NHL.com Trophy Tracker - Hart Trophy

[BusQuets]

I don't think secondary assists played a big part in Mcdavid's season this year.

Mcdavid has 47 first assists and 28 second assists.

Matthews has 26 first assists and 20 second assists.

The gap between first assists is 21 and the gap between second is 8.

Yeah but 60+26 would look better for statistic driven voters compared to 44+47. You stack the secondaries there and their monkey brains start to prefer the McDavid's stat line more.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Ovechkin had a lot more goals than Sedin in 09/10 and was 3 points behind in the scoring race despite 10 fewer games.

Sedin won the Hart.

The Hart trophy is such a crapshoot.

I agree. Voters are terrible, inconsistent, and don't follow any sort of logical metric. We'll have no idea who wins this year (it's really close between probably 2-4 players, though 2 is more likely because of name, market, and precedence) until it's announced.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

‘What is this mental gymnastics? Even if you took away the Leaf's 3 shootout wins, and their OT wins and turned them all into ties - this would still be a better season than anything in anywhere close to recent history.’
No need to be so sensitive. Finishing in 4th place in the NHL is a heck of an accomplishment. But let’s not exaggerate it’s importance given the rule changes.

 

[LastOne2100]

‘What is this mental gymnastics? Even if you took away the Leaf's 3 shootout wins, and their OT wins and turned them all into ties - this would still be a better season than anything in anywhere close to recent history.’
No need to be so sensitive. Finishing in 4th place in the NHL is a heck of an accomplishment. But let’s not exaggerate it’s importance given the rule changes.

Finishing 4th is certainly more impressive than finishing 12th. If you think the team's relative performance doesn't factor in, you'd be wrong.

Anyways, it's up to the voters, not posters on a forum. I think either option is a good option here, anyone thinking that any one is a runaway favorite is nuts.

 

[PromisedLand]

Yet has some of the worst GA numbers in the league for centerman. That's in spite of having missed 8 games.

McDavid and Drai do not even feature for top 15 players in points/60

Also your claim about even strength GF% the diff b/w Matthews and McDavid is just 3 percentage points while points per 60 Matthews blows both McDrai out of water. If Matthew played as many minutes or got as many freebies penalties or flopped as much as McDrai to cry for penalties Matthews would be leading the league in points even with less ice time.

 

[Sypher04]

I like Matthews case as much as anyone else but I’m not going to pretend like there aren’t 3 or 4 guys who should be in this conversation

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Finishing 4th is certainly more impressive than finishing 12th. If you think the team's relative performance doesn't factor in, you'd be wrong.

Absolutely. Finishing 4th is a great achievement.

 

[Richardbro]

Matthews is going to win. 60 goals hasn't been done in 10 years and an unofficial 50 in 50 hasn't been done in 25 years. Those are strong narratives.

McDavid had a fantastic season but Kucherov just had a 120+ point season a few years ago. Also, sprinkle in a little bit of voter fatigue for McDavid (it is what it is, happens in every sport unfortunately).

 

[Buzzman17]

Connor McDavid is literally almost 20 points clear of Matthews.

in no world will he win the Hart over McGoat, unless the Leaf media and homers push an agenda to do so.

The rest of the league knows who the MVP is.

Rest of the league knows who the floating art Ross trophy winner is. Best player in the game and MVP is Auston Matthews.

 

[Bank Shot]

Yeah but 60+26 would look better for statistic driven voters compared to 44+47. You stack the secondaries there and their monkey brains start to prefer the McDavid's stat line more.

Well statistic driven voters could look at expected goals for in all situations were Mcdavid led 144 to 118.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

McDavid and Drai do not even feature for top 15 players in points/60
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Also your claim about even strength GF% the diff b/w Matthews and McDavid is just 3 percentage points while points per 60 Matthews blows both McDrai out of water. If Matthew played as many minutes or got as many freebies penalties or flopped as much as McDrai to cry for penalties Matthews would be leading the league in points even with less ice time.

