Confirmed with Link: New York Rangers Sign Adam Fox to Entry Level Deal

[Fireonk]

I am sure you don't know what you are talking about.

You "quoted" something that no one ever said. You took an argument people were making and embellished it to something people obviously didn't mean. Instead of coming back with an argument with a different viewpoint, reasons why the points people were making weren't legit, or some sort of evidence to back things up, you chose to turn it into a straw man argument.

Not sure why you are engaging in debates on an online forum if you have no interest in having an honest one.

 

[romba]

Those pionk jerseys at the MSG team store really scare me. They tell me management considers him a marketable piece of the future. You see zibanejad chytil skjei Lundqvist and pionk jerseys. That’s it. There are racks of pionk jerseys.

Not one DeAngelo Jersey.

Why management loves this kid so much I have no idea. He’s an undrafted nobody. He’s small he’s bad he can’t make a pass. I don’t get it.

Orrrrrrr.....they're tryin' to sell 'em before the trade away

 

[Thirty One]

Hartford is a cesspool? You don't even know who the new coaches will be. Nothing wrong with 30 NHL games in his first pro year and 50 AHL games. He never even played a long season yet and on smaller rinks.


You represent another HF stereotype the one that wants to rush all good prospects into NHL roster.

Keeping Fox in Hartford would be fine. Doing it to avoid giving up a 2nd instead of a 3rd, rather than because it's what would be most beneficial for Fox's development, would be mindless.

 

[romba]

We never get a good coach

@WeNeverGetaGoodCoach should change his user name to weNEVERgetagoodcoach. Subtle, but changes everything. Turns a regular statement into a whiny statement. Always a win in my book.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I can do this all day

I believe it.

 

[True Blue]

Smith can stay if there is no trade for him available. He is versatile at least, can probably even play goalie and center if needed. Shatt needs to be traded ASAP. Staal if he refuses to waive his clause, then buy him out.

You understand that there are pretty serious dead space cap complications here?

# WeNeverGetaGoodCashflowToSignUFA

 

[Kovalev27]

Orrrrrrr.....they're tryin' to sell 'em before the trade away

They certainly aren’t on sale.

 

[bobbop]

Why is Ellis the best comparison?

Smart players, similar stature, very elusive, very effective. C’mon...this is not a science. I just hear Yandle and I cringe. Yandle makes more turnovers than a bakery. Fox is pretty smart with the puck,

 

[cwede]

Keeping Fox in Hartford would be fine. Doing it to avoid giving up a 2nd instead of a 3rd, rather than because it's what would be most beneficial for Fox's development, would be mindless.

will Fox be Del Zotto (on NHL roster immediatley first year pro), McDonagh (couple months in AHL, then up for good) or Skjei (basically all of first year pro in AHL)

i suspect he starts in the AHL, given the vets and 2d year guys ahead of him on D

and if Hartford's new coach/roster makes for a competitive team, on which he is a core guy, i wouldn't rush him up to NHL next season, let him play big minutes in all situations in an 80 game season.
(be aware that Ivy League teams play even shorter schedules than most D1 hockey teams, they start their season a bit later - Fox played 33 games, and Harvard made the NCAAs - champ Duluth played 42)

Like 3 guys mentioned above, if he is what we expect, once he comes up to play regularly, he should stick (not saying he wouldn't get a 'cup of coffee' call-up, at some point, before making the varsity for good)

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Hartford is a cesspool? You don't even know who the new coaches will be. Nothing wrong with 30 NHL games in his first pro year and 50 AHL games. He never even played a long season yet and on smaller rinks.


You represent another HF stereotype the one that wants to rush all good prospects into NHL roster.

Why are you putting words in my mouth. If he's not ready, he shouldn't be in the NHL. But determining his development based on moving from a 3rd to a 2nd is asinine.

I have no interest in rushing prospects. I also have no interest in stunting their growth because of something as minor as moving up or down a pick in a future draft.

This is just so idiotic it's beyond comprehension. I can't believe I'm even having to debate this.

