GDT: NHL 24 Draft Combine June 3-8 NOT the trade, roster or KK thread

[ginomini]

Basu knows absolutely nothing and I find it hard to believe that he even said this.......I suspect this is a paraphrase that missed the mark. That being said Basu does not understand the game or players/prospects at anything more than the level of a casual fan so his opinion on hockey players should mean very little to anybody. I think he does a good job with his articles for the most part....until he attempts to be an analyst, then it gets ugly.

dude.... paraphrase that misses the mark.....

"But in the equally unlikely event that neither of them is available, I think the Canadiens would lean toward taking a defenceman. And I don’t think they would trade down later in the top 10 to recoup an asset and take one of the top wingers available in either Tij Iginla or Beckett Sennecke, because they view the No. 5 pick as an opportunity to add a significant piece in their rebuild, and trading down would lessen the likelihood that player is a significant piece."

Also, he's a reporter not an analyst....he's reporting on what he's hearing at the combine. And he has been one of the most accurate reporters at these events in the past few years

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

How would you guys rank the following forwards:

Ryder Richie
Jett Luchanko
Maxime Masse

Luchanko, then Masse, then Richie. Luchenko could very well go top 20, he's in the mid first round mix.

 

[1909]

2nd line wingers shouldn't go 5oa

Cogratulations Nostradamus !

 

[Kents polished head]

dude.... paraphrase that misses the mark.....

"But in the equally unlikely event that neither of them is available, I think the Canadiens would lean toward taking a defenceman. And I don’t think they would trade down later in the top 10 to recoup an asset and take one of the top wingers available in either Tij Iginla or Beckett Sennecke, because they view the No. 5 pick as an opportunity to add a significant piece in their rebuild, and trading down would lessen the likelihood that player is a significant piece."

Also, he's a reporter not an analyst....he's reporting on what he's hearing at the combine. And he has been one of the most accurate reporters at these events in the past few years

I don't like Arpon Basu more than the next reporter. But he spent the whole week on the combine floor gossiping left and right. I'm not taking what he says as gospel, but he probably has enough information to take an educated guess.

His read on the situation definitely reflects the reality at some degree.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

dude.... paraphrase that misses the mark.....

"But in the equally unlikely event that neither of them is available, I think the Canadiens would lean toward taking a defenceman. And I don’t think they would trade down later in the top 10 to recoup an asset and take one of the top wingers available in either Tij Iginla or Beckett Sennecke, because they view the No. 5 pick as an opportunity to add a significant piece in their rebuild, and trading down would lessen the likelihood that player is a significant piece."

Also, he's a reporter not an analyst....he's reporting on what he's hearing at the combine. And he has been one of the most accurate reporters at these events in the past few years

He is giving his opinion just as I said he was. He is not hearing anything about who the Habs might take.....how could it be any more obvious that I am correct. Just read the actual words without smuggling your bias into the text.

He said "I think", he did not quote anyone or even assert that he has inside information . Just more ridiculous fan based confirmation bias and meaningless babble.

 

[ginomini]

He is giving his opinion just as I said he was. He is not hearing anything about who the Habs might take.....how could it be any more obvious that I am correct. Just read the actual words without smuggling your bias into the text.

He said "I think", he did not quote anyone or even assert that he has inside information . Just more ridiculous fan based confirmation bias and meaningless babble.

OKay....have it as you will. The title of the article is literally "What I’m hearing on the Canadiens ahead of their No. 5 pick at the 2024 NHL Draft".

Why do you need to feel like you have the absolute truth infused into your veins? lol

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

2nd line wingers shouldn't go 5oa

What a ridiculous statement.

He has 1st line upside......just because some fans have a delusional template that arbitrarily assigns ceilings to players and the depth charts of their unknown future teams does not mean that we should share this nonsense masquerading as facts.

 

[Hannibal]

If both Lindstrom and Demidov are gone, you take Dickinson and run, if they really want a Dman.

My choice would be Iginla.

 

[jaffy27]

Sniper would be an answer that they don't want imo as it is the lone wolf who is not in the trenches with his team and who takes more glamour without assuming equal risk. The equivalent of a player who stands around waiting for a one timer without doing the dirty work.

Medic seems like the obvious answer as you are in the trenches with your teammates and your only job is to put the well being of the man next to you above your own. You are helping to save lives as well as supporting the offensive by limiting the severity of the wounds and returning infantry back to the field as well as helping to keep morale up by competently handling situations that an incompetent medic might only exasperate. Being able to leave a conflict having saved lives without taking any seem optimal to me.

Pilot seems too much like a rock star primadonna as I am sure that most kids will immediately identify with a fighter pilot who is easily the most skilled of the three choices.

