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[The Moops]

Chet, our team was a bandaid, from Landy to Byram and Manson, even Makar, Lekhy, and Nuke, all these players were missing in action the last 2 weeks when I went to see them begin April in LA and Anaheim, that was a wasted year due to injuries, and I think the Avs made the right decision to wait for the next season.

So why go for it this year then? It's not like Byram or Manson found the magical healing fountain this summer? Landy is still out this year?

The fact is they flushed career years from Rants and MacK, and however you try to justify it during a contention window isn't a good excuse. It's every bit as bad as the year before where we bailed on the season when we decided that Nemeth and Soda were the deadline adds.

I'm willing to let CMac redeem himself, but let's not pretend the west wasn't wide open this year

 

[chet1926]

Also you can probably use the same argument about Sakic and the Soda+Nemeth deadline. But he made up for it.

Sakic was always going to have leeway because of his name and what he's done for the organization. Plus he'd been tinkering for years with some good, some bad.

CMac was given a Cup winner, that needed 1 thing to have a legit shot, and he ignored it for an entire season, costing us another shot at a potential deep run and maybe a 2nd Cup.

And I'm supposed to just let it go because he might have done something this offseason about it, even though the move screams Sakic.

CMac f***ed up bad last year, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than a couple decent trades to earn confidence in him.

 

[UncleRisto]

Ruining a cup chance because he was too timid, scared etc. whatever it might have been to make a deal to actually help us have a chance, is pretty unforgivable in my books.

He wins is us a Cup this year with "his" (I put this in quotes because I don't believe he is calling the shots right now) moves, we'll reassess.

You really can't see what you're doing?

 

[The Moops]

Sakic was always going to have leeway because of his name and what he's done for the organization. Plus he'd been tinkering for years with some good, some bad.

CMac was given a Cup winner, that needed 1 thing to have a legit shot, and he ignored it for an entire season, costing us another shot at a potential deep run and maybe a 2nd Cup.

And I'm supposed to just let it go because he might have done something this offseason about it, even though the move screams Sakic.

CMac f***ed up bad last year, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than a couple decent trades to earn confidence in him.

I agree that CMac f***ed up. But Sakic held on to Jost way too long, thought Nemeth + Soda was a good idea, and never fixed the drafting. Give CMac a chance to fix his mistakes, same as Sakic

 

[chet1926]

Chet, our team was a bandaid, from Landy to Byram and Manson, even Makar, Lekhy, and Nuke, all these players were missing in action the last 2 weeks when I went to see them begin April in LA and Anaheim, that was a wasted year due to injuries, and I think the Avs made the right decision to wait for the next season.

With how the playoffs played out, the Avs very well could have won a Cup with a legit 2C, and very minimum should have been in the West finals, not losing to expansion Seattle.

 

[LOFIN]

With how the playoffs played out, the Avs very well could have won a Cup with a legit 2C, and very minimum should have been in the West finals, not losing to expansion Seattle.

Lol, without Landy and Nuke? Not to mention our injuries in the bottom-6. I don't give a f*** if we had Draisaitl as our #2C, we were not winning with that depth.

CMac didn't do good, but in hindsight standing pat was the right thing to do.

 

[chet1926]

I agree that CMac f***ed up. But Sakic held on to Jost way too long, thought Nemeth + Soda was a good idea, and never fixed the drafting. Give CMac a chance to fix his mistakes, same as Sakic

All I can say is leash is very short and the seat should be extremely hot. He better have some more big plays up his sleeve. Because of we aren't fully geared up for a deep run this year, he should be fired.

Lol, without Landy and Nuke? I don't give a f*** if we had Draisaitl as our #2C, we were not winning.

Florida made the Cup finals with a very middling roster, that lucked into the playoffs because Pittsburgh choked to Chicago at home.

Not saying we would have won, but we sure hell wouldn't have been embarrassed by an expansion team round 1.

 

[The Moops]

Lol, without Landy and Nuke? Not to mention our injuries in the bottom-6. I don't give a f*** if we had Draisaitl as our #2C, we were not winning with that depth.

CMac didn't do good, but in hindsight standing pat was the right thing to do.

CMac didn't know Nuke was going to disappear, so you can't use that to justify why he didn't do anything. And maybe he comes back in time for the conference finals? And even if we lost in the 2nd or 3rd round would that have not been preferable to doing nothing because we MIGHT lose? Of course we might lose every season, it's no excuse to pack it in and do nothing.

You think MacK, Makar, or Bednar were happy they didn't make a move? Did Vegas not deal with injuries or something? It's not an excuse for doing nothing. The Stars were very beatable, and you never know, maybe Hill gets run by JTC and we sweep our way to another cup. That's why you have to go for it in your window

 

[LOFIN]

CMac didn't know Nuke was going to disappear, so you can't use that to justify why he didn't do anything. And maybe he comes back in time for the conference finals? And even if we lost in the 2nd or 3rd round would that have not been preferable to doing nothing because we MIGHT lose? Of course we might lose every season, it's no excuse to pack it in and do nothing.

You think MacK, Makar, or Bednar were happy they didn't make a move? Did Vegas not deal with injuries or something? It's not an excuse for doing nothing. The Stars were very beatable, and you never know, maybe Hill gets run by JTC and we sweep our way to another cup. That's why you have to go for it in your window

You misunderstood, I said it was very poor at the time and unacceptable. But in hindsight, we weren't winning anyway, so good that we didn't blow real assets for rentals.

