New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Dreakmur]

Except he didn't.

That’s what the sarcasm emoji that you cut out was for….

 

[Dekes For Days]

That’s what the sarcasm emoji that you cut out was for….

I didn't cut anything out. You edited that in afterward.

 

[Gabriel426]

ROR likely shouldn't play anywhere lower than 2C in Nashville's lineup. Would that be true as a Leaf? IIRC, Duchene couldn't block his trade to Ottawa and never officially signed a contract with that team. For whatever it may be worth, Hathaway and Acciari are American born players (the latter also didn't have a veto in last season's contract). Discount or not, the hometown player that actually did sign here feels like persona non grata by some of the fanbase at times.

If ROR signs here, play here 2C and JT as a LW or 3C. All these 2C or 3C thing is just mental gymnastics to avoid looking at the problem.
Duchene is not someone I hope Leafs to sign and he never really said anything like Signing with the Leafs, so him not coming here is not an issue. But did Treliving look at him and ask or didn’t even bother or made the call and the player just said NO.
Hathaway and Acciari could sign with the Leafs but they didn’t and I don’t think being American is a factor. It is only a lazy reason for fans to use. Not saying Leafs is not desirable but pretty sure being American and wanting to play in America is not as high a reason as some might think.
Hometown discount or hometown kid coming home is just story, at the end of the day players sign for money, honor(winning Cup), or good environment or other factors.
Now it’s don’t think Preds or Pens are closer to the Cup than the Leafs and Leafs can offer the contracts they signed. The question is why didn’t they signed with the Leafs, esp ROR and Acciari?

 

[OVO16]

Would love to sign Mason Shaw. Fast, physical, feisty. Should come cheap. Would love him as the 4th line center in between Reaves and Lafferty

 

[francis246]

Free agent quality aside, when Ontario-born ROR would rather play for a rebuilding team than take the same term to come back here...that strikes me as an issue.

Failing to convince Ontario-born Duchene to come here (or not pursuing him at all?) is an issue.

Hathaway and Accari were also signed to very reasonable deals for worse teams. Us failing to get in on them is the issue.


When Shanahan came here he said that Ontario guys would come here at a discount. For a while that proved semi-true. Now we can't even sign them at par value.

Duchene did his Canada / Ontario tour already. Also why are we bringing in Duchene if he has character flaw issues?

I think there’s a lot of overreaction to UFA

 

[LeafChief]

Duchene did his Canada / Ontario tour already. Also why are we bringing in Duchene if he has character flaw issues?

I think there’s a lot of overreaction to UFA

A ton.

 

[Sypher04]

Good thing Shanahan blocked Dubas from doing that!

I don’t believe that rumour. For what it’s worth.

That’s what the sarcasm emoji that you cut out was for….

Oh! Just came up as a question mark box on my phone! Good to know you weren’t serious

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I see Comtois getting a contract similar to Mcleod's deal 1.4, we can squeeze it. Domi will be tough, but Murray dump is ineviteble.

As for Shaw, I just l love the energy he brings despite his size.

I think McLeod gave Jersey a hometown discount. Not sure Comtois would do the same here when he has other opportunities, and special teams time would be hard to come by.

I think we need to give Robertson a legit shot, and we have McMann as a guy somewhat similar to Comtois for less than half the cap hit who can be that insurance in case Robertson gets hurt. What we do need is another PKer, and a PP guy who can play center. Comtois fits neither category... And in fact, his spot on the PP is pretty much the same as Knies'.

I also want more speed in the bottom 6 and while Comtois is not slow, Robertson and McMann are both faster.

Robertson/McMann - Domi/Patrick - Reaves
Shaw/AJF/Nosek - Kampf - Lafferty
McMann

I am not going to pretend like it is perfect, but it works about as well as we are going to get it with an inflexible guy like Reaves in the lineup. That 4th line especially, if we are going with Shaw/AJF, would have a ton of counterattacking ability.

 

[Leaffan1991]

I really believe going hard for Bert and Domi is the way to go and then trading Nylander for a top D man.

 

[Tob]

A lot of this is context. If the Canes signed Klingberg to a 1X4.15M deal to continue their asset-smart replacement of DeAngelo/Ghostisbehere/Hamilton, then this would be a savvy move to boost the PP etc for a 3rd pairing PP specialist.

From an outsider's POV, Leafs land has been pursuing this solid defense first team building for many years now so Klingberg signing is being evaluated against those metrics. If Keefe deploys Klingberg as he should and shelters him then it's a perfectly okay signing, term and hit wise. It may not be the priority in the eyes of a lot of people but it was to Shanny and Treliving.

This feels like a VAN/NYI situation where the Canucks have tons of mid level wingers and cannot wait to get rid of them and sees no value in any winger around the league but NYI having been starved for talent to pair with Barzal, every 2nd line winger is game changing (Debrincat).

I don't know the leafs defense but maybe speed and skill is lacking? That's my guess for why there's suddenly a paradigm shift under Treliving. I can't imagine Dubas making this signing with the last of the off season's cap strictly from an optics/team building standpoint. He'd be roasted for getting his priorities wrong.

 

[Dreakmur]

I don’t believe that rumour. For what it’s worth.



Oh! Just came up as a question mark box on my phone! Good to know you weren’t serious

I believe Knies was part of that trade about as much as I believe Shanahan blocked it.

