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I can't believe people would side with CMac, after last season.

His ineptitude literally might have cost us a Cup.

This year's Cup was extremely winnable. Vegas was tough but not unbeatable. But CMac did nothing to even give us a fighting chance. That's unforgivable in my eyes.

The guy is in over his head, and these rash of moves it's clearly being strongly aided by Sakic, who actually built a winner.
 
Gumballhead said:
I don't want to beat this horse, but I believe last year's lack of activity was more complex than that. First, we don't know what the actual market looked like for us, and you can't just look at other trades that were made and say "we could have had him!" because we just don't know. We had lots of injuries and I really believe the team thought Landy might have been back for the playoffs. I also think that loyalty played a part. The team seems very loyal to their players, and I think they believed in what they had, which was a lot of recent champions, and thought they could somehow bring it home again with those guys. If that played a part, I get that.

Anyway, it sure as hell seemed like a ton of changes were coming after last year's agonizing season and now we know we're loaded for bear. Not Ethan, though.
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I just can't help but feeling like everyone was so quick to raise the pitchforks and call CMac a bust when there's clearly so much more going on that we weren't privy to. Obviously, it was extremely frustrating and we wanted a different outcome, but last year was just a year out of hell with unexpected things happening left and right. And now, under different circumstances, its now "Sakic must have taken back over the reigns". Just give him more than one season people before losing your shit.
 
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chet1926 said:
I can't believe people would side with CMac, after last season.

His ineptitude literally might have cost us a Cup.

This year's Cup was extremely winnable. Vegas was tough but not unbeatable. But CMac did nothing to even give us a fighting chance. That's unforgivable in my eyes.

The guy is in over his head, and these rash of moves it's clearly being strongly aided by Sakic, who actually built a winner.
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Oh wow, how have you kept silent about this for so long??
 
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chet1926 said:
I can't believe people would side with CMac, after last season.

His ineptitude literally might have cost us a Cup.

This year's Cup was extremely winnable. Vegas was tough but not unbeatable. But CMac did nothing to even give us a fighting chance. That's unforgivable in my eyes.

The guy is in over his head, and these rash of moves it's clearly being strongly aided by Sakic, who actually built a winner.
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I think doing nothing was unacceptable, but not unforgivable. He's on his way to making up for last year depending on what he does with the picks
 
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f*** the pipeline, the Avs need to contend now when we still have Makar and Rants for relatively cheap. Toews as well. Someone who may play in 3 years is no good for us.
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Remember when we all thought we would do something at the TDL? lol you just never know what they are planning. Flipping the picks is the logical move but I can also see them using those picks haha
 
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chet1926 said:
I can't believe people would side with CMac, after last season.

His ineptitude literally might have cost us a Cup.

This year's Cup was extremely winnable. Vegas was tough but not unbeatable. But CMac did nothing to even give us a fighting chance. That's unforgivable in my eyes.

The guy is in over his head, and these rash of moves it's clearly being strongly aided by Sakic, who actually built a winner.
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I can't believe you're ready to murder the guy if given the chance because he didn't go all in a crap year (whether we realistically had a chance or not) like you wanted. Time and time again these GMs have made some of you look foolish yet you still act like you know best! Just chill, man. Let shit unfold past one trade deadline maybe?
 
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I love Newhook, but it makes sense to trade him if they're not going to use him in the top six. He's not the type who'll become a 4th line defensive workhorse if put there. I assume we're gonna use these picks for a trade that helps us right away.
 
If nothing else (i.e. even if this doesn’t work for the Avs long term), I take it as good news that this management group isn’t too caught up on the guys they’ve drafted and learns from past errors. Clearly the Jost mess taught them something.

Hopefully the Jost and Newhook failures here also have a real impact on their drafting philosophy…that’s two pretty big misses on mid 1st rounders that have been shipped out of town within a few years.
 
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It's really good value for Newhook. But we need to not use these picks.
 
I like this. Newhook has been ok but I don't think he was going to become the player they had hoped for and doesn't fit well in the bottom 6. Feels like a Jost situation and I would rather move him now than risk his trade value hitting bottom. Hopefully these picks are moved in another deal.
 
SaltySkywalker said:
I just can't help but feeling like everyone was so quick to raise the pitchforks and call CMac a bust when there's clearly so much more going on that we weren't privy to. Obviously, it was extremely frustrating and we wanted a different outcome, but last year was just a year out of hell with unexpected things happening left and right. And now, under different circumstances, its now "Sakic must have taken back over the reigns". Just give him more than one season people before losing your shit.
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I don't think "loyalty" or ignorance of the severity of Landy's injury are the excuses you think they are. I mean is he trying to be like Bednar and pretend he hasn't talked to the trainers so it's better to just not do anything?

