Duffalufagus
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NHL.com Trophy Tracker - Hart Trophy
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I see your +60 (which can be attributed to playing with Thachuk and Lindholm who have had better career plus/minuses than Gaudreau before this season) and raise you the number of players in NHL history with 120 points and were in on 45% of their team's offense.
Great season by Gaudreau, just not quite good enough to win the Hart or be viewed as better than McDavid's. Super close though.
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So Gaudreau's +/- is only because of his linemates, but McDavid's extra PP points have nothing to do with the 60-70 extra PP minutes he gets?
At least try to be consistent.
I am a lot more impressed with indiviudal stats than I am with ones that can be heavily influenced by linemates, especially when talking a W with considerably less defensive responsibilities than any other player.
If you haven't gotten the message yet, hypothetically giving McDavid less PP time makes zero sense and has zero relevance in this discussion.
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Nathaniel Skywalker
DIG IN!!! RiGHT NOW!!!
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Not in McDavid's case. He is proven to get his points regardless. He is that type of player.
Niten Ichi Ryu
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The Hart Memorial Trophy is an annual award given "to the player adjudged to be the most valuable to his team."
While the Lindsay for is for the most outstanding player of the league.
I strongly believe there will be separate winners for the Hart and Linsday this season
Hart:
-If we take Matthews away from Toronto, are the Leafs still a playoff team this season? I'd bet on yes, they have solid depth, and a plethora of premier forwards
-If we take McDavid away from Edmonton, are the Oilers still a playoff team this season? Self explanatory
-If we take Josi away from Nashville, are the Preds in a wildcard position? Not even close. He's their backbone and the primary reason they're in contention.
Personally, according the official definition of the Hart trophy, the player most valuable to his team, my vote would be for Josi or McDavid
Recency bias is such a major factor for the Hart trophy. Remember in the beginning of the year when McDavid serenaded his tune and McDangled 4 rangers for the goal of year? It was #1 trending on youtube for several days, which is an anomaly for hockey. I'm willing to wager if he did that in April rather than November, it would impact his case exponentially more, because of recency bias
But because the media (writers association) is so predictable, Matthews will win the Hart. While the players will award the Lindsay to McDavid
While the Lindsay for is for the most outstanding player of the league.
I strongly believe there will be separate winners for the Hart and Linsday this season
Hart:
-If we take Matthews away from Toronto, are the Leafs still a playoff team this season? I'd bet on yes, they have solid depth, and a plethora of premier forwards
-If we take McDavid away from Edmonton, are the Oilers still a playoff team this season? Self explanatory
-If we take Josi away from Nashville, are the Preds in a wildcard position? Not even close. He's their backbone and the primary reason they're in contention.
Personally, according the official definition of the Hart trophy, the player most valuable to his team, my vote would be for Josi or McDavid
Recency bias is such a major factor for the Hart trophy. Remember in the beginning of the year when McDavid serenaded his tune and McDangled 4 rangers for the goal of year? It was #1 trending on youtube for several days, which is an anomaly for hockey. I'm willing to wager if he did that in April rather than November, it would impact his case exponentially more, because of recency bias
But because the media (writers association) is so predictable, Matthews will win the Hart. While the players will award the Lindsay to McDavid
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Gaudreau has been the best player in the league this year. Period. Full stop. No one makes players around him better than he does. But he’ll never get the credit he deserves around the league.
My guess is Matthews wins.
My guess is Matthews wins.
Tkachuk Norris
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He plays with Leon Draisatl who is at worst a top 3 PP player in the league, and personally i think Drai is the best PP player in the game.
It’s not complicated; If Vegas have Matthews as the favorite to win…. it’s because they think he will win. And they are usually right.
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You’re suggesting that although Matthews is listed as favorite, Vegas doesn’t actually believe he’s the favorite, and instead are giving the public worse than his true odds in order to “move money”. Makes sense.
TheHudlinator
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Points per 60 is close between Gaudreau (4.58) and Huberdeau (4.52), Matthews isn't terribly far off (4.26) but is a scoring machine. Josi deserves to be in the conversation as well, pretty tight race.
Dr Jan Itor
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No forward is lapping the field enough, but the closest is Matthews with 4 more goals in 5 fewer games than 2nd place. And too many teammates/linemates in the top 10.
Shesterkin is ahead of 2nd place in save % by the same amount that 2nd place is ahead of 7th.
And Josi is doing something that hasn't been done in 25 or so years.
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Shesterkin is ahead of 2nd place in save % by the same amount that 2nd place is ahead of 7th.
And Josi is doing something that hasn't been done in 25 or so years.
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He will probably win but you can make a case Gaudreau is having the better season.
Especially considering he is putting up even strength point numbers that were last reached in the 80s...
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Richardbro
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I believe Matthews will win the hart partly because of the 50 goals in 50 games narrative, which is also something that probably won't be done for another 30 years or even 50 years.
Taylor Hall won in 2018 also partly because of his 26 game point streak which had a lot of attention at the time.
Matthews is the best goal scorer this year but Gaudreau has been the best overall forward.
Hart nominees will be Matthews, Gaudreau and Josi with Matthews winning.
I thought Mcdavid was making a case a few weeks ago but his recent play has all but lost him a nominee unless he puts up something outrageous in the next 7 games like 2 OT winners and 15 points.
Taylor Hall won in 2018 also partly because of his 26 game point streak which had a lot of attention at the time.
Matthews is the best goal scorer this year but Gaudreau has been the best overall forward.
Hart nominees will be Matthews, Gaudreau and Josi with Matthews winning.
I thought Mcdavid was making a case a few weeks ago but his recent play has all but lost him a nominee unless he puts up something outrageous in the next 7 games like 2 OT winners and 15 points.
I feel like for gaudreau or Huberdeau to win, they win need to win the art Ross. In the cap era, 8 wingers have won the hart trophy, and only once of those 8 times that winger who won the hart didn’t win the art Ross or rocket…and that was Taylor hall.
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Gaudreau is on pace for 40 goals 115 points +65, with a ridiculous 91 ES points.
That has to get him some serious attention, regardless of whether he wins the art ross.
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Nail was in Crosbys Coffin 4 years ago. Still didn't prevent you from spewing vomit for the last 4 years....
I was just illustrating that only once out of the last 8 hart winger winners that they didn’t win the art Ross or rocket.
