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Buchnevich89 said:
I would rather keep Shattenkirk over Smith in theory, but this is an exceptional case. We have 4 very similar players (Shattenkirk, Pionk, DeAngelo, Fox), and since we’re rebuilding, the veteran should be the odd man out. Staal can stay and mentor unless he’s blocking someone like Lindgren/Rykov/K’Andre Miller if/when they’re ready. Smith can be a 12/13/14 forward. Also, Shattenkirk kind of sucked this year. Maybe he’ll be better next year, but I’m tired of him.
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What and what
 
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I am ok with Fox playing most of the season in Hartford to preserve our 2020 "worthless & overrated" 2nd rounder in favor of the "so worthless that we should just forfeit it altogether" 3rd rounder.
 
Lindberg Cheese said:
I vote for both Smith and Shatty to leave the island
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Smith can stay if there is no trade for him available. He is versatile at least, can probably even play goalie and center if needed. Shatt needs to be traded ASAP. Staal if he refuses to waive his clause, then buy him out.
 
WeNeverGetaGoodCoach said:
I am ok with Fox playing most of the season in Hartford to preserve our 2020 "worthless & overrated" 2nd rounder in favor of the "so worthless that we should just forfeit it altogether" 3rd rounder.
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This would be horrendous asset management for a host of reasons. Thankfully, Gorton and Co. appear to be far smarter than you, so this is unlikely to happen.

If Fox is able to play in the NHL, that's where he should be. Hartford is still a cesspool and I have no interest in sending him there just to 'preserve' our pick.

You are truly the stereotype of HF. Severely overvaluing picks.
 
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Inferno said:
Odds of Jeff gorton deciding what jerseys sell in the team store? 0.000001%

Odds of someone looking at a simple chart of what sells and what doesn’t and stocking the shelves from there? 99.999999%
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Exactly. That tells you nothing about what the team thinks about pionk but probably tells you a lot about what fans outside of this board think of him. And it's not overly surprising that on a rebuild team a rookie dman that put up a bunch of points early would draw interest from fans
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Those pionk jerseys at the MSG team store really scare me. They tell me management considers him a marketable piece of the future. You see zibanejad chytil skjei Lundqvist and pionk jerseys. That’s it. There are racks of pionk jerseys.

Not one DeAngelo Jersey.

Why management loves this kid so much I have no idea. He’s an undrafted nobody. He’s small he’s bad he can’t make a pass. I don’t get it.
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This is a massive stretch, even for you.
 
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Call me crazy but I like smith as 4th line winger and dropping back to kill penalties on the right side. If we’ve got deAngelo FOX and Shatty playing everyday we’re going to need some help on the pk.

Someone gets hurt during a game smith is there to drop back. I like the utility of it. He’s pricey for it sure but I’m in no hurry to move him. He’d be my 12th forward right now.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Call me crazy but I like smith as 4th line winger and dropping back to kill penalties on the right side. If we’ve got deAngelo FOX and Shatty playing everyday we’re going to need some help on the pk.

Someone gets hurt during a game smith is there to drop back. I like the utility of it. He’s pricey for it sure but I’m in no hurry to move him. He’d be my 12th forward right now.
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if deangelo and fox want to be a top 4 guy they need to learn to kill penalties...you can have guys on the blue line that don't kill penalties but not the entire right side. I think they should be out there to gain experience and learn. it might not be pretty but i'm not worried about protecting our PK %, it will make them better players
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
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Ok unless the return was too good to turn down, it would be dumb.
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kudos for the open mind

As you said, RHD are in high demand. Why the hell do we want to trade a young one who looks like hes figuring out and was a stud down the stretch?
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It is less a matter of we want to, as much as it could make sense to do so.
Again, tap that open mind.

I didn't say throw DeA to the wolves, get rid of him, give him the bum's rush. Mine eyes have also seen his growth and marked improvement.

I suggested specifically, while being open to other options, a package deal which included Deangelo to Sabes for Samuellsson [a righty 2nd round RD with good bloodlines looking like a solid prospect] and that eye openner RD prospect, sorry I forgot the Scandinavian name, not listed on capfriendly cause he's not signed yet.
consider:
1) that gives us 2 emerging guys for 1 in an area of critical need. We do have some nice RD prospects in the pipeline but they are all 1-2 years away min. The more we add to that, the more chances we get not just a guy as good as ADA, but a better one.
2) both those guys are elc and no mins in NHL yet, so they are expansion draft exempt. Remember, you want to deal with that, get ahead of that curve, you act NOW, not later, when options are reduced and hands are tied. Deangelo just finished elc and is now rfa.
3) In my prop w/Buf, we would be doing Lias, Howden and Deangelo for 7OA + StL 2019 late 1st + the two RD prospects indicated above.
How many exemptions do we have? 7 Fs, 3Ds + a G. Repurpose our Fs. Kakko will be exempt, not sure about Krav. Panarin if he signs. Zib if we don't move him now while we can for a true stud RD now or other significant futures to do so later. Kreider. And that is leaving out others. So if Buf will pay top dollar for immediate help NOW, then NOW is the time to do that deal.
4) In that deal, we are moving a 7OA value in Andersson for a 7OA from a deeper draft. That is a crapshoot and I agree it is mathematically ballpark, but I could understand Sabes wanting a sweetener. Howden is only 1 yr in his elc and is a former 26 or so OA vs a very late Blues pick, so they can't complain there, might even be slight advantage to them. So setting aside what this deal is on its own, moving Deangelo in that package also helps equalize that deal from Buf's standpoint.

We should be looking to get whatever we can for Pionk, who despite being the same age as DeAngelo showed nothing last year outside of an excellent rush against Montreal and a few decent clappers.
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no one is giving us anything significant or otherwise for Pionk now, as is.

If we do a deal sending Zib + for Rasmus Andersson ++, then I could see Pionk going as a minute eating 3RD or 7th depth guy to Flames, given they'd have coughed up Raz.
But not too many other scenarios.
See if he improves, then move.

EK probably isn't ending up here and hes not signing for a year.
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He's made his millions.
Another huge contract for max term would be nice, but it is not critical for him.
The odds would be much smaller without his buddy Lundqvist already here, but I can see him responding positively to Hank outreach if NY puts enuf mo on the table.
11 mil 1 yr, see if my design comes to fruition
if we are not [strong] playoff contender, then we deal him to contender of his choice who also gives us enough. If nec, we eat half for him as a rental. win win either way.
He buys us 1 yr as stopgap vs arriving RDs, so worth it.
 
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I'm completely fine with Smith as a 4th line winger/dman on the PK as long as we don't need that cap space anywhere else.

Honestly, I know it's not realistic, but if he was signed to less than 1.5M or so, I may even advocate for extending him at that price and continuing to deploy him the same way.
 
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Faceless said:
This would be horrendous asset management for a host of reasons. Thankfully, Gorton and Co. appear to be far smarter than you, so this is unlikely to happen.

If Fox is able to play in the NHL, that's where he should be. Hartford is still a cesspool and I have no interest in sending him there just to 'preserve' our pick.

You are truly the stereotype of HF. Severely overvaluing picks.
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Hartford is a cesspool? You don't even know who the new coaches will be. Nothing wrong with 30 NHL games in his first pro year and 50 AHL games. He never even played a long season yet and on smaller rinks.


You represent another HF stereotype the one that wants to rush all good prospects into NHL roster.
 
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