Confirmed with Link: Newhook traded to Montreal for 31st & 37th overall & Gianni Fairbrother

[Northern Avs Fan]

Only 8.5M left. Could be closer to 4 after Byram resigns. Avs have to move cap out. With Newhook gone bringing back JTC has to be a priority.

This isn’t taking into account Landy’s cap space.

The Avs have $15.5M in cap space.

 

[Alex Jones]

This isn’t taking into account Landy’s cap space.

The Avs have $15.5M in cap space.

Oh nm then I'm dumb

 

[chet1926]

We get it! Stating your gut feeling and opinion over and over doesn't change anything.

Enjoy the good and entertaining things happening, and all the guessing we get to do with one less player to negotiate with and more draft assets to lure teams with decent scouting departments into favorable trades for the now.

Hopefully the good continues. I just want to win, something that CMac didn't give us a fair shot at last year.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Oh nm then I'm dumb

Nah, I’ve don’t the same thing when looking at Capfriendly.

 

[Gumballhead]

Hopefully the good continues. I just want to win, something that CMac didn't give us a fair shot at last year.

Do you know any other tunes?

PLEASE TRY TO ENJOY THIS FUN TIME TO BE ON THE BOARDS.

 

[The Moops]

Hopefully the good continues. I just want to win, something that CMac didn't give us a fair shot at last year.

CMac robbed us of a Domi/JVR/Hayes/Henrique level player. Nuke robbed us of a Nuke level player. Nuke has more to answer for tbh

 

[RockLobster]

Then how come we are seeing a more similar approach this offseason to what Sakic did his last few years. As compared to CMac's sit back and ignore every problem approach of last offseason?

You know MacFarland was part of all the decisions Sakic made when he was GM, right? This goes beyond just Pierre Dorion saying that he and Fenton got the Duchene trade back on track. This goes to many articles talking about Roy's departure stemming from Joe leaning more on MacFarland than what Roy wanted, etc.

And what similar approaches? Seriously dude, Joe had some great trades that he pulled off while being ultimately in charge, but this isn't some crackpot conspiracy here.

I think MacFarland and Co. (which would include Sakic since it was always stated that he would still maintain a say in the player personnel decisions even with his promotion) made a BAD evaluation as to the strength of their roster (or perhaps the ability to withstand the depth that was leaving) this past season. They made an egregious error. They believed that Newhook was going to take the 2C role and thus didn't need to fill it (they were wrong), and they continued to ignore it all season. They ignored it at the deadline when they didn't push their chips in.

I think just about all of us--save for Sea Eagles--agrees with that belief. And right now I'll go as far as to say that CMac's bacon is getting saved by some of these solutions being available for CHEAP right now. Like it's easy for him or people who would be ardent defenders of his to look back and say "See! We didn't need to!" because they couldn't have known how this market would shake out (nor do we--the market is still taking shape imo). RyJo is a gamble that might pay off or might blow up in their faces, but at least they aren't going in to the season trotting out JTC or Newhook again.

But the bottom line is this--it's entirely possible for them to have made a terrible error in judgment this past season and begin rectifying it. The mere notion that they are does not in any way/shape/form mean that Joe is now secretly pulling the strings...he never f***ing left dude.

 

[Nihiliste]

This is highway robbery unless we actually use these picks, in which case they’ll probably be even worse than Newhook

 

[henchman21]

I think the cap played into this here. Newhook's comparables are in the mid 2s and for what Newhook brought to the table, he wasn't worth that here. There is also the element of there is value going to the org that valued him the highest and they were willing to pay a pretty high price.

This is honestly a near perfect deal IMO. Two fantastic moves so far this summer and I applaud the front office not sitting on their hands.

 

[The Moops]

You know MacFarland was part of all the decisions Sakic made when he was GM, right? This goes beyond just Pierre Dorion saying that he and Fenton got the Duchene trade back on track. This goes to many articles talking about Roy's departure stemming from Joe leaning more on MacFarland than what Roy wanted, etc.

And what similar approaches? Seriously dude, Joe had some great trades that he pulled off while being ultimately in charge, but this isn't some crackpot conspiracy here.

I think MacFarland and Co. (which would include Sakic since it was always stated that he would still maintain a say in the player personnel decisions even with his promotion) made a BAD evaluation as to the strength of their roster (or perhaps the ability to withstand the depth that was leaving) this past season. They made an egregious error. They believed that Newhook was going to take the 2C role and thus didn't need to fill it (they were wrong), and they continued to ignore it all season. They ignored it at the deadline when they didn't push their chips in.

I think just about all of us--save for Sea Eagles--agrees with that belief. And right now I'll go as far as to say that CMac's bacon is getting saved by some of these solutions being available for CHEAP right now. Like it's easy for him or people who would be ardent defenders of his to look back and say "See! We didn't need to!" because they couldn't have known how this market would shake out (nor do we--the market is still taking shape imo). RyJo is a gamble that might pay off or might blow up in their faces, but at least they aren't going in to the season trotting out JTC or Newhook again.

But the bottom line is this--it's entirely possible for them to have made a terrible error in judgment this past season and begin rectifying it. The mere notion that they are does not in any way/shape/form mean that Joe is now secretly pulling the strings...he never f***ing left dude.

