Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at Vegas Golden Knights - January 8

[Thirty One]

This team has average at best NHL talent outside of the goaltending. Now you’re going to give them 5 days off and they come out totally rusty with a few big injuries against the Islanders and Halak who own us in a 1 pm start. Anyone thinking they have even a remote shot Saturday under these circumstances doesn’t know the Rangers

Give me 4-1 odds?

Pls respond.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I'm not dismissing anything and I respect your opinion but at the same time you guy's got the play you wanted and it lost us the game.
Makes no sense too me..

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the goal was scored because Skjei and Nieves were not where they were supposed to be.

Why are you just endlessly dismissing this?

Shattenkirk's play on that goal lost us the game? Are you trolling? This is insane. Skjei and Nieves not doing their job is why the goal was scored. 100% FACT.

I'd be hard pressed to think of a more clear example of a play where one party wasn't at fault. Shattenkirk is on his man and nobody is on the eventual goal scorer.

Thank you.

 

[Nopuckluck]

Oh and by the way.
Skjei #3 nhl defenseman
McDonough #2 defenseman
Lundqvist elite goalie nearing the end
Shattenkirk #3 defenseman. Good offense suspect d
Kreider first line player inconsistent
Zuccarello (my favorite) 2nd line player on a contender, small
Zibby 1b, 2a Center ala Stephan
Buchnevich unproven potential

Everyone else (yes Miller and Hayes too) are bottom 6 forwards and bottom 2 defenseman on a contending team.

No other top end talent on a consistent basis. Period

Plus the coach is an idiot. How are you going to win in the playoffs if you get there.

 

[Siddi]

Be careful what you wish for.

I wouldn't mind at all. I always find your posts to be enjoyable and informative.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

This team has average at best NHL talent outside of the goaltending. Now you’re going to give them 5 days off and they come out totally rusty with a few big injuries against the Islanders and Halak who own us in a 1 pm start. Anyone thinking they have even a remote shot Saturday under these circumstances doesn’t know the Rangers

IIRC the Islanders have a bye this week as well, and have been playing just as poorly as us, if not more so.

 

[Kovalev27]

Shattenkirk was at zero fault on the goal. Pass didn’t even go thru him went behind him to a wide open guy that neither skjei nor Nieves felt like covering. Pretty much end of discussion

 

[silverfish]

I wouldn't mind at all. I always find your posts to be enjoyable and informative.

I think you're thinking of eyjee, a good poster.

 

[Kovalev27]

Watched the game from ice level. Lettieri is fast and can shoot, was very noticeable. Hope he stays.

He just got sent down for the break obviously to play I’d imagine but should be back up. Kid is a good player. Makes things happen.

 

[Nopuckluck]

Give me 4-1 odds?

Pls respond.

How do I give you odds on a forum. We don’t even know each other. Good luck brother. Been watching this team since 1978. I’d love to be wrong. Too often I’m right

 

[Thirty One]

How do I give you odds on a forum. We don’t even know each other. Good luck brother. Been watching this team since 1978. I’d love to be wrong. Too often I’m right

I'll meet you in the park. I'll be the one wearing jean shorts and suspenders.

 

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Have fun kids

 

[DanielBrassard]

What you're complaining about here isn't KS22, it's the system.

AV's d-scheme, when the Rangers have numbers back, isn't to step up at the blue line. In fact, I don't think AV's scheme ever has the D stepping up at the blue line. This is a major reason why BS42 has been somewhat of a let down with NYR. His best strength is eliminating zone entries against, but we don't care about that in AV hockey.

The main component of KS22's job on this play was to keep his man to the outside, and he did that. The Rangers had numbers back, so KS22 maintained his lane, and didn't allow himself to get beat inside, which is exactly what he's supposed to do there.

The fault lies with Skjei and Nieves for guarding open ice instead of the dangerous player.

Once again, I'd like to call out that the only reason we're even talking about this play is because it led to a goal against. If that play goes off, and KS22 allows the pass across and BS76 has his man, no one even remembers that this happened. What likely happens here is that we have 55 pages praising Brady Skjei for intercepting the pass, and turning the puck up ice. Exactly what he is supposed to do in this situation when running AV hockey.

How many opportunities did LV have at point blank range last night? How many odd-man rushes did the Rangers give up? Do you remember any of the players who messed up there and allowed those breakdowns to occur? No, because LV didn't score on those opportunities. Joe and Sam didn't show 15 replays from 75 different angles for you to watch on your couch so you could focus in on the player who you think was the problem in the breakdown, and ignore all the other information being presented to you.

Stay woke, y'all.

I liked this post except for the last sentence lol. But you are exactly right, this is a passive defensive system in that the Rangers are so willing to concede the ice in front of them, and it just leads to easy entries for the opposing team.

 

[mrhockey193195]

Miller has been atrocious for about a month now. Something needs to change with him. Cheap giveaways in the neutral zone, terrible passing, terrible decision making.

 

[haveandare]

Oh and by the way.
Skjei #3 nhl defenseman
McDonough #2 defenseman
Lundqvist elite goalie nearing the end
Shattenkirk #3 defenseman. Good offense suspect d
Kreider first line player inconsistent
Zuccarello (my favorite) 2nd line player on a contender, small
Zibby 1b, 2a Center ala Stephan
Buchnevich unproven potential

Everyone else (yes Miller and Hayes too) are bottom 6 forwards and bottom 2 defenseman on a contending team.

No other top end talent on a consistent basis. Period

Plus the coach is an idiot. How are you going to win in the playoffs if you get there.

