NHL: Around the League 49

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Luongo should have two Vezina's. And a Hart. He wasn't just "good".

 

[madgoat33]

Many folks around here loved to diss Luongo because he played on a rival team. Typical homer BS - ironically they are guilty of the same thing that they constantly criticize about other fan bases.

Well, I didnt realize he was 4th all time in wins, but he never stood out to me as a great goalie.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Well, I didnt realize he was 4th all time in wins, but he never stood out to me as a great goalie.

That's because the Hawks lit him up more often than not.

 

[ClydeLee]

I appreciate Luo and delivers HOF, the only question is how much playoff choking he did.

But the wins thing is so dumb, we should calculate goalie wins by ROW since the shootout. Don't list total wins, list ROW, every shootout figure was a tie back before then.

 

[BobbyJet]

I appreciate Luo and delivers HOF, the only question is how much playoff choking he did.

But the wins thing is so dumb, we should calculate goalie wins by ROW since the shootout. Don't list total wins, list ROW, every shootout figure was a tie back before then.

Well, I didnt realize he was 4th all time in wins, but he never stood out to me as a great goalie.

Here we go. Next we're going to hear that Crawford deserves it more.

 

[madgoat33]

Here we go. Next we're going to hear that Crawford deserves it more.

Are you a professional victim?

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Crow was great for us and should get his number retired, Hall be damned.

But man, you gotta stop having him live rent-free in your head if you still don’t like him.

 

[RayP]

Here we go. Next we're going to hear that Crawford deserves it more.

Did Crawford shoot your daughter down for a date or something? Mercy.

 

[BobbyJet]

Crow was great for us and should get his number retired, Hall be damned.

But man, you gotta stop having him live rent-free in your head if you still don’t like him.

Those that actually know the game will determine the good from the mediocre, certainly not you clowns. See ya in September.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

Corey Crawford should be in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Those that actually know the game will determine the good from the mediocre, certainly not you clowns. See ya in September.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Those that actually know the game will determine the good from the mediocre, certainly not you clowns. See ya in September.

Like Kevin Lowe?

 

[hawksrule]

I think neither Crawford or Luongo should be in the hof, but if I had to pick one for a big playoff series, it’s Crawford easy.

 

[JaegerDice]

If Lou hadnt been absolutely robbed of the Vezina in 2007, there wouldnt even be a fringe debate as to his worthiness.

As it is, he was elite for damn near a decade and great even longer than that. No problem with him as a first ballot hof inductee.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

It should be remembered era that Luongo played in which artifically inflates wins via shootout

Luongo never won Vezina (Had five top 5 finishes), Only award win was sharing a Jennings (With Schneider) and won no SC

For comparable of not HOF worthy according to voters

Joseph = 454 wins (7th)
Five top 5 finishes for Vezina and no cup

Osgood = 401 wins (13th)
One Vezina top 5 finish , 2 shared Jennings (One with Vernon and one with Hasek) but won 3 cups (two as starter) and was starter in another cup run in which Wings lost in game 7 (To Pens)

Ryan Miller = 391 wins (14th)
Won a single Vezina (2010) but no other top 5 finishes nor any SC appearances or wins

Vernon = 385 wins (16th)
Had three top 5 Vezina finishes, Won Conn Smythe, Shared a Jenning trophy (With Osgood) and was starter for 2 cup winners (89 Flames and 97 Wings)

Vanbiesbrouck = 374 wins (17th)
Won a single Vezina (1986) while finishing top five 3 other times and was in net for Panthers 96 final run

Moog = 372 wins (18th)
Had four top 5 Vezina finishes, Shared a Jennings (With Lemelin). Won 3 cups as backup though in first Oilers cup he was winning goalie for final 2 games of SCF and outplayed Fuhr. Was starter or partner in three additional finals losses in Edmonton and Boston

Barrasso = 369 wins (19th)
Won Vezina (1984) and had three additional top five finishes, Calder (1984), Share of Jennings (With Suave). Won starting goalie for two cup winning teams

If Luongo is HOF worthy then there is no damn good reason Vernon, Moog, Barrasso and Vanbiesbrouck should not be in HOF and there isn't much difference between Josephy/Luongo

Only CuJo is a HOF of those guys.

It's not that Luongo isn't a HOF, more that CuJo deserves to be in but isn't.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If Lou hadnt been absolutely robbed of the Vezina in 2007, there wouldnt even be a fringe debate as to his worthiness.

As it is, he was elite for damn near a decade and great even longer than that. No problem with him as a first ballot hof inductee.

07 wasn't even the year he was jobbed the most.

 

[JaegerDice]

07 wasn't even the year he was jobbed the most.

You may be right. Just the year I remembered being most dumbfounded. That was the year he dragged an absolutely trash Canucks team to the 2nd round stopping almost 50 shots a night, wasnt it?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

@Kevin Musto

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

You may be right. Just the year I remembered being most dumbfounded. That was the year he dragged an absolutely trash Canucks team to the 2nd round stopping almost 50 shots a night, wasnt it?

He was even better in 04 but Florida was even worse.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Those that actually know the game will determine the good from the mediocre, certainly not you clowns. See ya in September.

Well, I guess that means you don't know shit about the game if you think Crow was mediocre.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Luongo should have two Vezina's. And a Hart. He wasn't just "good".

Woulda coulda shouldas don't matter to me. That is like blaming the refs for a loss.

 

[ClydeLee]

Woulda coulda shouldas don't matter to me. That is like blaming the refs for a loss.

That's entirely though on voters, the gms, being dumb. It's not like oh if he did better but the calls... no it's just objectively Lou was the best goalie in 2004 on any rational scale.

But much like dumb baseball pitcher voting they go by wins often or are judging by prior success.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Woulda coulda shouldas don't matter to me. That is like blaming the refs for a loss.

It's like a team winning 4-2 but somebody later saying nah I like the team that only scored twice more and everyone agreeing they are the winner.

 

[Putt Pirate]

It's like a team winning 4-2 but somebody later saying nah I like the team that only scored twice more and everyone agreeing they are the winner.

I think we can agree to disagree LOL!

 

[IU Hawks fan]

You cannot compare officiating to voting.

Award voting is much closer to, say, figure skating judging than it is on-ice officiating.