Confirmed with Link: New York Rangers Sign Adam Fox to Entry Level Deal

[egelband]

Agreed, but would an extra 5 or 10 games in Hartford in order to avoid the change in draft pick status be worth it? For example, after an ok training camp the team decides its better for his development to start in Hartford for a bit to get his pro game in order. He starts out slow and begins to pick it up later in the season. With about 40 or so games to go the Rangers suffer an injury on D. He seems ready for a shot at the big dance. We can hodgepodge it for a week or two before calling up Fox and keep the draft pick as a 3rd, or call him up ASAP and make it a second. Would the 5-10 games really harm him at that point? Would he resent being held off the big club for 2 weeks to keep the pick a 3rd? Would the Rangers players look at it as in sacrificing wins this year for a better draft pick, which goes against the philosophy we've (very successfully) run to this point? My gut is that gun to the head, the team would definitely rather let him stew the extra 2 weeks. However, the message sent to the rest of the team would be too negative (this year doesn't matter) and they'd end up calling him up ASAP if it would help the big club.

Of course they should wait to keep it a third rounder. Only if Fox absolutely crushes it in the AHL should they bring him up.

 

[Levitate]

I think Skjei has that next level he hasn't reached yet. We've seen glimpses. He just needs to get it all together. He has, in many ways, been forced into tough situations. I'm interested to see how he handles this upcoming year.

To be honest I think his rookie year got him overconfident a bit and he tried to make his game like McDonagh's, but he doesn't have the skill that McDonagh does (or at least, not the same skills to play that way). I feel he has struggled until he has managed to get back a bit to playing his own game rather than trying to be McDonagh.

He's got tools, he doesn't have to be a big point producer or facilitator of the offense, he just needs to be stout defensively and start the transition well.

 

[free0717]

How does Sean Day fit into this equation?

 

[Edge]

How does Sean Day for into this equation?

Day’s in the same boat he’s been in for a while. If he’s going to make it, it’ll be because his athleticism brings just enough to eclipse his hockey IQ.

If it doesn’t, he’ll have a nice career in a European league.

 

[Leetch3]

no offense to sean day but with the blueline depth we've brought in, if he even sniffs our roster we are in serious trouble considering how many guys would have busted for him to get a shot

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yea, Day is not going to be on this roster.

 

[Ghost of jas]

How does Sean Day fit into this equation?

He doesn't

 

[darko]

He doesn't

Yup.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Yea, Day is not going to be on this roster.

He has the physical tools to be an NHL player. But, everything else is lacking. Career AHL'r imo.

 

[charliemurphy]

I think he's better than Faulk?

He doesn't need to be a #1 though. Minutes are interchanged between the top 4 on a game to game basis. Hes a guy you want out there when you're trailing or tied, but not necessarily someone you want to keep throwing out there with a lead (at least not yet.) What they need is a RHD who excels in that area, we don't have that (on either side really.)

He could conceivably play on a top pair, but his partner would have to be a stud.

Give Miller a couple more seasons and top 4 of...
Miller-ADA
Skjei-Fox
Not too shabby if things pan out.

 

[UnSandvich]

If Day takes an NHL spot either

A. A LOT of people bust
B. There's a ton of injuries, and its only temporary
C. Something finally clicks, and he earns a slot through his play

If C happens, can we really be disappointed?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If Day takes an NHL spot either

A. A LOT of people bust
B. There's a ton of injuries, and its only temporary
C. Something finally clicks, and he earns a slot through his play

If C happens, can we really be disappointed?

It won't happen if it hasn't happened yet. He just doesn't have the hockey IQ.

 

[cwede]

no offense to sean day but with the blueline depth we've brought in, if he even sniffs our roster we are in serious trouble considering how many guys would have busted for him to get a shot

i don't think that how it really works, i don't think Quinn or Gorton have made up minds

and i think this dismissing of Day is premature
he is 21-year old, one-time Exceptional player, with size, skating, just completed first year pro with a much improved 2d half

he is in the same pool with Hajek, Lindgren, Fox, Keane, (even Bigras, Crawley, Raddysh among the NHL contracts)
come to camp, fit and ready, respond to coaching, perform, there are slots to be earned

every young player progresses at different rate, and coaching makes a difference
NYR are fortunate to have this deep D pipeline,
some guys will disappoint, some will have a rocky road, some will make it big

 

[duhmetreE]

Give Miller a couple more seasons and top 4 of...
Miller-ADA
Skjei-Fox
Not too shabby if things pan out.

I think Lundqvist will be our best RHD in a few seasons.

2021
Miller-ADA
Hajek-Lundkvist
Rykov-Fox

 

[Rempe73]

What and what

Well, they aren’t identical, but they are all relatively similar. And yes, in a rebuild the overpaid veteran who is not much better than any of the other four should be the odd man out. Am I missing something?

 

[aufheben]

Well, they aren’t identical, but they are all relatively similar. And yes, in a rebuild the overpaid veteran who is not much better than any of the other four should be the odd man out. Am I missing something?

