Americanadian
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Forsberg should be the comparable. Pastrnak has basically been a 40 goal scorer for 5 seasons and paced 50 goals in 2 of those.
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HamiltonNHL
Resigning Marner == Running it back
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The reason to build from the net out is cost control.
Overpaying forwards when your D is suspect is exactly why we are 1 injury to Samsonov away from total playoff disaster
Overpaying forwards when your D is suspect is exactly why we are 1 injury to Samsonov away from total playoff disaster
While I believe rhe ask could be that high, I just don't see it ending up that high if he wants to stay in Toronto.
notdoneyet
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Matthews IF he resigns and thats a big IF
Will only sign maximum 5 years
Then his last contract will be 8 years
14m over 5 years and dubas will spin again how he came down from a eight year ask
Will only sign maximum 5 years
Then his last contract will be 8 years
14m over 5 years and dubas will spin again how he came down from a eight year ask
Buds17
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Not exactly what I'd like to pay (going above 13M would exceed my comfort zone). Apparently, his ask the last time around was 13.5M x 8. Keep in mind that was just with a Calder win to his name. It'd be nice to think that max term lowers the AAV, but I don't know how well that applies with a player of this importance/contract status?
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HamiltonNHL
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Marchand approved the 11.25 AAV because of the 8 year deal. He’s worth 12.25 but Marchand said money is needed to save for swayman’s next contract
Americanadian
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Based on all reports it was a negotiation to get to the contract they gave him so you can assume Pastrnak wanted more. I just hope our GM can do the same.
Racer88
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I'm not sure the leafs make him the highest paid in the game
But I do think the leafs can make McDavid the highest paid player in the world
57 Years No Cup
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Re: Matthews' contract: I'll just leave this here...
Would it surprise everyone to know that Matthews has only played a full 82 game schedule ONCE in his career.... his first year, 2016-17? The only other 'full season" he played has the first covid year, 2019-20, when they played 70 games.
2016-17: 82 games
2017-18: 62 (missed 20 games)
2018-19: 68 (missed 14 games)
2019-20: 70 (covid shortened, missed 0 games)
2020-21: 52 (covid shortened, full season was 56 games, missed 4 games)
2021-22: 73 (missed 9 games)
2022-23 to date: team has played 63 games (Matthews 56, missed 7 games)
He's injury prone and he is not worth paying full asking price. The best ability is avail-ability.
Would it surprise everyone to know that Matthews has only played a full 82 game schedule ONCE in his career.... his first year, 2016-17? The only other 'full season" he played has the first covid year, 2019-20, when they played 70 games.
2016-17: 82 games
2017-18: 62 (missed 20 games)
2018-19: 68 (missed 14 games)
2019-20: 70 (covid shortened, missed 0 games)
2020-21: 52 (covid shortened, full season was 56 games, missed 4 games)
2021-22: 73 (missed 9 games)
2022-23 to date: team has played 63 games (Matthews 56, missed 7 games)
He's injury prone and he is not worth paying full asking price. The best ability is avail-ability.
Buds17
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I'd most prefer 12.7M for Matthews (McDavid-12.5, MacKinnon-12.6...)
I'm assuming Matthews becomes the highest paid in the game because he's already at 11.6M. No doubt that McDavid reclaims the honour once he's eligible to renew his deal.
Throw More Waffles
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Makes no sense.
Matthews would be 27-32 if he signs a 5 year deal. His contract after that would be a significantly lower aav.
He would much rather sign 8 years in 2015 to maximize career earnings.
The Iceman
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Save some $$$ for McDavid.
The way a franchise like Toronto can use its clout is trade a top player for a mega bounty, I mean a MEGA bounty.
Then take that $$$ and sign McDavid.
Using Matthews as my example.
Trade him to Arizona for whatever you want, then take the $$$ savings and sign McDavid.
Instead of Matthews we would have McDavid and a bounty of picks and players.
Arizona would be happy, Toronto would be happy, Edmonton gets to keep Campbell and Hyman.
WIN-WIN-LOSE
The way a franchise like Toronto can use its clout is trade a top player for a mega bounty, I mean a MEGA bounty.
Then take that $$$ and sign McDavid.
Using Matthews as my example.
