Confirmed with Link: New York Rangers Sign Adam Fox to Entry Level Deal

[Draft Guru]

Rangers should not consider another buyout. They are still carrying Dan Giradi dead cap. Tough it out for one more season.

It's 2 more seasons. Staal at 5.7, Shatty at 6.5.

 

[Leetch3]

crazy idea but you can also just not play a vet...you don't need them off the roster to let a kid play

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Boo is a cheaper option, but not a better option

Respectfully disagree

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Why are you putting words in my mouth. If he's not ready, he shouldn't be in the NHL. But determining his development based on moving from a 3rd to a 2nd is asinine.

I have no interest in rushing prospects. I also have no interest in stunting their growth because of something as minor as moving up or down a pick in a future draft.

This is just so idiotic it's beyond comprehension. I can't believe I'm even having to debate this.

You are the one who started putting words in my mouth.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

You are the one who started putting words in my mouth.

Yikes. I'm done here.

 

[Synergy27]

ADA doesn't do it as a #1D in a definitional or a comparable sense for me. Obviously those are my opinions--they're not empirical but my definition of what a #1D is--is a guy who can play 25 minutes a game night in and night out in all defensive and offensive situations and be good at all of it--be a guy who you want out in the last minutes of a came whether to protect a lead or get a tying or winning goal. The Rangers played Pionk like that last year for over half the season but it wasn't a very successful experiment and Pionk's play declined as the season progressed. He clearly wasn't up to it--we don't have a guy who is--the closest IMO is Brady Skjei. That's why I don't think Tony fits the definitional case. He doesn't do all those things.

On comparable grounds--what I ask myself is how he would fit onto a playoff team--not necessarily a great team but a team that kind of struggles to make the playoffs and Carolina and Columbus would be two examples this year and on Columbus he would certainly be behind Jones and Werenka--and on Carolina he would be a bottom pairing guy. He's not a #1D IMO in a comparable sense and not very likely at all to become one--he does have a really good chance at becoming a very good 2nd pairing D. He's not all the way there. The next step for him to get there--and this is just my opinion--is to take on a greater defensive role. IMO if he can at least become a 2nd option penalty killer he will become a 20-22 minute a night guy. That's a good step and I think he's capable of doing it. More than that though--I don't know.

I don’t disagree at all, but I do think he still has the potential to become those things if things break the right way. He’s a very talented player.

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

Odds of Jeff gorton deciding what jerseys sell in the team store? 0.000001%

Odds of someone looking at a simple chart of what sells and what doesn’t and stocking the shelves from there? 99.999999%

Photos of @Inferno in your Pionk jersey, please

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

ADA doesn't do it as a #1D in a definitional or a comparable sense for me. Obviously those are my opinions--they're not empirical but my definition of what a #1D is--is a guy who can play 25 minutes a game night in and night out in all defensive and offensive situations and be good at all of it--be a guy who you want out in the last minutes of a came whether to protect a lead or get a tying or winning goal. The Rangers played Pionk like that last year for over half the season but it wasn't a very successful experiment and Pionk's play declined as the season progressed. He clearly wasn't up to it--we don't have a guy who is--the closest IMO is Brady Skjei. That's why I don't think Tony fits the definitional case. He doesn't do all those things.

On comparable grounds--what I ask myself is how he would fit onto a playoff team--not necessarily a great team but a team that kind of struggles to make the playoffs and Carolina and Columbus would be two examples this year and on Columbus he would certainly be behind Jones and Werenka--and on Carolina he would be a bottom pairing guy. He's not a #1D IMO in a comparable sense and not very likely at all to become one--he does have a really good chance at becoming a very good 2nd pairing D. He's not all the way there. The next step for him to get there--and this is just my opinion--is to take on a greater defensive role. IMO if he can at least become a 2nd option penalty killer he will become a 20-22 minute a night guy. That's a good step and I think he's capable of doing it. More than that though--I don't know.

I think he's better than Faulk?

