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Maybe this will throw some cold water on Mayfield thinking he can get more than $5M/yr on the open market.

 
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danteipp said:
So reports coming out that Harvard LHD Henry Thrun (a former fourth round pick) will NOT be signing with the Anaheim Ducks and will be exploiting the college loophole.

Ducks draft pick Henry Thrun opting for free agency

As soon as I heard about this, I had to check to see what team his family grew up rooting for and, lo and behold, per his Wiki page -

"The Thrun family have confessed to being fans of New York Rangers which started when father David would frequently attend games from a young age whilst growing up in New Rochelle, New York before moving to Lancaster, New York."

I am shocked. Shocked I tell you!

I guess we will have to wait and see what happens, but if any other team was exploiting this loophole to get free talent as much as the Rags (K Hayes, Vesey, Fox - even Tim Erixon to a different degree), it would have been closed years ago.

I guess we should at least be thankful that the Bruins were the team to draft McAvoy, because otherwise I have no doubt he would have also explored using the loophole to worm his way to the Rags too.

Has there ever been a team with so many advantages over the years, yet so few championships?
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He's not Adam Fox, but he is a legitimate prospect.

And Anaheim is LOADED with defensive prospects, so this move is somewhat understandable.

Hearing about the, um, connection to/interest in the Rangers is less than thrilling.

I dunno if loophole is the right term anymore, or ever really has been. It's simply a standard stipulation of the rights of a drafted player who goes on to play college hockey as brokered by the NHLPA. However, I thought that was for players who had completed their 4 years of college play? Thurn has only played 3, granted the Ivy League schools closed down entirely for the 20-21 season, in which he played for Dubuque of the USHL.

Must count as the 4th year.
 
Chapin Landvogt said:
He's not Adam Fox, but he is a legitimate prospect.

And Anaheim is LOADED with defensive prospects, so this move is somewhat understandable.

Hearing about the, um, connection to/interest in the Rangers is less than thrilling.

I dunno if loophole is the right term anymore, or ever really has been. It's simply a standard stipulation of the rights of a drafted player who goes on to play college hockey as brokered by the NHLPA. However, I thought that was for players who had completed their 4 years of college play? Thurn has only played 3, granted the Ivy League schools closed down entirely for the 20-21 season, in which he played for Dubuque of the USHL.

Must count as the 4th year.
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There is an easy fix to the problem too. Just put in language that as long as the original team that drafted the player offers the maximum allowed under the ELC, they retain said player's rights and he cannot become a free agent.

That will benefit both the player and the drafting team, if the player exceeds expectations in college, and stop this nonsense. No team has benefited more than the Rags and it is getting ridiculous.

They got Hayes for nothing via the loophole and then traded him to the Jets for a first-round pick in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft, Brendan Lemieux (eventually flipped for a fourth to LA) and a conditional fourth-round pick in the 2022 NHL Entry Draft. The first rounder was eventually traded back to the Jets (along with Pionk) for Trouba.

So the Rags essentially netted Trouba and Fox (for some middling assets going back in the Fox deal), without doing much of anything. No matter what you think of Trouba and that contract, it is two top-four defensemen for next to nothing. Absolutely assnine that the Rags can benefit from such BS.

I understand the original intent, which was presumably to allow a player options if a team doesn't extend a contract or tries to be cheap, but if you offer the max, then there is obviously genuine interest and a team shouldn't lose their rights.
 
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Not worried at all about the Panthers. Glad the Caps lost. That's who we need to leapfrog honestly. Pens have too many games at hand.
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You should be. The Islanders have no more games left against the Panthers.

Speaking of games in hand, the Islanders will have completed another 2 games before Buffalo takes the ice in San Jose tomorrow night.
 
danteipp said:
There is an easy fix to the problem too. Just put in language that as long as the original team that drafted the player offers the maximum allowed under the ELC, they retain said player's rights and he cannot become a free agent.