There is no measure by which Kreider is a first line player and Zucc isn’t. Miller and Hayes are not bottom 6 forwards either.

The team isn’t good enough to win this year but this is over the top pessimism imo.

 

[will1066]

Miller has been atrocious for about a month now. Something needs to change with him. Cheap giveaways in the neutral zone, terrible passing, terrible decision making.

Move him back to center. It'll clear him up.

 

[mrhockey193195]

DD out.
Center depth should be
Mika
Hayes
Miller
Boo

When healthy (minus Kreider):

Vesey-Mika-Zuc
Grabner-Hayes-Nash
Lettieri-Miller-Buch
Carey-Boo-Fast

 

[Tawnos]

Shattenkirk’s job there isn’t to try to take out the player coming in. That’s literally not the job of ANY defenseman in that situation in the NHL.

With numbers back, his job is to try to stay between the puck carrier and the goal.

He did and even forced Smith to the outside.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Went to the game - awesome arena, awesome crowd, clean - friendly people. Go next year if you haven't considered it.
Loud building. Hockey knowledge is astonishingly low but they are upfront about it and ask a lot of questions.

 

[Crease]

Confused as to why people are chirping Shattenkirk on the second goal. Can he pivot like Karlsson or Doughty? No. But his only real mistake there was expecting his teammates to not blow their backchecking assignments. Maybe he could have gotten his stick on the pass but c'est la vie.

 

[Thirty One]

Confused as to why people are chirping Shattenkirk on the second goal. His only real mistake was expecting his teammates to not blow their backchecking assignments.

Because he really wants it to be Shattenkirk's fault, ok?

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t understand why Miller was taken out of the middle in the first place. We’ve played our best with him in the middle. The big problem came when fast got hurt and AV instead of just plugging a winger into the spot decided to throw the whole lineup into a blender pulling Miller out of the middle.

I’d probably go

Nash Zibanejad Buchnevich
Grabner Miller Zucc
Vesey Hayes Fast
Carey Desharnais/Nieves Lettieri

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I like Buch, but what has he done the last 10 games or so? I'm sorry, but I expect more from the kid. He has more talent than Carey on his pinky finger (sorry Carey). Literally invisible maybe one or 2 good plays a game, that didn't even produce a goal. Not suffice.

Points in their last 10 games (your parameter):

Nash: 1
Buchnevich: 3
Zibanejad: 2
Hayes: 5
Miller: 5
Zuccarello: 6

Would you say all 6 of these top 9 players are performing poorly the last 10 games? I would. None of them are playing well enough. Also, lets also consider which of these 6 has played the least.

Out of this list, the fact that the coach singles out his youngest player who will probably push back the least, a player who overall this season has been one of his best players, shows this is not about "being invisible" the last 10 games. Or if it is, its a very misguided mindset. Why does someone need to be scratched? How does it help a mediocre team try to qualify for the playoffs when the team's most effective forward is out of the lineup? You think publicly shaming one of your best players who makes the minimum salary is a good way to go about things? How about the coach does a better job in coaching up his underperforming players? Would that make more sense than publicly shaming one of them?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Points in their last 10 games (your parameter):

Nash: 1
Buchnevich: 3
Zibanejad: 2
Hayes: 5
Miller: 5
Zuccarello: 6

Would you say all 6 of these top 9 players are performing poorly the last 10 games? I would. None of them are playing well enough. Also, lets also consider which of these 6 has played the least.

Out of this list, the fact that the coach singles out his youngest player who will probably push back the least, a player who overall this season has been one of his best players, shows this is not about "being invisible" the last 10 games. Or if it is, its a very misguided mindset. Why does someone need to be scratched? How does it help a mediocre team try to qualify for the playoffs when the team's most effective forward is out of the lineup? You think publicly shaming one of your best players who makes the minimum salary is a good way to go about things? How about the coach does a better job in coaching up his underperforming players? Would that make more sense than publicly shaming one of them?

I actually think Hayes has looked pretty good, but that's about it.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Oh and by the way.
Skjei #3 nhl defenseman
McDonough #2 defenseman
Lundqvist elite goalie nearing the end
Shattenkirk #3 defenseman. Good offense suspect d
Kreider first line player inconsistent
Zuccarello (my favorite) 2nd line player on a contender, small
Zibby 1b, 2a Center ala Stephan
Buchnevich unproven potential

Everyone else (yes Miller and Hayes too) are bottom 6 forwards and bottom 2 defenseman on a contending team.

No other top end talent on a consistent basis. Period

Plus the coach is an idiot. How are you going to win in the playoffs if you get there.

How many names are you going to spell incorrectly?

I also disagree with like half of this.

Name 31 defensemen better than McDonagh. You can't. Try naming 20. You can't.

Kreider is not inconsistent. This is one of the narratives people love to spout. If he was a 5'11 hockey sense center, no one would claim this. They do it because he's big and fast, they think that means he should be literal Wayne Gretzky every game.

Zuccarello is a first line winger by any measure. Buchnevich is not unproven potential, he's proven to be the team's most effective or at least top few most effective forwards.

 

[Nopuckluck]

There is no measure by which Kreider is a first line player and Zucc isn’t. Miller and Hayes are not bottom 6 forwards either.

The team isn’t good enough to win this year but this is over the top pessimism imo.

I disagree. Hayes has 17 points on pace for 34 as a center. Miller is brain dead 75% of the time. I love Zucc. My favorite Ranger but.....