Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at Vegas Golden Knights - January 8

[ReggieDunlop68]

You keep saying "agree to disagree" when people present facts to you and they don't go along with your point of view so you dismiss it.

It's not agree to disagree when you're as wrong as you are.

"2+2 is 5"

"No, it's 4"

"Well, agree to disagree"


It doesn't work like that.

San Deyaaago...

When in Rome..

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

This team has average at best NHL talent outside of the goaltending. Now you’re going to give them 5 days off and they come out totally rusty with a few big injuries against the Islanders and Halak who own us in a 1 pm start. Anyone thinking they have even a remote shot Saturday under these circumstances doesn’t know the Rangers

You know what that means ?

 

[Nopuckluck]

How many names are you going to spell incorrectly?

I also disagree with like half of this.

Name 31 defensemen better than McDonagh. You can't. Try naming 20. You can't.

Kreider is not inconsistent. This is one of the narratives people love to spout. If he was a 5'11 hockey sense center, no one would claim this. They do it because he's big and fast, they think that means he should be literal Wayne Gretzky every game.



Zuccarello is a first line winger by any measure. Buchnevich is not unproven potential, he's proven to be the team's most effective or at least top few most effective forwards.

I disagree on many levels but hey. Whatever. The mispellings are because I’m on my phone. What exactly does McDonough do to make him a number 1? His defense is good, not great and he has ZERO GOALS AND ZERO OFFENSE. Hands of stone for goodness sake. As far as Kreider goes, when I see him put in an effort like he did in the last period of the last playoff game EVERY SHIFT, then he will be consistent. If ou can do it then you can do it every shift. It’s effort not talent. I also like Buchnevich and he’s gotten the shaft a little but what has he done in two years now? Being this teams most effective forward (which he’s not by the way) means nothing considering we don’t have a single elite offensive player.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I disagree on many levels but hey. Whatever. The mispellings are because I’m on my phone. What exactly does McDonough do to make him a number 1? His defense is good, not great and he has ZERO GOALS AND ZERO OFFENSE. Hands of stone for goodness sake. As far as Kreider goes, when I see him put in an effort like he did in the last period of the last playoff game EVERY SHIFT, then he will be consistent. If ou can do it then you can do it every shift. It’s effort not talent. I also like Buchnevich and he’s gotten the shaft a little but what has he done in two years now? Being this teams most effective forward (which he’s not by the way) means nothing considering we don’t have a single elite offensive player.

Buchnevich hasn't really been given a fair shake to really get anything done. Anytime he makes a mistake the coach benches him or moves him down the lineup.

Last season he was regularly scratched for Tanner Glass. This year he's consistently in the bottom 3 forwards for ice time.

What we saw earlier this season was AV leaving Buch on the 1st line and that's the best Buch has looked. He had confidence and was playing like it. He's a young kid, confidence is clearly big thing for him and it seems like it's completely shot at this point. I'm not one of the people who think AV handles all young players poorly but I think in the particular case of Buchnevich, his approach has been bad.

You need production from your young players on ELCs if you wanna be good in today's salary cap NHL. We have a young kid on an ELC who is showing signs that he's ready to burst out into a full time 1st line guy and instead of letting him work through any growing pains to get there, AV has gotten a shorter and shorter leash with him, taking him back down from being a player about to realize his potential and not again as a young kid who is struggling to put it all together.

 

[Machinehead]

@Mac n Gs
@silverfish

I'm not complaining, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

I can sit here for a year picking apart this system and yes, there were other players that were out of position.
Nobody is denying that but if you guys honestly think that #22 played a one on one situation correctly then I honestly don't know what to tell you.

He couldn't have possibly played it any softer. He needs pom poms instead of a stick.

I think any coach in the league would suggest that he failed miserably on that play but we've never heard that before.

You've been watching hockey too long to actually think that was Shattenkirk's fault. You're seeing what you want to see because you don't like the guy.

