Confirmed with Link: Newhook traded to Montreal for 31st & 37th overall & Gianni Fairbrother

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Value looks good now considering his value is at its lowest. Newy is still so young that its not hard to envision him blossoming with that young core. Hope he finds some success regardless.

Now to speculate who they're packaging these picks for...
 

MarchessaultCantRead

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Meier kinda ruined his year. Took his role and kinda messed with his season. Also we don’t need more defensively sound wingers in the top 6. We have Lehky and Nuke to carry that load. We need another guy to put the puck in the net and Govic is more than capable of that. Plus he can play all three forward positions which is very very handy.
I mean I wouldn’t hate it, but the contract would have to be right. I still think we should be setting our sights higher here.

Lehk and Nuke are defensive beasts, so I’m not saying we need someone like that, but someone who’s at least average/above average. Yegor is below average defensively and is not a good PKer. Besides one good season next to Jack Hughes, he hasn’t really shown much. I think there’s a reason why the Devils scratched him in the playoffs and are looking to move on.

Also, Lehk and Nuke both missed time with injuries last year, so it’s always good to have more than just a few defensively sound forwards come playoff time.
 

hoserthehorrible

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I honestly believe Joe was trying to let CMac run the team with little interference. Let him make his choices since he is the GM, and be there as a resource if CMac needed help.

Now I'm getting the feeling that Sakic is back to being more involved, since last year was a not a great showing by CMac.
Anything is possible I suppose but I believe the front office works together and everyone has input into trade deadline decisions as well as off season moves.

I don't think it's rational to think that bad moves last year are solely on CMac and good moves this year are solely on Sakic. That's just not a rational thing to believe.
 
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A timeline of events:

- We lose Kadri

- CMac says we're gonna handle the 2C internally by giving some guys a chance to step up

- JTC ends up winning the job because he gets Rants on his line for a month while MacK is injured, giving him a career year. Be sure to thank Mikko when you get that 5M from the Hawks.

- We trade for Eller at the deadline

- Newhook can't even come close to winning a puck battle, let alone beating out JTC or Eller for a top six spot.

- Newhook is wisely traded before his value enters Jost territory.
 

Bender

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You know MacFarland was part of all the decisions Sakic made when he was GM, right? This goes beyond just Pierre Dorion saying that he and Fenton got the Duchene trade back on track. This goes to many articles talking about Roy's departure stemming from Joe leaning more on MacFarland than what Roy wanted, etc.

And what similar approaches? Seriously dude, Joe had some great trades that he pulled off while being ultimately in charge, but this isn't some crackpot conspiracy here.

I think MacFarland and Co. (which would include Sakic since it was always stated that he would still maintain a say in the player personnel decisions even with his promotion) made a BAD evaluation as to the strength of their roster (or perhaps the ability to withstand the depth that was leaving) this past season. They made an egregious error. They believed that Newhook was going to take the 2C role and thus didn't need to fill it (they were wrong), and they continued to ignore it all season. They ignored it at the deadline when they didn't push their chips in.

I think just about all of us--save for Sea Eagles--agrees with that belief. And right now I'll go as far as to say that CMac's bacon is getting saved by some of these solutions being available for CHEAP right now. Like it's easy for him or people who would be ardent defenders of his to look back and say "See! We didn't need to!" because they couldn't have known how this market would shake out (nor do we--the market is still taking shape imo). RyJo is a gamble that might pay off or might blow up in their faces, but at least they aren't going in to the season trotting out JTC or Newhook again.

But the bottom line is this--it's entirely possible for them to have made a terrible error in judgment this past season and begin rectifying it. The mere notion that they are does not in any way/shape/form mean that Joe is now secretly pulling the strings...he never f***ing left dude.
I agree with the jist of your message, good post!

Personally, I think it's just as MORONIC to think that only Sakic has been involved in building this team into a contender and eventual cup winner as it is to suggest that only McFarland is to blame for the so-called failure of last season. They make decisions together. Besides, when you think about the timeline when MacFarland was brought in, just prior to that we had Roy making personnel decisions and we were signing Joe Colbournes, trading for has-beens like Brad Stuart and Maxime Talbot. Things changed immediately after Roy left... to me, not a coincidence. Sakic is no idiot - he listened to the guy that was bringing positive results with what he was saying.

For the bolded, personally I believe this is incorrect. I don't think they made 'a bad evaluation' of the strength of the roster because after all, we did end up winning the Division while just about leading the league in man-games lost.

This is what I believe happened : they decided last summer that they would give Compher, Rodrigues and Newhook a shot as the #2C. Maybe Newhook would be ready, maybe not and if not then you can address the situation at the TDL. After all, it worked great the year prior with the acquisitions of Lehkonen & Manson. Problem is - teams at the TDL got extremely greedy with the Cup Champs and Avs management decided to pass rather than get gouged like the former Cup Champs Lightning with the ludicrous price of Tanner Jeannot. So rather than get bent over a barrel, Avs management passed and decided they weren't going to get screwed over - win or lose. We lost but hey, I don't know many teams that win every single year... it's pretty hard to repeat under normal circumstances.
 

Avsboy

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A really nice return for Newhook, but he still has loads of potential no one is seeing
 
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Avs_19

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How the f*** did they pull this off?

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Bender

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Really happy for Newhook that he gets a new start with another team. I really liked the kid, so I wish him well... always felt like he didn't get a fair shake from a lot of Avs fans.

As far as the return, we got, obviously I'm thrilled. I knew he had more value than most Avs fans thought he had on here but I'm very surprised at getting a late 1st and high 2nd in this draft.

I stopped doing the 'prospects thing' last year where I completely took the year off (especially since we only had a 6th and a 7th round pick) but over the past few weeks, I've been watching games and while it's not to the same level as I was doing it before, I can safely say that this is a very good draft with a lot of really good players. Can't wait until tomorrow to see how it shakes out.
 

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Didn't expect Newhook to be traded for futures, but given the return they got, it's hard to think they could have done much better given Newy's value at the moment.

Sure feels like this sets them up to move one of their 1sts. Which would basically be an extension of this deal. Awfully interesting that it's Florida's pick, who may be looking to make a deal.

Would be odd to keep two late firsts, when they're trying to win the Cup, and have spots to address on the roster.
 

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The whole "blame everything bad on cmac and anything good is credit to Sakic for taking over" reminds me of when Joe made some really bad moves in his first couple years and everyone in hindsight said those were Roy's fault and not Sakic.

It's a weird thing to get obsessive about. Some posters saw this trade and said "oh see, I'm right, Sakic took back over for cmac, this is proof. I'm going to post my illogical theory now". It's just weird, man. Weird. Not everything is a conspiracy theory or an episode of succession.
 

Bender

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The whole "blame everything bad on cmac and anything good is credit to Sakic for taking over" reminds me of when Joe made some really bad moves in his first couple years and everyone in hindsight said those were Roy's fault and not Sakic.

It's a weird thing to get obsessive about. Some posters saw this trade and said "oh see, I'm right, Sakic took back over for cmac, this is proof. I'm going to post my illogical theory now". It's just weird, man. Weird. Not everything is a conspiracy theory or an episode of succession.
Yeah, Sakic also signed off on those moves so he's just as responsible as Roy, in my view.

I prefer to think of them as Avs management, it's just easier.
 

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Not sure why Montreal pays so much here. He doesn't beat out Suzuki or Dach on the depth chart. He probably makes a solid winger if that's where he eventually gets moved to.
 

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