Trade him to Arizona for whatever you want, then take the $$$ savings and sign McDavid.
Instead of Matthews we would have McDavid and a bounty of picks and players.
Arizona would be happy, Toronto would be happy, Edmonton gets to keep Campbell and Hyman.
WIN-WIN-LOSE
Menzinger
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If McDavid becomes ufa, anyone and everyone on the team will get moved to fit him. They don't need to do that so far in advance until the team knows he is interested in signing. McDavid is still years away from potentially becoming a ufa anyways
Honestly, I don’t think Arizona have any interests in AM. They don’t even want an ELC contract coming back with trade.
Signing AM also means they actually need to sign other good players to complement AM. They can’t have a whole bunch of Ritchies and AHLers on the team. The 56% of the supposedly cap spending for them is fake cap like LTIR. They have no money to do anything.
Just don’t think they want to pay for that.
I can see LA or even the Rangers getting in the AM sweepstake if he is asking for a trade.
Signing AM also means they actually need to sign other good players to complement AM. They can’t have a whole bunch of Ritchies and AHLers on the team. The 56% of the supposedly cap spending for them is fake cap like LTIR. They have no money to do anything.
Just don’t think they want to pay for that.
I can see LA or even the Rangers getting in the AM sweepstake if he is asking for a trade.
ORRFForever
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After this year, I'm not sure Marner will be willing to accept that much less that Matthews. He's been the better, more reliable player.
The kids is not without an ego - and rightfully so.
Throw More Waffles
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Yeah, but on post elc contracts Pastrnak was a proven 34 goal/70 point player (38 goal/77 point pace) and Nylander was a (lol) proven 20 goal/60 point player. Nylander still demanded the Pastrnak contract (plus inflation) with FAR more in signing bonuses, FAR more in front-loading, and one less ufa year. This was rationalized by the Dubas crew by saying Nylander had better "zone entries". (You can't make this stuff up).
So yes, just like then, Pastrnak has proven to be a significantly better player than Nylander. But Nylander will likely once again insist on being paid an even player-friendlier version of the Pastrnak contract. And he would likely get it on the open market.... especially if he keeps this pace up next year again.
as Pure as Evil
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its why i had hope. its a pipe dream whatever happens, is going to happen one way or another no reason to worry about it
it was nothing more then tomfoolery its a impossibility a scenario that would never happen
guess i have to use terms like sarcasm instead of hope,
just like the day we drafted mathews and they had all those trade offers.
Matthews isn’t taking anything less than MacKinnon.
If we assume the cap will be $87.5 mill when his new contract kicks in then MacKinnon’s same deal at the same cap % would be $13.2 mill. Matthews agent would argue he’s better with his 2x Rocket and Hart.
Before he accomplished anything in the league, he wanted $13.5 mill AAV on an 8-year deal. I can easily see him ask for $14-15 mill AAV.
If he truly wants to win then he’ll take less and you give him the C.
If we assume the cap will be $87.5 mill when his new contract kicks in then MacKinnon’s same deal at the same cap % would be $13.2 mill. Matthews agent would argue he’s better with his 2x Rocket and Hart.
Before he accomplished anything in the league, he wanted $13.5 mill AAV on an 8-year deal. I can easily see him ask for $14-15 mill AAV.
If he truly wants to win then he’ll take less and you give him the C.
Dragao6
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People need to come down to earth
Even with back to back scoring and 1 mvp McDavid is still on a tier where he only lives in, WAY above the rest. Even if he’s only going crazy now with goals he’s always had 100+ points every year! On a way weaker team by the way. His goals are mostly his doing, him with marner would be ridicolous.
And now matthews numbers and play have dropped soo drastically that he’s not helping his case for the extension some say on here. He’s also been MIA his entire career in the playoffs so.
If he takes a fair contract make him the captain. If he wants to go crazy then trade him and let’s put everything into McDavid.
Because even McKinnon Pasternak etc comparables have a cup or playoff success
Man even Suzuki has better playoff numbers on a bottom of table team
Trade matthews, he’s not worth it, injury prone
Honestly I would trade both for a boat load if they dont want to sign for something decent... save the money and get good young players locked up to 8 year contracts.