And I don't even think he's been particularly good but harping on a goal he had absolutely nothing to do with is ridiculous.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I disagree on many levels but hey. Whatever. The mispellings are because I’m on my phone. What exactly does McDonough do to make him a number 1? His defense is good, not great and he has ZERO GOALS AND ZERO OFFENSE. Hands of stone for goodness sake. As far as Kreider goes, when I see him put in an effort like he did in the last period of the last playoff game EVERY SHIFT, then he will be consistent. If ou can do it then you can do it every shift. It’s effort not talent. I also like Buchnevich and he’s gotten the shaft a little but what has he done in two years now? Being this teams most effective forward (which he’s not by the way) means nothing considering we don’t have a single elite offensive player.

McDonagh's on pace for nearly .5PPG. Thats his usual average. Whether a goal goes in the net, thats down to an unlucky SH%. Its fluky. The rest of his offense is there. I'm not going to argue his defense has been great this season, its been very inconsistent, but not a #1D? Complete overreaction. As I said, you can't name 31 D better than him, probably can't even name 20. He's a 1D.

A lot of fans really overanalyze Kreider's consistency. His PPG average improves every season, his net-front play has gotten better, his possession stats have gotten better, his puck retrieval has gotten better. Kreider consistently gets better every season. This other talk is just noise, people have these crazy expectations for Kreider's consistency.

Pretty much all the stats say Buchnevich has been one of our most effective forwards this season. I don't think there's a stat out there that would say otherwise. Last season, his stats were also very good, although they've improved this season. Unless we are dealing with MSG Network narratives that think Fast, Vesey are key players and Buchnevich is some enigmatic PP specialist, I don't know how one could claim he isn't one of our best forwards.

 

[NYR]

Shattenkirk’s job there isn’t to try to take out the player coming in. That’s literally not the job of ANY defenseman in that situation in the NHL.

With numbers back, his job is to try to stay between the puck carrier and the goal.

He did and even forced Smith to the outside.

OK so let me get this straight

The RSD isn't supposed to defend against an opposing FWD coming down the wall?

I'm reading some of the most craziest shit I've ever seen on a hockey forum today but I'm done going back n forth.

Too many babies around here

 

[Mac n Gs]

OK so let me get this straight

The RSD isn't supposed to defend against an opposing FWD coming down the wall?

I'm reading some of the most craziest **** I've ever seen on a hockey forum today but I'm done going back n forth.

Too many babies around here

Yes, the babies, including myself and others on here who have played hockey at varying levels are the babies. It’s definitely not your incorrect analysis of the play

Someone insert the Principal Skinner meme

 

[Rangers in 7]

Watch it again..

i did, i still saw only one person actually playing any kind of defense.....it was shattenkirk btw...

 

[NYR]

Yes, the babies, including myself and others on here who have played hockey at varying levels are the babies. It’s definitely not your incorrect analysis of the play

Someone insert the Principal Skinner meme

Not talking about you but when you're having a hockey convo and instead of someone just disagreeing they say..Let's just disagree and ignore each other forever..Wahh lol

Seems kinda childish to me and I don't care about what level you've played at or been around.

Defense still exists in hockey..

 

[Siddi]

I think you're thinking of eyjee, a good poster.

Multiple personality disorder aside...

 

[haveandare]

I disagree. Hayes has 17 points on pace for 34 as a center. Miller is brain dead 75% of the time. I love Zucc. My favorite Ranger but.....

Hayes I'll give you. I think he's a 3C ideally on a deep team.

Miller scored 56 points last year and is on pace for about the same this year. Bottom six forwards don't score like that.

For Zucc, look up how much he scored the last few years, where that ranks league wide, and who he scored as much as or more than. He's 100% a first line player.

There's this weird Ranger based phenomenon out there where no matter how well a player does, if they're a Ranger they're not good enough, they're not top tier, they're not first line players, they're not "elite" etc. Other fans do it, and our fans do it, too. For example, from 2015 to today, Zucc is 34th in scoring in the league among forwards. That puts him above Barkov, Zetterberg, Ryan Johansen, Toews, Skinner, Staal, Perry, etc. Last year, he was 41st in the league among forwards, above Forsberg, Monahan, Toews, Giroux, Niederreiter, Hall, Perry, MacKinnon, Kopitar, Eberle, Thornton, etc. and within 5 points of Laine, Ehlers, Nylander, Kuznetsov, Gaudreau, etc. That's not a first line player? Come on.

