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NHL may bar Slava Voynov from competing for Russia in World Cup (UPD: Voynov Banned)

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Sojourn said:
She has no say in that. He committed a crime.

This isn't surprising news at all. It's not like Voynov stuck around and accepted the suspension. He left, to go play in the KHL.
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Well.... I don't pity Voinov at all, but he kinda had the choice between deporting himself (and be able to work for a living, not that he needs it, but whatever) or be deported and just waste some months by staying in a detention facility (I know, it's more complicated than that).

The NHL suspension is... a bit petty at this point.
 
MXD said:
Well.... I don't pity Voinov at all, but he kinda had the choice between deporting himself (and be able to work for a living, not that he needs it, but whatever) or be deported and just waste some months by staying in a detention facility.

The NHL suspension is... a bit petty at this point.
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Maybe, but it's not like he really sat out the punishment the NHL deemed appropriate. He didn't. From their point of view, I understand why they'd do this. Just because he left doesn't mean the suspension was carried out.

Edit: The gist of it is Voynov did something bad. Criminally bad. Then he left to go play in the KHL. Why should he get to compete in an NHL tournament, when he decided to forgo NHL punishment while he was in the league? So, while it may come across as a bit petty by the NHL, I completely understand where they are coming from here. I have no problem with this response from them. This isn't a player who left the NHL to go play in the KHL. It's not that simple.
 
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Sojourn said:
Edit: The gist of it is Voynov did something bad. Criminally bad. Then he left to go play in the KHL. Why should he get to compete in an NHL tournament, when he decided to forgo NHL punishment while he was in the league?
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Well... either he left, either he was deported. Wasn't playing in the NHL regardless. I mean, what's the difference?

And about the tournament itself : chances are, he would've been inadmissible in Canada. Which is where this tournament will be played.
 
MXD said:
Well... either he left, either he was deported. Wasn't playing in the NHL regardless. I mean, what's the difference?

And about the tournament itself : chances are, he would've been inadmissible in Canada. Which is where this tournament will be played.
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Allowing a man to play in this tournament would be a bigger PR disaster than outright banning him in the first place.
 
Sojourn said:
Maybe, but it's not like he really sat out the punishment the NHL deemed appropriate. He didn't. From their point of view, I understand why they'd do this. Just because he left doesn't mean the suspension was carried out.
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his suspension was the longest in the history of the league, and he was going to continue serving more games before he bolted. what he did was reprehensible, yes, but I think the NHL is going a bit overboard with this
 
To be honest, it feels a bit strange when NHL is banning a player that has ended his career in NHL and therefore is no longer under it's jurisdiction. I'd be fine if Canada just wouldn't grant him a visa though.

Ziggy Stardust said:
As long as those high schoolers pass a test for performance enhancing drugs.
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High schoolers have a much bigger chance to pass it than the NHL-ers. ;)
 
Sojourn said:
Edit: The gist of it is Voynov did something bad. Criminally bad. Then he left to go play in the KHL. Why should he get to compete in an NHL tournament, when he decided to forgo NHL punishment while he was in the league? So, while it may come across as a bit petty by the NHL, I completely understand where they are coming from here. I have no problem with this response from them. This isn't a player who left the NHL to go play in the KHL. It's not that simple.
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exactly.
 
If I were the FHR president, I would send VHLers, MHLers. Because it's even more "we give a **** about you" than just retire:laugh:
But unfortunately the federation will never do this:cry:
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But I don't care who will win this "tournament" . I just want my Caps to play safe, and not get injured.
 
It's a pipe dream, I know, but if Russia really wanted to fudge the NHL over, they could just withdraw altogether.


In a proper international tournament one participant withdrawing does not of course neuter the entire show, you just call the next best country and then it's business as usual, but here...

For starters, calling the "next best" country would hardly be an option, because all of their best players are already in Team Leftovers. Oops.

Playing the tournament with just seven teams does not sound viable either, given how it would still pretty much neuter one of the groups.

Create another gimmick? Sure, THAT would go over well, no doubt. It would pretty much expose this gong show in all its glory. Not to mention they'd be scrambling to put one together anyway, given the schedule. Find staff, make picks, so forth... (Note: Real national feds have most of the necessary infrastructure in place and can put a team together on moment's notice. But it'd be a massive undertaking for the league.)