 

[romba]

They certainly aren’t on sale.

lol that would be too obvious, then any joe shmoe (me) could see who's on the trade block based on discounted jersey prices. Having alllllll the stock out front and center would be my tact. Maybe add a rolling highlights video of Pionk right above the jerseys too so young easily influenced non-die hards will buy them too

 

[romba]

Keeping Fox in Hartford would be fine. Doing it to avoid giving up a 2nd instead of a 3rd, rather than because it's what would be most beneficial for Fox's development, would be mindless.

Agreed, but would an extra 5 or 10 games in Hartford in order to avoid the change in draft pick status be worth it? For example, after an ok training camp the team decides its better for his development to start in Hartford for a bit to get his pro game in order. He starts out slow and begins to pick it up later in the season. With about 40 or so games to go the Rangers suffer an injury on D. He seems ready for a shot at the big dance. We can hodgepodge it for a week or two before calling up Fox and keep the draft pick as a 3rd, or call him up ASAP and make it a second. Would the 5-10 games really harm him at that point? Would he resent being held off the big club for 2 weeks to keep the pick a 3rd? Would the Rangers players look at it as in sacrificing wins this year for a better draft pick, which goes against the philosophy we've (very successfully) run to this point? My gut is that gun to the head, the team would definitely rather let him stew the extra 2 weeks. However, the message sent to the rest of the team would be too negative (this year doesn't matter) and they'd end up calling him up ASAP if it would help the big club.

 

[broadwayblue]

Agreed, but would an extra 5 or 10 games in Hartford in order to avoid the change in draft pick status be worth it? For example, after an ok training camp the team decides its better for his development to start in Hartford for a bit to get his pro game in order. He starts out slow and begins to pick it up later in the season. With about 40 or so games to go the Rangers suffer an injury on D. He seems ready for a shot at the big dance. We can hodgepodge it for a week or two before calling up Fox and keep the draft pick as a 3rd, or call him up ASAP and make it a second. Would the 5-10 games really harm him at that point? Would he resent being held off the big club for 2 weeks to keep the pick a 3rd? Would the Rangers players look at it as in sacrificing wins this year for a better draft pick, which goes against the philosophy we've (very successfully) run to this point? My gut is that gun to the head, the team would definitely rather let him stew the extra 2 weeks. However, the message sent to the rest of the team would be too negative (this year doesn't matter) and they'd end up calling him up ASAP if it would help the big club.

You are proposing a hypothetical scenario...in which case yes, if he was only a few games away from triggering the conditional pick perhaps it might make sense. But what if the team is playing well and could use him? Do you hurt the team to prevent a 3rd from becoming a 2nd? The hypotheticals can go on and on. Essentially if he is the next guy up then I expect him to be with the Rangers.

 

[nyr2k2]

I wonder if there is a mechanism wherein Carolina could lodge a grievance of sorts against us if we obviously manipulated his service time. Like if there were five games left in the year and he had played 28 games and we sent him down to avoid triggering the condition. I don't know that it would violate anything in the League's bylaws, but it would seem like something done in bad faith that another team would protest. I don't think the Rangers would do it like that, but it's interesting to consider.

 

[eco's bones]

This team’s top need at this point is a #1 D. It’s unlikely, but Tony has the chance to become that. And he’s right handed. I truly hope the team has him identified as part of the core moving forward.

ADA doesn't do it as a #1D in a definitional or a comparable sense for me. Obviously those are my opinions--they're not empirical but my definition of what a #1D is--is a guy who can play 25 minutes a game night in and night out in all defensive and offensive situations and be good at all of it--be a guy who you want out in the last minutes of a came whether to protect a lead or get a tying or winning goal. The Rangers played Pionk like that last year for over half the season but it wasn't a very successful experiment and Pionk's play declined as the season progressed. He clearly wasn't up to it--we don't have a guy who is--the closest IMO is Brady Skjei. That's why I don't think Tony fits the definitional case. He doesn't do all those things.