That will benefit both the player and the drafting team, if the player exceeds expectations in college, and stop this nonsense. No team has benefited more than the Rags and it is getting ridiculous.
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Totally agree.

Haven't thought about any counterarguments just yet, but my initial thought is that this makes mucho sense.
 
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Chapin Landvogt said:
He's not Adam Fox, but he is a legitimate prospect.

And Anaheim is LOADED with defensive prospects, so this move is somewhat understandable.

Hearing about the, um, connection to/interest in the Rangers is less than thrilling.

I dunno if loophole is the right term anymore, or ever really has been. It's simply a standard stipulation of the rights of a drafted player who goes on to play college hockey as brokered by the NHLPA. However, I thought that was for players who had completed their 4 years of college play? Thurn has only played 3, granted the Ivy League schools closed down entirely for the 20-21 season, in which he played for Dubuque of the USHL.

Must count as the 4th year.
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I’m not sure he’s more than just another Vesey equivalent though he’s a D and not an F. Generally if you’re North American born and you aren’t good enough at 18 to be drafted in the first few rounds you’re rarely going to become more than a slightly above average NHLer at best
 
Chapin Landvogt said:
Totally agree.

Haven't thought of any counterarguments, but my initial thought is that this makes mucho sense.
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It is such an easy and common-sense fix too. If say the Isles, Ducks, Senators, Jets, etc. were somehow benefitting, that loophole would have been closed years ago.

But it doesn't benefit the NHL to restrict the movement of good players to the Rags (follow the $$$), players aren't going to fight for a change to the movement and/or concede another point in negotiations of the CBA, so only the teams losing the player and their fans suffer.

If a change is ever made, it will only be after a GM like Yzerman loses a quality player and complains in the press. Just like how some draft lottery changes were installed after the Rags won the 2OA and 1OA selections back-to-back.

Unfortunately teams like the Flames (Fox) and Ducks (first Schultz and now Thrun) don't have enough juice to get it done. Maybe if/when the Leafs or Penguins lose an asset, we might see something happen.
 
The Blues fire sale continues





Why would the Wild be the Leafs partner in picking up some of O’Reilly’s cap hit?
 
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MJF said:
The Blues fire sale continues





Why would the Wild be the Leafs partner in picking up some of O’Reilly’s cap hit?
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Feels like a good trade from the Leafs side. Not a lot to give up, other than the first rounder. Although I am still not sure they have the pieces/right mix to go deep.

Guerin is not exactly conventional. And while still having to pay Parise and Suter until (I believe) 2029, he needs to find creative ways to bring in cheap talent.
 
MJF said:
Why would the Wild be the Leafs partner in picking up some of O’Reilly’s cap hit?
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Free draft pick to use up cap they had available for the rest of the year, if I was in their position and my owners were willing to pay it give me those free picks.
 
danteipp said:
Feels like a good trade from the Leafs side. Not a lot to give up, other than the first rounder. Although I am still not sure they have the pieces/right mix to go deep.

Guerin is not exactly conventional. And while still having to pay Parise and Suter until (I believe) 2029, he needs to find creative ways to bring in cheap talent.
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On the surface I am not sure. On name recognition yes I guess. But ROR's stats this season have fallen off the cliff. 19 pts in 40GP. -24. He will be an upgrade as a #3C rental. But trading a first, 2nd, and 3rd rd pick when you have not had a plethora of picks. We will see if this was a Dumbass or Genius move.
 
I saw some people shitting on that Toronto deal, I think it's pretty good for them. A hefty price but if O'Reilly can be a shutdown center and Acciari can bring physicality to their lineup they'll be better for it. That forward group just got a lot more versatile.
 
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xECK29x said:
Free draft pick to use up cap they had available for the rest of the year, if I was in their position and my owners were willing to pay it give me those free picks.
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True. I saw just how much cap space the Wild have available, so why not buy a draft pick!
 
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