Bottom line, if Russia really wanted to play hardball with this, all they'd have to do is grab the NHL [MOD] and squeeze. Were they to do that, pretty much the ONLY viable option would be to turn over the decision and just let Voynov play.
 
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FiLe said:
It's a pipe dream, I know, but if Russia really wanted to fudge the NHL over, they could just withdraw altogether.


In a proper international tournament one participant withdrawing does not of course neuter the entire show, you just call the next best country and then it's business as usual, but here...

For starters, calling the "next best" country would hardly be a viable option, because all of their best players are already in Team Leftovers. Oops.

Playing the tournament with just seven teams does not sound viable either, given how it would still pretty much neuter one of the groups.

Create another gimmick? Sure, THAT would go over well, no doubt. It would pretty much expose this gong show in all its glory. Not to mention they'd be scrambling to put one together anyway, given the schedule. Find staff, make picks, so forth... (Note: Real national feds have most of the necessary infrastructure in place and can put a team together on moment's notice. But it'd be a massive undertaking for the league.)


Bottom line, if Russia really wanted to play hardball with this, all they'd have to do is grab the NHL [MOD] and squeeze. Were they to do that, pretty much the ONLY viable option would be to turn over the decision and just let Voynov play.
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It's a good idea but if Russia decided to withdraw, and there is an impact on $$$ for the NHL, knowing this league and Gary, I'm sure Ovechkin & co will receive a "big" suspension + he can throw away the idea to win a SC one day from his mind. Even if the withdraw coming from the federation and not the players.
 
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Russia should boycott this tournament.
Such things can not be forgiven!
P.S
Voynov best Russian defender right now!
 
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Russia should withdraw from this joke of a tournament altogether. That would basically mean there is no tournament. Regrettably our officials don't have the *** to do that.
 
Bear12Good said:
Russia should boycott this tournament.
Such things can not be forgiven!
P.S
Voynov best Russian defender right now!
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Voynov is not by a mile, I don't like Voynov as a player, I don't know him as a person. But that move by the NHL is just exposing the NHL for what it is.

I'm all for Russia skipping this poor NHL show.
 
ovikovy817 said:
It's a good idea but if Russia decided to withdraw, and there is an impact on $$$ for the NHL, knowing this league and Gary, I'm sure Ovechkin & co will receive a "big" suspension + he can throw away the idea to win a SC one day from his mind. Even if the withdraw coming from the federation and not the players.
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I don't see how Russian NHL players can be fined for a decision made by the FHR
 
Atas2000 said:
Russia should withdraw from this joke of a tournament altogether. That would basically mean there is no tournament. Regrettably our officials don't have the *** to do that.
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I agree. Not just as a protest against the Voynov decision, but also as a matter of asserting their authority over the matter of who participates in other international tournaments -- e.g., the Olympics.

The NHL is currently throwing its weight around in a way that can only be countered by national programs refusing to cooperate. I wouldn't blame the Russians in the slightest if they torpedoed this tournament.
 
A league denies a player eligibility for an "international tournament" based on a league-intern contract/suspension issue? Just another step by the NHL to expose this "World Cup" as what it really is.
 
I thought it was unfair to be punished multiple times for the same crime. He served his time so let him play. Isn't he very young as well?

If anything of this sort ever happened again even on the smallest scale, I can see a life-long ban. He has probably really learned his lesson after going through this. If he didn't learn his lesson it's not like not allowing him to play hockey is going to prevent anything from happening anyway. Either way the guy should get a chance to redeem himself. Completely dismantling someones life long-term for a mistake (even a bad one) that they made at a young age can create a criminal. Much better chance of success if you punish someone (heavy enough to learn their lesson) and then let them get back to a normal life. This world makes insane decisions and it's no wonder why we have millions and millions of prisoners and growing.

-Criminal Justice Degree
 
Any "reaction" from the russian hockey federation (whatever its name) about this?
 
MXD said:
Any "reaction" from the russian hockey federation (whatever its name) about this?
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I read an article about an hour ago on a Russian site that the Russian Hockey Federation is still negotiating with the NHL and NHLPA on Voynov.

In the article the negotiations were characterized as being positive. so, whatever that means.
 
Mr Writer said:
I read an article about an hour ago on a Russian site that the Russian Hockey Federation is still negotiating with the NHL and NHLPA on Voynov.

In the article the negotiations were characterized as being positive. so, whatever that means.
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Thanks.

The NHL should consult the the CSBA though. No point in negociating if Voivov is found to be inadmissible.
 
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