On comparable grounds--what I ask myself is how he would fit onto a playoff team--not necessarily a great team but a team that kind of struggles to make the playoffs and Carolina and Columbus would be two examples this year and on Columbus he would certainly be behind Jones and Werenka--and on Carolina he would be a bottom pairing guy. He's not a #1D IMO in a comparable sense and not very likely at all to become one--he does have a really good chance at becoming a very good 2nd pairing D. He's not all the way there. The next step for him to get there--and this is just my opinion--is to take on a greater defensive role. IMO if he can at least become a 2nd option penalty killer he will become a 20-22 minute a night guy. That's a good step and I think he's capable of doing it. More than that though--I don't know.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Why?

He was decent as a 4th line winger.

Physical, defensively responsible and built in insurance should one of the defenders get hurt

I think we can do better, besides as it stands right now who sits for Smith? Strome, Vesey, Fast, Names, Lias? I’d rather have Nieves as a 13th.

 

[romba]

I wonder if there is a mechanism wherein Carolina could lodge a grievance of sorts against us if we obviously manipulated his service time. Like if there were five games left in the year and he had played 28 games and we sent him down to avoid triggering the condition. I don't know that it would violate anything in the League's bylaws, but it would seem like something done in bad faith that another team would protest. I don't think the Rangers would do it like that, but it's interesting to consider.

I doubt it but who knows. Gorton probably told Carolina if Fox is ready and we have the spot he'll get it, we won't screw Carolina for the sake of a draft pick. Kind of a handshake sort of deal. Sure it could be a lie, but that would harm our trade rep in the future so it's in our best interest not to try to screw Carolina.

 

[True Blue]

This is just so idiotic it's beyond comprehension. I can't believe I'm even having to debate this.

I am just as guilty as you. In very similar umm....situations, I felt like I have actually become dumber after such debates. And yet, I continue to find myself responding to the posts.

 

[Levitate]

Smart players, similar stature, very elusive, very effective. C’mon...this is not a science. I just hear Yandle and I cringe. Yandle makes more turnovers than a bakery. Fox is pretty smart with the puck,

Wasn't Ellis always known for his skating though? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

 

[Miamipuck]

I am just as guilty as you. In very similar umm....situations, I felt like I have actually become dumber after such debates. And yet, I continue to find myself responding to the posts.

If I didn't put it on ignore, I would probably get dinged. It's better to chuckle at you guys then just hurl grenades at the lack of logic.

 

[pld459666]

I think we can do better, besides as it stands right now who sits for Smith? Strome, Vesey, Fast, Names, Lias? I’d rather have Nieves as a 13th.

Boo is a cheaper option, but not a better option

 

[charliemurphy]

Blair "Black hole" Betts. FTW !!!!!!

That HBO line was fun to watch

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If Fox is able to play in the NHL, that's where he should be.

You represent another HF stereotype the one that wants to rush all good prospects into NHL roster.

Dude, did you actually read his post...? How can you suggest he's trying to rush a prospect if that prospect is NHL ready..?

Smith can stay if there is no trade for him available. He is versatile at least, can probably even play goalie and center if needed. Shatt needs to be traded ASAP. Staal if he refuses to waive his clause, then buy him out.

So Smith can play Goalie and Center now? Why are we buying out Staal if we don't need his cap space? You were trying to convince us that Staal was a good player just a few months ago.

I'm confused. My organs are starting to hurt.

 

[gravey9]

There is no need to buy out anyone rn. If one of our vet Ds is legit blocking a kid we can trade them and retain salary. Smith won't be blocking anyone as a 7D/4th liner. Only Shatty and Staal. Shatty can be traded with 50% retention. Staal is here for 2 more years unless he decides to retire after next season or something else completely unforeseen. 2 years left on all those deals is just not a big issue. At this point, I'm more concerned about Skjei's development stalling out and not warranting the next 4 seasons at that AAV. That would potentially block the development of a Rykov or a Miller. But not too worried.

 

[Watcher450]

Rangers should not consider another buyout. They are still carrying Dan Giradi dead cap. Tough it out for one more season.