, they're not using the extra men enough, just throwing net front traffic and firing from the outside.


(edit - just as I type this the pinball offense eventually pays off :laugh: - but it was basically once they created a lot more movement by throwing the puck around quicker is when Tampa's posture broke down)
 
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