I would probably stump them right off the mark by asking if they are referring to a Bomber pilot, Fighter pilot or Personnel carrier pilot. All three require different skill-sets and temperament and come with different levels of risk and bravado. Just asking this question would make the kid a winner without even needing to answer the question.

Often times as a pilot you are flying on your own, at night, under the cover of darkness dropping missiles from 50,000ft…..you could be air to air which is very rare or air to ground. More often then not, nobody is shooting back.

my answer is still sniper, you’re a trained SEAL, the most selfless training in the world and now you are relied upon to clean up the harm that’s in your units way.

Like I previously said, all 3 are good answers, you just need to explain why.

Medic: probably the team captain as you are there for everyone, aiding whoever is in need.

Pilot: maybe the brawler like a WWII P-51 dog fighter, you’re a mucker getting pucks to the net and being a net front presence

Sniper: Cerebral, able to pull away, find a sweet spot on the ice where nobody is expecting you to be, puck finds you and boom, the puck gets sniped bar down.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

OKay....have it as you will. The title of the article is literally "What I’m hearing on the Canadiens ahead of their No. 5 pick at the 2024 NHL Draft".

Why do you need to feel like you have the absolute truth infused into your veins? lol

I only deal with the truth and when I don't know the truth I do my best to adhere to the evidence at hand.

If people want to dream up nonsense and share it on a message board then they should be accountable for their words.

edit: I just read the article in it's entirety and Basu is very clear about these only being his opinions and makes no claim of insider knowledge. He does say that the Habs like both Parekh and Buium but I am sure that the scouts that he does run into will give him that standard answer about all of the top prospects. If he is at the combine he will know who the Habs interviewed and might even have a feel for a sense of excitement around certain interviews as he does know everyone in the organization.But....like I said he makes a point of stating that "In the unlikely event both of them survive through the first four picks, I would guess (and it is just that, a guess) that the Canadiens would lean toward taking Lindstrom (more on that in a bit). " He is consistent with this approach in most of his articles yet he is quoted (paraphrased) on this board by biased members as an insider in order to push their narrative or to appear to be the bearer of new exciting insider secrets becoming public.

I prefer peer reviewed articles to internet bloggers but that is not representative of the majority of these message boards. There are no peer reviewed articles about the Montreal Canadiens future draft picks so I am left to swim in these murky waters and it can be incredibly annoying trying to sift through the biases and b.s.

 

[ginomini]

I only deal with the truth and when I don't know the truth I do my best to adhere to the evidence at hand.

If people want to dream up nonsense and share it on a message board then they should be accountable for their words.

One of the most reliable reporters spends the week at the combine and says that what he's been hearing makes him believe they might prefer Buium or Parekh at 5 before Iginla and Sennecke. Thats very far from dreaming up nonsense. It's also far from the truth, but suggesting that it's not worth discussing on a message board made to discuss rumours is simply arrogant and annoying really.

 

[jrom]

This is ridiculous.

There's no world in which Guhle is a first pairing D on a non-lottery team.

No one is saying he is currently but he will keep improving. He plays against the best players in the league and doesn’t look out of place. And even today, who is a better D than Guhle in the entire Habs org ?

 

[Schooner Guy]

I only deal with the truth and when I don't know the truth I do my best to adhere to the evidence at hand.

If people want to dream up nonsense and share it on a message board then they should be accountable for their words.

What don't you believe about his article? He was at the Combine for several days which is the first hockey event of the year where reps from every NHL team are together with the sole focus being on the draft. This of course triggers lots of conversation.

He is simply reporting on what he is hearing and the sense he's getting from what he's hearing. He isn't providing any analysis or trying to pretend he's capable of scouting and ranking players like blowhards such as Brian Wilde try to do.

 

[Demigod Gloves]

If both Demidov and Lindstrom are gone I hope they take the big Dickinson, he's a stud.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Often times as a pilot you are flying on your own, at night, under the cover of darkness dropping missiles from 50,000ft…..you could be air to air which is very rare or air to ground. More often then not, nobody is shooting back.

my answer is still sniper, you’re a trained SEAL, the most selfless training in the world and now you are relied upon to clean up the harm that’s in your units way.

Like I previously said, all 3 are good answers, you just need to explain why.

Medic: probably the team captain as you are there for everyone, aiding whoever is in need.

Pilot: maybe the brawler like a WWII P-51 dog fighter, you’re a mucker getting pucks to the net and being a net front presence

Sniper: Cerebral, able to pull away, find a sweet spot on the ice where nobody is expecting you to be, puck finds you and boom, the puck gets sniped bar down.

Among other things they are looking for kids that are hard wired to be team players which fighter pilots and snipers certainly are not in relation to a medic. There are other things that these answers reveal such as a person who is driven to be the best which is more favourable to the pilot and sniper roles.