 

[The Moops]

You misunderstood, I said it was very poor at the time and unacceptable. But in hindsight, we weren't winning anyway, so good that we didn't blow real assets for rentals.

You just never know man, we probably don't win, but it's better to try than not

And honestly I'd had rather they did absolutely nothing than trade a 2nd for Eller. That wasn't even a half-measure. Should have truly sat on his hands than do that

 

[Forceberg]

Where are the next moves. They had time enough.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yegor is a complimentary winger who is not very good defensively. He also needs a new contract. I think I’ll pass.

Wilson would add grit and size to the team.

Tbf all we need in the top 6 is a complimentary winger.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

I don't think "loyalty" or ignorance of the severity of Landy's injury are the excuses you think they are. I mean is he trying to be like Bednar and pretend he hasn't talked to the trainers so it's better to just not do anything?

The fact is that we had 12M in funny money, a full set of draft picks, and all we got in return is a guy who put up a whopping 0 points in the playoffs.

Pretending someone like Domi (who had a decent playoff) was unavailable to us immediately after we traded with CHI for JMFJ? Or that the Flyers wouldn't have entertained a trade with Hayes? Or that Henrique wasn't available before his injury?

I wasn't the one who mentioned loyalty or Landy's injury as direct reasons not to go for it. I agree, seeing them sit on their hands was a bit frustrating and obviously I would have liked to have fielded a more competitive team in the post season. But I'm also not gonna lose my shit like so many on here have over all of these CMac "indiscretions" or refuse to give him a chance and see how things play out. If he blows it again this year, by all means, fire the guy.

I just mean there is probably plenty we aren't aware of and to the powers that be, it clearly didn't make sense for them to waste what little resources we had to go for it last year. I don't know about some of you, but I never felt "IT" last year. Even from the start of the year. What if we had traded one of our top dmen, let go of our remaining first for a couple rentals, and still got spanked by Vegas. Now what? We lose our rentals for nothing, Gabe is still gone, we have nothing to barter with, etc. etc. etc. and now the we can't even go for it this year...

 

[henchman21]

This is legit highway robbery.

 

[Gumballhead]

All I can say is leash is very short and the seat should be extremely hot.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

Also you can probably use the same argument about Sakic and the Soda+Nemeth deadline. But he made up for it.

My point exactly! Everyone wanted Sakic's head for a couple years and look what he did. And now CMac doesn't blow his wad last year and we're literally in the same position.

 

[hoserthehorrible]

You can't tell me that had he made the move to find a 2C last year that we wouldn't have at minimum been in west finals. And at that point who knows. 29, 96 and 8 can win a series by themselves if they are hot. Maybe it doesn't happen, but at least you gave it a legit shot.

Instead he sat on the obvious 2C problem for 9+ months and then did nothing and it f***ed us.

Personally think that his shit show of a season after inheriting a Cup winner might have gotten him fired by other organizations. He is extremely lucky that the Avs are patient.

Where do you think Joe was at the deadline last year? Do you think he was vacationing in the Bahamas and had no input or idea what CMac was doing? C'mon man, just because CMac was promoted doesn't mean Joe completely left the building. He was at least involved in a "what do you think" capacity and provided his input if nothing else.

 

[The Moops]

I wasn't the one who mentioned loyalty or Landy's injury as direct reasons not to go for it. I agree, seeing them sit on their hands was a bit frustrating and obviously I would have liked to have fielded a more competitive team in the post season. But I'm also not gonna lose my shit like so many on here have over all of these CMac "indiscretions" or refuse to give him a chance and see how things play out. If he blows it again this year, by all means, fire the guy.

I just mean there is probably plenty we aren't aware of and to the powers that be, it clearly didn't make sense for them to waste what little resources we had to go for it last year. I don't know about some of you, but I never felt "IT" last year. Even from the start of the year. What if we had traded one of our be dmen, let go of our remaining first for a couple rentals, and still got spanked by Vegas. Now what? We lose our rentals for nothing, Gabe is still gone, we have nothing to barter with, etc. etc. etc. and now the we can't even go for it this year...

You're right about the first part, but why waste a 2nd on Eller if you just decide to flush the season because of whatever was going on behind the scenes? Surely there was a lesser move that could have made it appear like you were "doing something" while actually not going for it?

 

[LOFIN]

Where do you think Joe was at the deadline last year? Do you think he was vacationing in the Bahamas and had no input or idea what CMac was doing? C'mon man, just because CMac was promoted doesn't mean Joe completely left the building. He was at least involved in a "what do you think" capacity and provided his input if nothing else.

Also, not like CMac wasn't involved as the AGM.

 

[AvsFan29]

Seems like a huge overpayment! Flip those picks!

 

[forsbergavs32]

We’re gonna use a trade thread to bicker about last season?

 

[jabubenice]

avs done good the last two trades...keep it rolling!!

 

[Sea Eagles]

I......I don't even know what to say. Heart broken Best of luck in Montreal Alex. Thank you for everything you have done for our beautiful club. You have been so wonderful to watch and play. You always gave 110%, and will always be remembered for your Stanley Cup run.

I don't get it.

 

[MarchessaultCantRead]

Tbf all we need in the top 6 is a complimentary winger.

Yeah, but he only played in like 3 games for the Devils in the playoffs this year and was mostly a healthy scratch.

He might be better here, but I’d rather go after someone more proven and defensively sound with those picks.

 

[RockLobster]

We’re gonna use a trade thread to bicker about last season?

Yes....