All day you have been saying the exact thing as me, just better. Dammit man

 

[Chiarelli]

or Newhook was underrated on this board quite a bit

Dude doesn’t have a role on this team he hasn’t proven he can play top 6 and he doesn’t have the skillset to be bottom 6

 

[Gumballhead]

I think the cap played into this here. Newhook's comparables are in the mid 2s and for what Newhook brought to the table, he wasn't worth that here. There is also the element of there is value going to the org that valued him the highest and they were willing to pay a pretty high price.

This is honestly a near perfect deal IMO. Two fantastic moves so far this summer and I applaud the front office not sitting on their hands.

It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the deal -- we no longer have to worry about how much to pay a player we don't really know the value of yet going forward, and with little time and too much on the line to try to figure it out. He probably would have been decently affordable and filled a role, but the options now are better.

 

[UncleRisto]

Then how come we are seeing a more similar approach this offseason to what Sakic did his last few years. As compared to CMac's sit back and ignore every problem approach of last offseason?

Because you like attributing different things to different individuals.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Fair enough.

I mean, it would have been pretty cool to see him play on a line with consistent line mates for a season. Just to see what he could really do when he built some chemistry and synergy with 2 fellas.

No, Fairbrother

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah, but he only played in like 3 games for the Devils in the playoffs this year and was mostly a healthy scratch.

He might be better here, but I’d rather go after someone more proven and defensively sound with those picks.

Meier kinda ruined his year. Took his role and kinda messed with his season. Also we don’t need more defensively sound wingers in the top 6. We have Lehky and Nuke to carry that load. We need another guy to put the puck in the net and Govic is more than capable of that. Plus he can play all three forward positions which is very very handy.

 

[henchman21]

I hope Newhook really does well in Montreal. He seems like a really good kid and he's going to a place with lowered expectations. Should ease his transition... plus he already has a Cup!

 

[chet1926]

You know MacFarland was part of all the decisions Sakic made when he was GM, right? This goes beyond just Pierre Dorion saying that he and Fenton got the Duchene trade back on track. This goes to many articles talking about Roy's departure stemming from Joe leaning more on MacFarland than what Roy wanted, etc.

And what similar approaches? Seriously dude, Joe had some great trades that he pulled off while being ultimately in charge, but this isn't some crackpot conspiracy here.

I think MacFarland and Co. (which would include Sakic since it was always stated that he would still maintain a say in the player personnel decisions even with his promotion) made a BAD evaluation as to the strength of their roster (or perhaps the ability to withstand the depth that was leaving) this past season. They made an egregious error. They believed that Newhook was going to take the 2C role and thus didn't need to fill it (they were wrong), and they continued to ignore it all season. They ignored it at the deadline when they didn't push their chips in.

I think just about all of us--save for Sea Eagles--agrees with that belief. And right now I'll go as far as to say that CMac's bacon is getting saved by some of these solutions being available for CHEAP right now. Like it's easy for him or people who would be ardent defenders of his to look back and say "See! We didn't need to!" because they couldn't have known how this market would shake out (nor do we--the market is still taking shape imo). RyJo is a gamble that might pay off or might blow up in their faces, but at least they aren't going in to the season trotting out JTC or Newhook again.

But the bottom line is this--it's entirely possible for them to have made a terrible error in judgment this past season and begin rectifying it. The mere notion that they are does not in any way/shape/form mean that Joe is now secretly pulling the strings...he never f***ing left dude.

All fair points.

Still not willing to just forgive CMac for the shit show last year, he was the GM. That title means you get the good and the bad. Fair or not. Just like Sakic deserved good and bad when he was the GM.

It's going to take a lot for CMac to rectify last season and earn trust as the GM.

 

[quesosauce]

while i liked newhook in theory, he was definitely more along the tyson jost development curve than the one i expected/hoped he would take when he was drafted. Good to move along early and get pretty good value for him. I'd like to see the picks used in trade to aquire an actual 2C to allow us to play RyJo on the 3C

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Dude doesn’t have a role on this team he hasn’t proven he can play top 6 and he doesn’t have the skillset to be bottom 6

Agree here. The only way he was going to work well here was as a top-6 wing imo.

Maybe he gets to that level in Montreal, but I don’t think Colorado wanted to take the risk. It’s a reasonable gamble for Montreal, but there’s too much at stake for Colorado right now.

If Newhook kept playing similarly to how he did this year, it’s not what Bednar wants in his bottom-six. He doesn’t engage physically and doesn’t pressure pucks to the standard this team wants.

 

[UncleRisto]

This is highway robbery unless we actually use these picks, in which case they’ll probably be even worse than Newhook

All of them right in that Bleackley-Meloche-Greer wheelhouse.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Can’t wait to see what hot takes get fabricated to say this is a shit trade

It's all about punctuation at capitalization... Can’t wait to see. What hot takes get fabricated, to say, this is a shit trade

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

I was on a teams meeting for work until about 2 minutes ago.

In an elevator?

 

[Hasbro]

I honestly believe Joe was trying to let CMac run the team with little interference. Let him make his choices since he is the GM, and be there as a resource if CMac needed help.

Now I'm getting the feeling that Sakic is back to being more involved, since last year was a not a great showing by CMac.

 

[Avs_19]

or Newhook was underrated on this board quite a bit

He might be underrated now that he’s on your Habs?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

In an elevator?

On the shitter, mid push...