 

[Stephen]

Good thing Shanahan blocked Dubas from doing that!

I wonder how we'd feel with Graves, Ned and Jarry locked up...

 

[Buds17]

If ROR signs here, play here 2C and JT as a LW or 3C. All these 2C or 3C thing is just mental gymnastics to avoid looking at the problem.
Duchene is not someone I hope Leafs to sign and he never really said anything like Signing with the Leafs, so him not coming here is not an issue. But did Treliving look at him and ask or didn’t even bother or made the call and the player just said NO.
Hathaway and Acciari could sign with the Leafs but they didn’t and I don’t think being American is a factor. It is only a lazy reason for fans to use. Not saying Leafs is not desirable but pretty sure being American and wanting to play in America is not as high a reason as some might think.
Hometown discount or hometown kid coming home is just story, at the end of the day players sign for money, honor(winning Cup), or good environment or other factors.
Now it’s don’t think Preds or Pens are closer to the Cup than the Leafs and Leafs can offer the contracts they signed. The question is why didn’t they signed with the Leafs, esp ROR and Acciari?

For obvious reasons, we don't hear much at all about American born players refusing to play for American based teams. Conversely, Canadian born players don't always wish to join or stay on Canadian based teams. ROR's departure for NSH might have been due to the team's inability to make adjustments, whereas the circumstances involving Acciari's signing with PIT appear to be closer to the unknown. At the end of the day, only the players involved know why they signed where they did and what they value the most in order to make such a decision.

 

[Mess]

Lou drained the prospect pool and never re-filled it,

This is Lou Lam draining the prospect pool making 18 selections which is 4 more then the standard 14 (7rounds X 2 drafts)

With Matthews, Liljegren and Woll all expected to key parts on Treliving team going forward.

 

[PromoterDave]

I wonder if a Murray for Henrique deal would work. Both players are UFA's after this season, except Henrique makes around 5.8 mil.

Henrique Matthews Marner
Jarnkrok Tavares Nylander
Knies Kampf Lafferty
Robertson Holmberg Reaves

Rielly Klingberg
McCabe Brodie
Giordano Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

Timmins

 

[Mess]

I wonder how we'd feel with Graves, Ned and Jarry locked up...

You can't help but laugh at Dubios ability to judge goaltenders.

Here is a comparison of last year results of past decisions compared to his new batch for the Pens.

He is simply clueless at this. We should send him Murray to upgrade in net.

 

[Dreakmur]

I wonder if a Murray for Henrique deal would work. Both players are UFA's after this season, except Henrique makes around 5.8 mil.

Henrique Matthews Marner
Jarnkrok Tavares Nylander
Knies Kampf Lafferty
Robertson Holmberg Reaves

Rielly Klingberg
McCabe Brodie
Giordano Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

Timmins

Why does Anaheim do this? We’d definitely have to add.

 

[Gabriel426]

For obvious reasons, we don't hear much at all about American born players refusing to play for American based teams. Conversely, Canadian born players don't always wish to join or stay on Canadian based teams. ROR's departure for NSH might have been due to the team's inability to make adjustments, whereas the circumstances involving Acciari's signing with PIT appear to be closer to the unknown. At the end of the day, only the players involved know why they signed where they did and what they value the most in order to make such a decision.

No question about it, but one must wonder why players prefer other teams than their team, if it is not money or term.
Could be the city itself, could be family, could be they just want longer summer thus prefer non playoffs teams, could be a lot of stuff, but it also could be locker room environment or the fact that they know the expectations is to win the Cup but the core guys are not as good as they think and won’t work hard enough to achieve the goals.
Or it just could be that they don’t like playing in a City with the TO medias.
Nomatter the reason, it shows that the current Leafs can’t attract the right players to play for them.

 

[andora]

As lomg as they are 1 year deals they can sign anyone they want - i dont think it matters this season

As soom as you start talking multi year and mid money its pointless.. these players are not good enough to be termed.. its called patience.

1 year deals only.. next two years are practice anyway

 

[Squiffy]

Don’t know where everyone is at here, going to guess underwhelming day 1 leaves lots of questions.

Guys that left.. only one I’d have paid the money to, maybe, was 4.5 for RoR. Was hoping to keep Eraser, but 2.75? No, good luck Cool Hand.

Work in progress. Well, ok. Waiting Bundy.

 

[Amadeus]

IIRC, when did we not have underwhelming FA opening days with Dubas?

And he hasn't done anything earth shattering in signing Eller, Acciari etc.

 

[Kiwi]

I was just playing around on cap friendly

If we can get rid of Murray and his entire cap hit we would have plenty of money to add an impact player or two even after we resigned Samsonov

That money is to valuable not to free up

 

[Americanadian]

Nightmare first day of UFA for Treliving. I miss Dubas.

Edit: draft day was bad too.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Pesce + Jarvis for Nylander

Sign them both before the season starts and their point totals are inflated

 

[kb]

Hear me out on this.....how about the framework of a deal centered around Matt Murray for Conor Garland? Vancouver has been actively shopping him and the 3 years left on his deal and couldn't give it away. That gets the Canucks a veteran backup to Demko, and the Leafs some scoring depth since they spent $8 million on 3 bottom of the lineup players totaling 22 G. The Leafs gamble on Garland's upside.