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now do on-ice shooting %
or percentage of time together on ice between Matthews and Marner compared to McDavid and his teammates

 

[Spawn]

McDavid and Drai do not even feature for top 15 players in points/60
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Also your claim about even strength GF% the diff b/w Matthews and McDavid is just 3 percentage points while points per 60 Matthews blows both McDrai out of water. If Matthew played as many minutes or got as many freebies penalties or flopped as much as McDrai to cry for penalties Matthews would be leading the league in points even with less ice time.

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What does any of this have to do with Matthews having laughable goals against?

 

[LastOne2100]

Absolutely. Finishing 4th is a great achievement.

Funny how you completely change narrative when you realize your argument was not based in fact.

Anyways, fun debate, and as I've said multiple times, both players have a strong case for it, two good choices for two great seasons.

 

[Buzzman17]

Matthews is going to win. 60 goals hasn't been done in 10 years and an unofficial 50 in 50 hasn't been done in 25 years. Those are strong narratives.

McDavid had a fantastic season but Kucherov just had a 120+ point season a few years ago.

And he backchecks

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Rest of the league knows who the floating art Ross trophy winner is. Best player in the game and MVP is Auston Matthews.

"best player in the game" should also be an great playmaker and make others around him better

Matthews doesn't do that

 

[wetcoast]

I don't know, its soo subjective this year, some are going to prefer to sheer offensive domination of McDavid and some may prefer the goal scoring and 2 way game of Matthews. IMO their both right. For the 1st time in a long time since young sid and Ovi have 2 legit all time players who play different styles.

If AM didn't miss as much time as he did he very well might ahve won but McDavid has turned on the Jets and they will be the 2 finalists.

I would have McDavid #1 on my ballot but there might be some "another Oiler Hart" fatigue.

 

[LevelingSolo]

McDavid vs Matthews at this point

 

[Subbanned]

now do on-ice shooting %
or percentage of time together on ice between Matthews and Marner compared to McDavid and his teammates

Sorry honey, wouldn't change the fact that McDavid gets significantly more ice than Matthews. P/60, time on PP etc illustrates quite clearly....Matthews MVP AINEC

Matthews
Gaudreau
Huberdeau/McDavid/Shesterkin (goalies are hard to value unfort, works against Igor)

 

[authentic]

Matthews is going to win. 60 goals hasn't been done in 10 years and an unofficial 50 in 50 hasn't been done in 25 years. Those are strong narratives.

McDavid had a fantastic season but Kucherov just had a 120+ point season a few years ago.

Kucherov basically equals McDavid offensively when it matters anyway. Both offensive dynamos but neither are better than Matthews.

 

[BusQuets]

Well statistic driven voters could look at expected goals for in all situations were Mcdavid led 144 to 118.

Complimenting Matthews' generational shooting ability?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Funny how you completely change narrative when you realize your argument was not based in fact.

Anyways, fun debate, and as I've said multiple times, either player deserves it.

I never changed my argument. It’s their best season since the shootout came in.
I just pointed out the numerous historic errors in your original post which didn’t give enough respect to some great Leaf teams of the past. Hopefully you learned something.
Cheers!

 

[Buzzman17]

"best player in the game" should also be an great playmaker and make others around him better

Matthews doesn't do that

best player should also score 50 in 50 like Jagr and Lemieux. Why hasnt that been done by mcdavid Crosby ovy?

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

Ya really must suck to play with a 40 goal almost ppg winger.

That winger was never close to sniffing 40 goals in a season and has a career high of 30 goals and 50-something points before playing with McDavid. I wonder why that is

 

[PromisedLand]

What does any of this have to do with Matthews having laughable goals against?

LMAO that is proof. a.k.a FACTS

GF% matters. Production given ice time matters! Not flopping like fish out of water everytime someone breathes near you matters.

If you dont think it matters don't have to look far just see how Jets absolutely sweeped the crap out of oilers last season.

 

[wetcoast]

McDavid and Drai do not even feature for top 15 players in points/60
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Also your claim about even strength GF% the diff b/w Matthews and McDavid is just 3 percentage points while points per 60 Matthews blows both McDrai out of water. If Matthew played as many minutes or got as many freebies penalties or flopped as much as McDrai to cry for penalties Matthews would be leading the league in points even with less ice time.

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Obviously all of those players should be playing 5 or 6 MPG more every night thus guaranteeing their teams win every game...er well that's not really how it works but whatever.