NHL coaches don’t often give preferential treatment to rookies, and Quinn is effectively a rookie himself. The avg age of our forwards right now is 24.3, add (hopefully) Kakko and Kravtsov to that group, maybe even Kreider is traded.

Idk why people are obsessed with pushing Smith and Shattenkirk out of the lineup; neither of them are here long-term. Just rotate Fox in for Pionk.

I’m mostly unfamiliar with Fox, but I still don’t see what the other three have in common.

 

[Leetch3]

I think Lundqvist will be our best RHD in a few seasons.

2021
Miller-ADA
Hajek-Lundkvist
Rykov-Fox

that would be amazing although I think the despite all of our depth, its still unlikely that all 6 guys in the final rebuilt blueline will all come from within our system and also all be that young. I mean when was the last time a team had a purely homegrown blueline? I think at some point a trade/signing will be made to add the 'final piece' to that blueline puzzle...although I'd be ecstatic to be wrong and have all those kids make it.

 

[charliemurphy]

I think Lundqvist will be our best RHD in a few seasons.

2021
Miller-ADA
Hajek-Lundkvist
Rykov-Fox

All the better... mix and match all night

Miller-ADA
Skjei-Fox
Hajek-Lundkvist
Lindgren, Rykov, Keane... can never have enough dmen.

 

[Rempe73]

NHL coaches don’t often give preferential treatment to rookies, and Quinn is effectively a rookie himself. The avg age of our forwards right now is 24.3, add (hopefully) Kakko and Kravtsov to that group, maybe even Kreider is traded.

Idk why people are obsessed with pushing Smith and Shattenkirk out of the lineup; neither of them are here long-term. Just rotate Fox in for Pionk.

I’m mostly unfamiliar with Fox, but I still don’t see what the other three have in common.

I never said Quinn is going to give the rookies preferential treatment. I meant that the veteran should be the odd man out. And since coaches don’t give rookies the benefit of the doubt, it’s up to Gorton to trade him. And they are all smallish, offensive-oriented RHD who are good on the power play. What do you mean?

 

[kovazub94]

ADA doesn't do it as a #1D in a definitional or a comparable sense for me. Obviously those are my opinions--they're not empirical but my definition of what a #1D is--is a guy who can play 25 minutes a game night in and night out in all defensive and offensive situations and be good at all of it--be a guy who you want out in the last minutes of a came whether to protect a lead or get a tying or winning goal. The Rangers played Pionk like that last year for over half the season but it wasn't a very successful experiment and Pionk's play declined as the season progressed. He clearly wasn't up to it--we don't have a guy who is--the closest IMO is Brady Skjei. That's why I don't think Tony fits the definitional case. He doesn't do all those things.

On comparable grounds--what I ask myself is how he would fit onto a playoff team--not necessarily a great team but a team that kind of struggles to make the playoffs and Carolina and Columbus would be two examples this year and on Columbus he would certainly be behind Jones and Werenka--and on Carolina he would be a bottom pairing guy. He's not a #1D IMO in a comparable sense and not very likely at all to become one--he does have a really good chance at becoming a very good 2nd pairing D. He's not all the way there. The next step for him to get there--and this is just my opinion--is to take on a greater defensive role. IMO if he can at least become a 2nd option penalty killer he will become a 20-22 minute a night guy. That's a good step and I think he's capable of doing it. More than that though--I don't know.

Exactly, every word! Even further I don’t think pairing with a physical LD would fully compensate for all ADA size-related deficiencies.

 

[Algernop Kreider]

I think Lundqvist will be our best RHD in a few seasons.

2021
Miller-ADA
Hajek-Lundkvist
Rykov-Fox

https://sports.theonion.com/rangers-counting-on-henrik-lundqvist-to-step-up-on-offe-1819576572

 

[bobbop]

Day’s in the same boat he’s been in for a while. If he’s going to make it, it’ll be because his athleticism brings just enough to eclipse his hockey IQ.

If it doesn’t, he’ll have a nice career in a European league.

I hope he has his passport in order.

 

[bobbop]

I still have to squint hard to see ADA as a top 4 player on a first division team. Top 6 yes, especially in a defined role. Still a lot of work to do on the defensive side.

I’d still love to see the team add a stout RHD (e.g. Trouba, Seidel) to be the primary penalty killer.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I still have to squint hard to see ADA as a top 4 player on a first division team. Top 6 yes, especially in a defined role. Still a lot of work to do on the defensive side.

I’d still love to see the team add a stout RHD (e.g. Trouba, Seidel) to be the primary penalty killer.

He was one of the best defenseman the second half the season. Yes he needs work on defense still, but it was his 2nd year in the league(1st full season) and he played better defensively than the rest of our guys. Oh and he can actually move the puck. Not sure how the heck you only see him as a bottom pair defenseman

 

[bobbop]

He was one of the best defenseman the second half the season. Yes he needs work on defense still, but it was his 2nd year in the league(1st full season) and he played better defensively than the rest of our guys. Oh and he can actually move the puck. Not sure how the heck you only see him as a bottom pair defenseman

Actually it was his third year in the league and I still have real questions about his defensive reliability. Saw a lot of mistakes. Also saw a lot of good things and much progress.