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NHL may bar Slava Voynov from competing for Russia in World Cup (UPD: Voynov Banned)

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Fugu said:
Without being able to enter the US or work here, he cannot fulfill his NHL contract.
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I would hazard to guess there are some standardized clauses over what happens to an NHL contract if one is permanently unable to fill it due to stipulations of law or actions of the state officials. Does it get voided, will the other party terminate it? If so, then there is no contract to fulfill.
 
Lempo said:
I would hazard to guess there are some standardized clauses over what happens to an NHL contract if one is permanently unable to fill it due to stipulations of law or actions of the state officials. Does it get voided, will the other party terminate it? If so, then there is no contract to fulfill.
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Voynov has retired from the NHL, so there's definitely no contract anymore.
 
What Voynov has done or not done - and his relationship to the US legislators is one thing. If he is to pay fines or go to jail... that is his own business.

Voynov not being able to attend "the tournament of the best" because of his own problems in the USA would be a joke.

If this is the tournament of the best, it should be managed by the IIHF, not NHL/NHPA.

To me, the whole arrangement and the statements done by the organizers seem very arrogant to the international hockey.

Team Finland should immediately scratch Lindell or Pokka - and call in Karalahti, who was suspended by NHL some 10 years ago. Let's see what NHL would say about that.
 
sob said:
What Voynov has done or not done - and his relationship to the US legislators is one thing. If he is to pay fines or go to jail... that is his own business.

Voynov not being able to attend "the tournament of the best" because of his own problems in the USA would be a joke.

If this is the tournament of the best, it should be managed by the IIHF, not NHL/NHPA.

To me, the whole arrangement and the statements done by the organizers seem very arrogant to the international hockey.

Team Finland should immediately scratch Lindell or Pokka - and call in Karalahti, who was suspended by NHL some 10 years ago. Let's see what NHL would say about that.
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Did you not read what Voynov did to deserve this? How is it a joke that he might not be able to gain entry to the country to play in it, Or are you in support of domestic abuse?
 
kp61c said:
yeah, let's brand 'wife beater' on his forehead. or, event better, chop his head off straight away. jesus, hungry and indignant like crocodiles
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Nice overreaction. I'm making sense as to why they wouldn't want him to participate in a tournament, you come in defense of a guy who beat his wife to the point that she bled profusely. You certainly have a better perspective on these issues than I do.
 
Blitzago said:
Did you not read what Voynov did to deserve this? How is it a joke that he might not be able to gain entry to the country to play in it, Or are you in support of domestic abuse?
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I did read what he did. And did not like what I read.

My point was, he did his crime in the USA. And he should face the consequences in the USA.

Unless Canada is a state of the USA, Voynov's issues there should have nothing to do with his eligibility to attend a tournament of the best of the best in Toronto.

I am a father of two girls and I resent domestic violence. At the same time I resent NHLPA dictating who can attend international tournaments.
 
sob said:
I did read what he did. And did not like what I read.

My point was, he did his crime in the USA. And he should face the consequences in the USA.

Unless Canada is a state of the USA, Voynov's issues there should have nothing to do with his eligibility to attend a tournament of the best of the best in Toronto.

I am a father of two girls and I resent domestic violence. At the same time I resent NHLPA dictating who can attend international tournaments.
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There's a good chance Canada will deny him entry with his prior record. Happens pretty often.
 
JTD said:
There's a good chance Canada will deny him entry with his prior record. Happens pretty often.
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Then I wish Canada happy 4th of July :-)

Seriously speaking, I find it interesting that the sovereign state of Canada complies to what the USA mandates.

This is not unheard of though. EU pretty much controls the politics within the EU countries. I had the (mis)impression that the USA and Canada are not that close.
 
Blitzago said:
Did you not read what Voynov did to deserve this? How is it a joke that he might not be able to gain entry to the country to play in it, Or are you in support of domestic abuse?
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The issue of whether someone is or is not in favor of domestic violence has nothing to do with it. No one has provided any information to support the idea that Canadian law forbids admitting anyone with a domestic violence issue in the past into Canada, so the issue is whether non-NHL players should be governed by NHL policies. If you are an NHL player who is cited for domestic violence, you are suspended or permanently banned or something. But since Voynov would allegedly be a participant in an invitational private hockey tournament that will come and go in 2 or 3 weeks, and his participation would not reflect at all on the NHL of which he is not a part, why should the NHL ban him from participating? Legislate morality in Canada is you want, but don't interject NHL policies into Russian business.
 
Caser said:
So Voynov's NHL ban is still there despite his retirement from NHL?