 

[haveandare]

Yes, the babies, including myself and others on here who have played hockey at varying levels are the babies. It’s definitely not your incorrect analysis of the play

Someone insert the Principal Skinner meme

Duh, only kids think Shattenkirk shouldn't have been covering both forwards on both sides of the ice while Skjei and Nieves triple covered someone barely in the zone.

 

[Machinehead]

Not talking about you but when you're having a hockey convo and instead of someone just disagreeing they say..Let's just disagree and ignore each other forever..Wahh lol

Seems kinda childish to me and I don't care about what level you've played at or been around.

Defense still exists in hockey..

It's childish to criticize a play that you know was the correct play because you don't like a player

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Why didn’t he shift to the possible shooter since the passer was already wide?

And everyone was bunched on the passing side anyway.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Why didn’t he shift to the possible shooter since the passer was already wide?

Goddamnit Reg, don’t start

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Goddamnit Reg, don’t start

I like Shatty. Would have made the signing anyday.

I don’t understand the revisionism.

Isn’t it just a demonstrative fact that he’s an ELITE fourth foward?

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I like Shatty. Would have made the signing anyday.

I don’t understand the revisionism.

Isn’t it just a demonstrative fact that he’s an ELITE fourth foward?

Ex. Lundqvist is a potential first ballot HOF goalie, yet he stick handles and passes like some boosted ape.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I like Shatty. Would have made the signing anyday.

I don’t understand the revisionism.

Isn’t it just a demonstrative fact that he’s an ELITE fourth foward?

Well no one is calling him a defensive stalwart here in regards to this play. People are only saying he played Smith properly on that goal

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Well no one is calling him a defensive stalwart here in regards to this play. People are only saying he played Smith properly on that goal

Congrats Shatty!

You were equally useless if not slightly less so than the other 4 fools on that NHL 94 one timer.

 

[NYR]

Duh, only kids think Shattenkirk shouldn't have been covering both forwards on both sides of the ice while Skjei and Nieves triple covered someone barely in the zone.

No where did I post that nonsense but carry on..Wahh lol

 

[Rangers in 7]

Why didn’t he shift to the possible shooter since the passer was already wide?

And everyone was bunched on the passing side anyway.

thats the wrong play, everyone bunched up was not going to play against smith...you never leave the shooter and if he had hed have been in on a breakaway and everyone would be criticizing shatty for a terrible defensive play

in honesty im truly flabbergasted how ANYONE can blame that play on shattenkirk....ive played hockey for 24 years, most of that competitively in juniors and college and in any system against any team shattenkirk played that completely correctly....if he jumps up at the blue line and gets beat hes screwed, you only force the play at the line if you have help behind you (which he didnt i might add)

 

[NYR]

Sorry but you can't let Smith into the zone un-touched.
What is this shadow boxing! Lol

 

[NYR]

thats the wrong play, everyone bunched up was not going to play against smith...you never leave the shooter and if he had hed have been in on a breakaway and everyone would be criticizing shatty for a terrible defensive play

in honesty im truly flabbergasted how ANYONE can blame that play on shattenkirk....ive played hockey for 24 years, most of that competitively in juniors and college and in any system against any team shattenkirk played that completely correctly....if he jumps up at the blue line and gets beat hes screwed, you only force the play at the line if you have help behind you (which he didnt i might add)

Try to put this in perspective instead of you trying to pretend you know what I'm thinking.
I'm NOT blaming Shattenkirk for how the whole play transpired.
I'm blaming him for not taking out his man.
Capisce?!

 

[Rangers in 7]

Try to put this in perspective instead of you trying to pretend you know what I'm thinking.
I'm blaming Shattenkirk for how the whole play transpired.
I'm blaming him for not taking out his man.
Capisce?!

ive gotten to the point where i think your trolling, i get your gripe that you wanted him to step up at the blue line and take out his man a la kronwall 5 years ago but that type of defensive play rarely happens in the nhl. every defensemen is taught to force the man wide away from your net and out of the box which is how the play transpired. i get your thinking now but that doesnt mean hes at fault especially when you have THREE rangers gliding back into the zone puck watching while the eventual goalscorer goes untouched in open ice for a back door goal