The fact is that we had 12M in funny money, a full set of draft picks, and all we got in return is a guy who put up a whopping 0 points in the playoffs.

Pretending someone like Domi (who had a decent playoff) was unavailable to us immediately after we traded with CHI for JMFJ? Or that the Flyers wouldn't have entertained a trade with Hayes? Or that Henrique wasn't available before his injury?
 
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I think doing nothing was unacceptable, but not unforgivable. He's on his way to making up for last year depending on what he does with the picks
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Ruining a cup chance because he was too timid, scared etc. whatever it might have been to make a deal to actually help us have a chance, is pretty unforgivable in my books.

He wins is us a Cup this year with "his" (I put this in quotes because I don't believe he is calling the shots right now) moves, we'll reassess.
 
chet1926 said:
I can't believe people would side with CMac, after last season.

His ineptitude literally might have cost us a Cup.

This year's Cup was extremely winnable. Vegas was tough but not unbeatable. But CMac did nothing to even give us a fighting chance. That's unforgivable in my eyes.

The guy is in over his head, and these rash of moves it's clearly being strongly aided by Sakic, who actually built a winner.
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Even dating back to when Joe stepped aside and CMac was promoted it was still said that he would be leaning on Joe...that's how a lot of NHL front offices work these days, it would seem.

But jeeeeeeesus man, you need to lighten up. A lot of us thought CMac fumbled the deadline this year, but guess what? Joe did so many times. We waited until the very end of MacK's contract to actually be aggressive at the deadline. So many years prior we could have patched certain holes but we got what? Retreads of Soderberg and Nemeth? The corpse of Devan Dubnyk?

I think you need to be able to criticize the job he did at the TDL this year, but also see that he's trying to get the team ready to go for next year.

It can't be that Joe is behind every good thing and CMac is behind every bad thing...that's just not how this works.
 
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Wow, that's quite a surprise! Nice return. These fall right in the Avs sweetspot in terms of trade chip! Bring in the Toews/Bura/Lehk/Manson of this world!

In term of cap space management, that means the Avs weren't willing to pay the $2Mish he was going to cost. That is still not a ton of money for the kind of production he was likely going to give as a 3rd liner. The Avs were short on assets AND cap space. They definitely got assets back, but did they really get cap space back with this move ?

Very anxious to see what moves they will do next. That definitely puts to bed Henchy's surefire belief that Newhook was the Avs 3rd line center for next year. So now we have an absolute garantee that they will acquire or sign a 3rd line center. JTC?? Re-acquire Jost ??
 
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I thought it was a bit premature to give up on him given his age but we all saw what happened with Jost and Joey Hishon. Better to flip him while he's still worth something. Hopefully these picks lead to a good trade
 
SaltySkywalker said:
I can't believe you're ready to murder the guy if given the chance because he didn't go all in a crap year (whether we realistically had a chance or not) like you wanted. Time and time again these GMs have made some of you look foolish yet you still act like you know best! Just chill, man. Let shit unfold past one trade deadline maybe?
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You can't tell me that had he made the move to find a 2C last year that we wouldn't have at minimum been in west finals. And at that point who knows. 29, 96 and 8 can win a series by themselves if they are hot. Maybe it doesn't happen, but at least you gave it a legit shot.

Instead he sat on the obvious 2C problem for 9+ months and then did nothing and it f***ed us.

Personally think that his shit show of a season after inheriting a Cup winner might have gotten him fired by other organizations. He is extremely lucky that the Avs are patient.
 
blundluntman29 said:
I thought it was a bit premature to give up on him given his age but we all saw what happened with Jost and Joey Hishon. Better to flip him while he's still worth something. Hopefully these picks lead to a good trade
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Honestly if we aren't in a contention window they probably hold onto him and see what he turns into. But they can't wait around and hope at this point
 
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chet1926 said:
I can't believe people would side with CMac, after last season.

His ineptitude literally might have cost us a Cup.

This year's Cup was extremely winnable. Vegas was tough but not unbeatable. But CMac did nothing to even give us a fighting chance. That's unforgivable in my eyes.

The guy is in over his head, and these rash of moves it's clearly being strongly aided by Sakic, who actually built a winner.
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Chet, our team was a bandaid, from Landy to Byram and Manson, even Makar, Lekhy, and Nuke, all these players were missing in action the last 2 weeks when I went to see them begin April in LA and Anaheim, that was a wasted year due to injuries, and I think the Avs made the right decision to wait for the next season.
 
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