NHL may bar Slava Voynov from competing for Russia in World Cup (UPD: Voynov Banned)

[hockeykicker]

If Russia wants to bow out of the tournament, all they have to do is follow the lead of their fellow national athletes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...fences-iaaf-overturn-suspension-a7086976.html

this article shows that athletes want to participate even if someone on their team is suspended. they were banned, not by choice. so your comment doesnt really compare to this situation

 

[Yakushev72]

Seems to be part of the sporting culture there.

It was common knowledge that the eastern European athletes were jacked up in the 60's and 70's.

I always suspected the Soviet teams were using, makes a fella wonder about the soviet hockey teams in the 70's.

Wouldn't be surprised.

It sounds like you might be grasping for something controversial to say. What could the Soviets have been "using" in the 1970's that would make them a better team? None of the drugs used by track and field or cross country athletes apply to hockey. Be more specific about the substance you think they were using!

 

[DyerMaker66*]

Being faster and having more strength don't apply to hockey?

 

[jj cale]

It sounds like you might be grasping for something controversial to say. What could the Soviets have been "using" in the 1970's that would make them a better team? None of the drugs used by track and field or cross country athletes apply to hockey. Be more specific about the substance you think they were using!

Something that would aid in endurance and strength perhaps? They would both be helpful in hockey situations.

I'm no performance enhancing drug expert but something along those lines would seem to help, it seemed to be looked upon as a great aid in other sports back then.........and unfortunately today.

Were the Soviet teams using back then? I don 't know, but would it surprise me considering the well known use of it by eastern european athletes back then and unfortunately by Russian athletes today?

Far stranger and unlikely things have happened.

I can't prove it and obviously it isn't something they will ever admit to up to 40 plus years after the fact but it would hardly shock me.

As a betting man and i had to lay money down on it I would say the chances are at least better then slim.

The culture of using was/is there.



Grasping for something controversial to say? I don't think so all things considered.

Are you saying it is 100% not possible?

Consider you did just have your entire track and field team booted out. Not the best sign for your point of view.


I can only say I suspected it back then and still do to this day. Granted, proving it is quite another thing.

 

[jj cale]

Being faster and having more strength don't apply to hockey?

Yeah.

You would think that would be tailor made for hockey, and many/most others.

how would those things only apply to track and field?

 

[Yakushev72]

Something that would aid in endurance and strength perhaps? They would both be helpful in hockey situations.

I'm no performance enhancing drug expert but something along those lines would seem to help, it seemed to be looked upon as a great aid in other sports back then.........and unfortunately today.

Were the Soviet teams using back then? I don 't know, but would it surprise me considering the well known use of it by eastern european athletes back then and unfortunately by Russian athletes today?

Far stranger and unlikely things have happened.

I can't prove it and obviously it isn't something they will ever admit to up to 40 plus years after the fact but it would hardly shock me.

As a betting man and i had to lay money down on it I would say the chances are at least better then slim.

The culture of using was/is there.



Grasping for something controversial to say? I don't think so all things considered.

Are you saying it is 100% not possible?

Consider you did just have your entire track and field team booted out. Not the best sign for your point of view.


I can only say I suspected it back then and still do to this day. Granted, proving it is quite another thing.

Drugs for endurance (EPO, blood boosting) are completely worthless in hockey, where shifts are typically a minute or less. Of course, EPO didn't become available until the late 1980's. There are no drugs for speed, but anabolic steroids apply to power. But steroids were in widespread use throughout the 1970's in North America and everywhere else, and there was no real regulation anywhere. I'm not arguing that Russian track and field and cross country skiing endurance athletes weren't using drugs, but so was every American cyclist that participated in the Tour de France for the last two decades. When it is not tightly regulated, everyone uses! There are no good guys!

 

[jj cale]

Drugs for endurance (EPO, blood boosting) are completely worthless in hockey, where shifts are typically a minute or less. Of course, EPO didn't become available until the late 1980's. There are no drugs for speed, but anabolic steroids apply to power. But steroids were in widespread use throughout the 1970's in North America and everywhere else, and there was no real regulation anywhere. I'm not arguing that Russian track and field and cross country skiing endurance athletes weren't using drugs, but so was every American cyclist that participated in the Tour de France for the last two decades. When it is not tightly regulated, everyone uses! There are no good guys!

o.k.

Maybe you're right, I dunno.

But the 100 yard dash lasts less then 10 seconds and it certainly helped Ben Johnson. If you've got a bunch of players with more power from 1 to 23 down the lineup then the other team has that is certainly going to help you, 60 second shifts or not.

Especially over a taxing 60 minute high intensity game like hockey.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

o.k.

Maybe you're right, I dunno.

But the 100 yard dash lasts less then 10 seconds and it certainly helped Ben Johnson.

It helped the guy who "actually" won, too.

But we don't have to mention that.

 

[jj cale]

It helped the guy who "actually" won, too.

But we don't have to mention that.

Who? do you mean Lewis?

I haven't heard he was ever busted for ped's?

Did i miss something?

 

[Minor Boarding]

Seems to be part of the sporting culture there.

It was common knowledge that the eastern European athletes were jacked up in the 60's and 70's.

I always suspected the Soviet teams were using, makes a fella wonder about the soviet hockey teams in the 70's.

Wouldn't be surprised.

Yeah, but lets not pretend, the US athletes aren't exactly enjoying a clean history ie. Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones...

 

[jj cale]

It helped the guy who "actually" won, too.

But we don't have to mention that.

Sure, that's true.

Although that wasn't a concern when playing hockey against them back then.

But the Russian teams? hmm, all I can say is that I have always wondered.

 

[SashaSemin28]

Who? do you mean Lewis?

I haven't heard he was ever busted for ped's?

Did i miss something?

Everyone except the person who finished last in that final has been found to have been doping at some point.

 

[Henkka]

Everyone except the person who finished last in that final has been found to have been doping at some point.

Oh, I remembered it was "only" 6/8 of those finalists. But it is 7 already.

Hilarious truth.

 

[xxxx]

Russia acknowledges Voynov not eligible for World Cup

So Voynov is not going to play; Nesterov seems to be the official replacement.

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[Plural]

I think most were expecting Voynov not to play.