NHL.com Trophy Tracker - Hart Trophy

[WetcoastOrca]

McDavid
Matthews

Huberdeau
Gaudreau
Draisaitl


I think that’s the top five in order (forwards only as Josi is in the mix too).
Three to five are pretty interchangeable at this point and may come down to the final stretch.

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

McDavid
Matthews

Huberdeau
Gaudreau
Draisaitl


I think that’s the top five in order (forwards only as Josi is in the mix too).
Three to five are pretty interchangeable at this point and may come down to the final stretch.

I think the PHWA is going to look for every chance not to give it to McDavid this year. If he or Huberdau wins the Art Ross it's likely Matthews to lose. If Gaudreau makes a surprise push and ends up winning the scoring race then I think he'll probably lock it up.

 

[Cup or Bust]

I think the best season combined with being the most valuable to his team is McDavid but I don't think he will win it. One of the more hyped players will win and that is fine. The Oilers have won enough individual awards at this point, I don't think anyone really cares that much about those any more. Starting next season legitimately competing for the Cup is all the matters, otherwise what is the point.

 

[thaman8765678]

McDavid has played 267 more minutes than Gaudreau this year.

Imagine how many more points he would have with all that extra ice time.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

McDavid has played 267 more minutes than Gaudreau this year.

Imagine how many more points he would have with all that extra ice time.

Imagine how many more points McDavid would have playing at even strength with Gaudreau’s linemates (Lindholm and Tkachuk) instead of Hyman and Puljaarvi.

 

[Mez]

Not only this....imagine if he was as tall as McDavid... easily 10 more points per an inch. He would be smashing Gretzky's records!

 

[Snipes45]

Imagine how many more points McDavid would have playing at even strength with Gaudreau’s linemates (Lindholm and Tkachuk) instead of Hyman and Puljaarvi.

No no no. It can only go one way. Hilarious that people think more ice time means more points. Heard of fatigue? I don't think slow as molasses Tkachuk could even play that much constantly with JG and be effective. Who knows if JG would be. Mindboggling when I read that garbage. These are not robots. They are human.

And remember folks, Drai was sh** on for playing with McDavid, and vice versa, but we praise two other guys here who play with 100 point players lol.

The hypocrisy will never fail.

Drai was moved to a different line and wins a Hart, etc

 

[daver]

The "Gaudreau for Hart" campaigners, believe or not, may be becoming the most irritating of the bunch.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

No no no. It can only go one way. Hilarious that people think more ice time means more points. Heard of fatigue? I don't think slow as molasses Tkachuk could even play that much constantly with JG and be effective. Who knows if JG would be. Mindboggling when I read that garbage. These are not robots. They are human.

Well, most of them anyways.

 

[McShogun99]

McDavid
Matthews

Huberdeau
Gaudreau
Draisaitl


I think that’s the top five in order (forwards only as Josi is in the mix too).
Three to five are pretty interchangeable at this point and may come down to the final stretch.

Mcdavid won't even finish top 3 in voting. He might not even win the Art Ross this year. He needs to be so far ahead of the pack to win the Hart now because of the expectations placed on him. It's Matthews this year even if Draisaitl ties or passes him in goals.

I think the tier is like this;

Matthews

Gaudreau
Huberdeau
Josi

Draisaitl
Mcdavid
Shesterkin

 

[Fivealive5]

The "Gaudreau for Hart" campaigners, believe or not, may be becoming the most irritating of the bunch.

Worse than the guys who think McDavid is better than Matthews?

 

[Jacob Roberts]

Nope, not what I'm saying at all.

I said Vegas and oddsmakers don't try to predict winners, they try to drive money. Usually, a favorite is established early. The amount of money and the odds of that "favorite" winner predicts the line, the line moves when the money moves, not when another "favorite" challenges. The favorite will remain on top as long as the money is coming in for the favorite.

Take a prop bet on heads or tails, if heads is listed early as the favorite, and more money is placed on heads, it's not that Vegas believes heads has a better chance, both have an equal chance, but the more money means the odds move. This is just an example, might not be actual.