He doesn't need to be a #1 though. Minutes are interchanged between the top 4 on a game to game basis. Hes a guy you want out there when you're trailing or tied, but not necessarily someone you want to keep throwing out there with a lead (at least not yet.) What they need is a RHD who excels in that area, we don't have that (on either side really.)

He could conceivably play on a top pair, but his partner would have to be a stud.

 

[Kocur Dill]

crazy idea but you can also just not play a vet...you don't need them off the roster to let a kid play

While I totally get what you're saying. I do. This is still a Union of workers, and the NHL is a sport that still holds some tradition at heart. Players like Staal who all but died for this team at one point or another get every chance in the world to compete.

 

[Barnaby]

Fox/ADA should be a nice 2-3 of our RD's. I wouldn't mind seeing more of a rugged defensively responsible 3rd RD to balance things out.

 

[free0717]

Where does this leave for Sean Day?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Where does this leave for Sean Day?

Europe?

 

[Overcast]

crazy idea but you can also just not play a vet...you don't need them off the roster to let a kid play

It has to be the right environment for that to happen. During AV's tenure, it wasn't. He relied on the vets the team had - for better or for worse - because he wasn't in the business of developing rookies. I mean that as, it wasn't his main goal during games. He was a "win now" coach. Sure, he had to bring along and help a couple first-year players, but his goal was to win. Coaches are notorious for going with the "tried and true" commodity, because like AV said "I know what I'm getting with [him]." And like Beukeboom said, those vets get every chance to compete because they've given, quite literally, their blood and sweat for a team usually before the current coach was installed. Loyalty/respect for that kind of commitment runs deep and manifests as ice time for those vets.

However I believe this iteration of NYR is that right environment - a coach whose focus is development of younger players (but also a coach that very much has his finger on the pulse of the team and the players and will let them know why what is happening, is happening one way or the other) and a commitment to building from the ground up. Hank took his reduced assignments in stride while Georgiev held his own and did admirably. We may see a similar situation on D next year with a guy like Fox potentially coming in and making a strong case to stick on the opening night roster. We'll have to see. Even if it doesn't happen right out of the gate, with a coach like Quinn, Fox will be the type of player/a player in the position to get just as many chances as a guy like Staal to compete.

 

[Vitto79]

Where does this leave for Sean Day?

Well he’s playing out his 3 year deal for sure then likely takes off like Gilmour will

 

[Gardner McKay]

I feel you but I have zero desire to see Smith play F for this team

It is a dead year. It isn't like we are trying to be contenders or anything.

 

[eco's bones]

I think he's better than Faulk?

He doesn't need to be a #1 though. Minutes are interchanged between the top 4 on a game to game basis. Hes a guy you want out there when you're trailing or tied, but not necessarily someone you want to keep throwing out there with a lead (at least not yet.) What they need is a RHD who excels in that area, we don't have that (on either side really.)

He could conceivably play on a top pair, but his partner would have to be a stud.

I think there's a possibility that some day DeAngelo might be as good as Faulk is now. But Faulk has playing regular in the NHL since he was 20 years old. He's made the US Olympic team. Like DeAngelo and the rest of the Rangers right side defensemen he does have defensive adventures but he's a solid proven player and if he were on our team right now he would be hands down our best d-man IMO. But anyway I was responding to someone who suggested DeAngelo might become a legit #1D so a defense by committee is a bit of a different tack to be on but it's usually best that you have clear first pairing guys.

We do need a right side d-man who can play in defensive situations and even better all situations.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think there's a possibility that some day DeAngelo might be as good as Faulk is now. But Faulk has playing regular in the NHL since he was 20 years old. He's made the US Olympic team. Like DeAngelo and the rest of the Rangers right side defensemen he does have defensive adventures but he's a solid proven player and if he were on our team right now he would be hands down our best d-man IMO. But anyway I was responding to someone who suggested DeAngelo might become a legit #1D so a defense by committee is a bit of a different tack to be on but it's usually best that you have clear first pairing guys.

We do need a right side d-man who can play in defensive situations and even better all situations.