Interesting, if we imagine Datsyuk somehow receiving 10 game suspension at the end of this season and he would retire without serving it, would he be allowed to participate in the tournament?
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I mentioned this on the Detroit Red Wings board. If Datsyuk signs in the KHL his eligibility could be questionable. Russia could go in with a 21-man roster.
 
kabidjan18 said:
I mentioned this on the Detroit Red Wings board. If Datsyuk signs in the KHL his eligibility could be questionable. Russia could go in with a 21-man roster.
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Well, as far as I know Datsyuk didn't get any bans, so even if he retires he will just play there as any other KHL guy.
 
sob said:
What Voynov has done or not done - and his relationship to the US legislators is one thing. If he is to pay fines or go to jail... that is his own business.

Voynov not being able to attend "the tournament of the best" because of his own problems in the USA would be a joke.

If this is the tournament of the best, it should be managed by the IIHF, not NHL/NHPA.

To me, the whole arrangement and the statements done by the organizers seem very arrogant to the international hockey.

Team Finland should immediately scratch Lindell or Pokka - and call in Karalahti, who was suspended by NHL some 10 years ago. Let's see what NHL would say about that.
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In a January 21, 2002 interview with Sports Illustrated Karalahti detailed his history of drug use, which included an arrest in 1996 for possession of various quantities of marijuana, amphetamines and heroin that resulted in a brief suspension by the SM-liiga.[7] He told the magazine that he had been drug-free for five years. Nevertheless, on August 16 of that year, the NHL suspended him for six months for his third violation of the league's substance abuse policy. However, this time the violation involved alcohol, not drugs. Following the suspension, Karalahti returned to Finland.[8]

His NHL suspension resulted in him being unable to compete in the 2004 World Cup of Hockey.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jere_Karalahti#Substance_abuse
 
sob said:

Then I wish Canada happy 4th of July :-)

Seriously speaking, I find it interesting that the sovereign state of Canada complies to what the USA mandates.

This is not unheard of though. EU pretty much controls the politics within the EU countries. I had the (mis)impression that the USA and Canada are not that close.
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What does the location of a crime have to do with criminality? The guy is a criminal, regardless of where he committed his crime; USA, Russia, or the Moon. He has a criminal record. Many countries would bar him from entry for his crimes.

Off the top of my head, Floyd Mayweather Jr. was denied entry into Australia for domestic violence convictions.

Paris Hilton was banned from Japan for drug convictions.

Wake up! The NHL is not after you!
 
sob said:

Then I wish Canada happy 4th of July :-)

Seriously speaking, I find it interesting that the sovereign state of Canada complies to what the USA mandates.

This is not unheard of though. EU pretty much controls the politics within the EU countries. I had the (mis)impression that the USA and Canada are not that close.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, but most countries bar convicted criminals from other jurisdictions. I'm guessing Finland does too.
 
Caser said:
Well, as far as I know Datsyuk didn't get any bans, so even if he retires he will just play there as any other KHL guy.
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Because he hasn't signed yet...I'm not even sure he's filed his retirement papers yet, he may give them a chance to try to trade his contract but they've already expressed they don't want to do that yada yada yada...point being, they can't ban him until he crosses the line, but when he crosses it there's certainly the chance there will be consequences.
 
Macman said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at, but most countries bar convicted criminals from other jurisdictions. I'm guessing Finland does too.
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I think he's just angry that the World Cup of Hockey trounces the World Championships in relevance even with two gimmick teams that shouldn't exist.
 
kabidjan18 said:
Because he hasn't signed yet...I'm not even sure he's filed his retirement papers yet, he may give them a chance to try to trade his contract but they've already expressed they don't want to do that yada yada yada...point being, they can't ban him until he crosses the line, but when he crosses it there's certainly the chance there will be consequences.
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If he retires, then there is no NHL contract anymore and he can sign anywhere he wants without consequences, as he won't have any contract obligations in NHL anymore. If he doesn't retire - he just won't be able to sign in KHL due to the NHL/KHL agreement.
 
Caser said:
If he retires, then there is no NHL contract anymore and he can sign anywhere he wants without consequences, as he won't have any contract obligations in NHL anymore. If he doesn't retire - he just won't be able to sign in KHL due to the NHL/KHL agreement.
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First off with the right strings pulled the NHL could just ban him for a bs made up reason, but also they need his Transfer Card to be signed, among other issues (when I left the board that was the topic). You can go to the Red Wings board there's a long discussion there that oscillates between unnecessary hate for Holland and people giving way to many details on the situation. Needless to say it wouldn't be unreasonable to see it happen.
 
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