How is a favorite established early? You’re telling me all MVPs start on a blank slate and the gamblers make the odds?

They employ the world best handicappers to handicap events and create markets. Essentially, they DO predict the outcomes of events - that’s what odds are!! How else would they know where their biggest risks are? They would expose themselves to huge losses if they didn’t offer prices accurate to chances of outcomes.

Odds can and do change all the time based on a multitude of variables; injuries, team trends, general form. It’s not a purely money driven thing; although yes, money can and does affect odds once a market has already been created. Just not to the degree you’re suggesting.

Your example is extremely confusing because heads and tails is a 50/50 example, why would either be a favorite? Vegas would make money by offering both sides slightly less than 2.00 to win - maybe 1.87. Over time, they’ll win their money.

All this is to say that if Austin Matthews is the Vegas favorite, it’s because Vegas believes he’s the most likely to win.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

McDavid
Gaudreau
Josi
Huberdeau
Matthews
Miller
Barkov

 

[Darren McCord]

I don't think Huberdeau gets enough love.

111 points to lead the Art Ross Race

72 EVP
34 PP
5 SHP

He plays both special teams and averages only 19 mins a night. I know Florida is a power house, but he is a big part of the reason why.

 

[Spawn]

What a bizarre argument that because a player plays fewer minutes in means he's more valuable.

I can't wait for people to start arguing that the Norris trophy should go to some d-man because he only plays 22 minutes a game versus a guy who plays 27.

 

[DropIt]

What a bizarre argument that because a player plays fewer minutes in means he's more valuable.

I can't wait for people to start arguing that the Norris trophy should go to some d-man because he only plays 22 minutes a game versus a guy who plays 27.

Means his goal scoring isnt quite as prominent over his competition

 

[authentic]

Matthews still takes it no problem if he plays the remaining games

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Matthews still takes it no problem if he plays the remaining games

I think the Matthews for Hart narrative has been busted by the revelation that the Leafs still win games without him. He obviously can't be the most valuable player to his team.

The Rocket is not a bad consolation though. And no narrative-building or lobbying effort needed.

 

[authentic]

I think the Matthews for Hart narrative has been busted by the revelation that the Leafs still win games without him. He obviously can't be the most valuable player to his team.

The Rocket is not a bad consolation though. And no narrative-building or lobbying effort needed.

Oh true they would be 70-10-2 without him for sure

 

[thaman8765678]

Matthew's team blowing another team out without him playing? I, for one am shocked.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Oh true they would be 70-10-2 without him for sure

I don't remember people ever caring about stuff like this when Kucherov/Mackinnon were in Hart contention in the very recent past. No one should ever get a boost in the Hart race because their team sucks just like no one should be punished for playing for a good team.

I don't think Huberdeau gets enough love.

111 points to lead the Art Ross Race

72 EVP
34 PP
5 SHP

He plays both special teams and averages only 19 mins a night. I know Florida is a power house, but he is a big part of the reason why.

He might win the Hart but it won't be as deserved as say McDavid, Gaudreau, Shesty, Matthews. If he wins the Art Ross it will be by a minuscule amount while he is the clear worst defensive player in the hunt amongst forwards and playing as a winger.

 

[sansabri]

give it to Josi

 

[AcerComputer]

I think the Matthews for Hart narrative has been busted by the revelation that the Leafs still win games without him. He obviously can't be the most valuable player to his team.

The Rocket is not a bad consolation though. And no narrative-building or lobbying effort needed.

Are the Leafs (being the 3rd best team in the league) simply suppose to lose to the lowly Islanders and the bottom dwelling Flyers because Matthews is out?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Are the Leafs suppose to lose to the lowly Islanders and the bottom dwelling Flyers because Matthews is out?

If these people had their way Gretzky would have zero Harts.

 

[thaman8765678]

No way you can give Matthew's the Hart. His team is the same without him.

Give it to a player who is the MVP of their team.