Faulk hasn't been very good for a few seasons now. He's been riding on reputation.

An all situations stud would be great, but its not necessary. A true match up D is something we're missing on both sides.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It is a dead year. It isn't like we are trying to be contenders or anything.

Dead weight for dead year I guess, hope they find a taker

 

[eco's bones]

Faulk hasn't been very good for a few seasons now. He's been riding on reputation.

An all situations stud would be great, but its not necessary. A true match up D is something we're missing on both sides.

I didn't say that Faulk is a great 1st pairing d-man but he's legit as a second pairing D. AFAIC Hamilton is Carolina's most overrated D.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I didn't say that Faulk is a great 1st pairing d-man but he's legit as a second pairing D. AFAIC Hamilton is Carolina's most overrated D.

Dunce Lord Hamilton just flat out sucks.

 

[eco's bones]

Dunce Lord Hamilton just flat out sucks.

Hamilton just reminds me so much of Tom Poti. Talented but low energy and not aggressive at all.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hamilton just reminds me so much of Tom Poti. Talented but low energy and not aggressive at all.

Yeah D cut from that cloth really annoy me (Jay-Bo, Fowler, Dunce Lord, Poti.)

Whats insane is the Canes clearly lost that trade big time and they're still going to end up in the conference finals barring an epic collapse.

 

[CommaSynapse]

I think Skjei has that next level he hasn't reached yet. We've seen glimpses. He just needs to get it all together. He has, in many ways, been forced into tough situations. I'm interested to see how he handles this upcoming year.

I love the bitching and moaning about Fox on the main boards. At this point, I wish we had just waited it out and signed him as a free agent to really irk them. We gave Carolina assets instead of just waiting it out. We'll see how it works out for all involved.

In watching videos of Fox, he looks to have really good vision and good split-second decision-making. That can translate into some good fake-outs of opposing forwards and open up space in both transition and in the offensive zone. He works hard.

My worry is that his size is going to be a hindrance in stopping NHL-sized players, and, for that reason, I don't know that he'll be an all-situations d-man. Can we live with a hardworking, top-4 offensive d--man for what may ultimately be two seconds if all goes well? Is there a defensive upside I'm not seeing?

We need some size on the right side, for sure. I'm not ready to let go of Pionk yet, unless we get a slam-dunk offer. We'll see who steps up.

 

[eco's bones]

Yeah D cut from that cloth really annoy me (Jay-Bo, Fowler, Dunce Lord, Poti.)

Whats insane is the Canes clearly lost that trade big time and they're still going to end up in the conference finals barring an epic collapse.

They've got great team chemistry is part of it though. Brind'amour seems like a natural as a coach too. Slavin is just a wonderful d-man and Pesce is really, really good too. Having Faulk on the second pair and then de Haan and Van Reimsdyk are just so steady and it's like it leaves space for Hamilton to f*** up a bit without being more than just an annoyance. Jordan Staal and Justin Williams playing great. But I really like their Finns Aho and Teravainen--even Manalaenen is a pretty good depth player. Foegele and McGinn and Ferland before he was hurt and Niederreiter isn't bad--so there's a lot there. They're an example of everyone finding their role and buying in and you can overcome more talented teams that way.

 

[Edge]

There’s a lot of debate as to whether certain prospects are first pairing vs. second pairing, second vs. third, a number 1 defenseman vs. a 2 or a 3. And those are important and interesting discussions.

But I’m less interested about whether they fit traditional or perceived definitions, and more interested in whether they come together as more than the sum of their parts. I’ll give you a pair of old school examples from our last cup team:

Beukeboom was not by any realistic definition, or expectation, a number 2 defenseman. Yet there he was, playing with Brian Leetch because the combination worked.

Kevin Lowe was often Sergei Zubov’s partner on that same team. Zubov was, by most definitions, not a second pairing defenseman. But there he was, a second pairing defenseman. And Kevin Lowe, a guy who played 1200+ NHL games and won 6 cups, wasn’t necessarily a guy who would’ve been defined as a typical number one defenseman for that era.