I am sure that there are positives and negatives to each answer. I remember being told that players often chose a Lion as the animal that they identified as and that was considered a poor answer due to the male lion being a solitary animal and a selfish beast the would kill the cubs of a pride so that it could mate with the females.

These questions don't really mean that much and I doubt any team ever factored this answer into a draft table tie breaker lol. At the end of the day it is just a minuscule clue to the make up of the individual being interviewed and even then the same answers might be interpreted entirely differently by different teams and their experts......kind of like we are doing here

What don't you believe about his article? He was at the Combine for several days which is the first hockey event of the year where reps from every NHL team are together with the sole focus being on the draft. This of course triggers lots of conversation.

He is simply reporting on what he is hearing and the sense he's getting from what he's hearing. He isn't providing any analysis or trying to pretend he's capable of scouting and ranking players like blowhards such as Brian Wilde try to do.

He articulated that these are just his opinions and I have no problem with that. He absolutely would not have heard a peep about who the Habs may draft and he said as much in the article.

 

[WeThreeKings]

How would you guys rank the following forwards:

Ryder Richie
Jett Luchanko
Maxime Masse

Luchanko
Ritchie
Masse

 

[Habs Icing]

Buium imo is a year away, and blueline is already crowded on LD. Ditto Dickinson.

Parekh needs 2 years to upgrade his strength and skating. Savard & Kovacevic will be gone by then and probably Barron, too. We'll have Reinbacher, Mailloux & Parekh as our only true RD which is a little more palpable.

You're forgetting Konyushkov

 

[Habs Icing]

Basu knows absolutely nothing and I find it hard to believe that he even said this.......I suspect this is a paraphrase that missed the mark.

Before making such pronouncements maybe, just maybe, go read the article that Basu wrote.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I find Reinbacher and Parekh are types you want to give 22-24 mins to. One in all the defensive opportunities, the other in all offensive. Leaves Mailloux in no man’s land.

24 minutes to Parekh, a guy who can't play defense for his life??

Come on now! You put a gun to Parekh's head and tell him to play good D or we shoot his reply would be Just pull the trigger and save both of us time and energy!

Unfortunately tje 2 best defensemen in this draft are lefties: Buium and Dickinson.

If the Habs draft one of the 2, then it's because they have a possible trade in place involving Guhle.

Otherwise, Lindstrom. Iginla or Sennecke, come on down, you're the next prospect of tje Montreal Canadiens!

 

[overlords]

Buium imo is a year away, and blueline is already crowded on LD. Ditto Dickinson.

Parekh needs 2 years to upgrade his strength and skating. Savard & Kovacevic will be gone by then and probably Barron, too. We'll have Reinbacher, Mailloux & Parekh as our only true RD which is a little more palpable.

Hutson and Parekh in one d-corps sounds more pulpable than palpable IMO

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Really enjoying people who didn't appear at all in the draft thread throughout the year pass judgment on Parekh who they saw for the first time while injured at the memorial cup

 

[le_sean]

24 minutes to Parekh, a guy who can't play defense for his life??

Come on now! You put a gun to Parekh's head and tell him to play good D or we shoot his reply would be Just pull the trigger and save both of us time and energy!

Unfortunately tje 2 best defensemen in this draft are lefties: Buium and Dickinson.

If the Habs draft one of the 2, then it's because they have a possible trade in place involving Guhle.

Otherwise, Lindstrom. Iginla or Sennecke, come on down, you're the next prospect of tje Montreal Canadiens!

Yes, the idea is to outscore the opponent. When he’s on the ice, it tilts heavily in favour of his team.

Weird to think you’d draft a guy at 5th and not play him that many minutes.

 

[MasterMatt25]

Guhle is solid but he does not produce nearly enough to be a #1D

 

[dcyhabs]

Just read his article, Basu sees it as

Tier 1: Demidov or Lindstrom
Tier 2: Buuium or Parekh
Tier 3: Iggy or Senneke

I like Basu but I would not trust his judgement any more than I would the talking heads on TSN. Parekh will probably have great offense but a lot of scouts have reservations about his defence in the NHL and even in junior. You can play a pure offense forward with sheltered minutes, but it’s pretty tough for a D.

Buium is reported to be solid on defence, and his offensive stats are really good. I think there are some guys missing from Basu’s tiers. Sure, LHD is the least needed position now, but there are some guys that are good enough that passing on them would be nuts, depending on who is left.

I don’t see that Guhle has to go if the habs get a better player, either. Play those guys, and sign a forward or two once it’s time to compete. If they pick up some elite players they can live with some middle six guys who are just ok.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

OKay....have it as you will. The title of the article is literally "What I’m hearing on the Canadiens ahead of their No. 5 pick at the 2024 NHL Draft".

Why do you need to feel like you have the absolute truth infused into your veins? lol

It's a little pot meet kettle if you ask me.