New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[ToneDog]

Ok, I'd give Treliving a B- today.
Kerfoot gone, yay
Holl gone, yay
Schenn gone, meh
ROR gone, meh
Bunting gone, meh
(the meh indicates they were all grossly overpaid in free agency, got too much term, too old, etc.)
Klingberg is only a one year deal, he may work out, who knows. Neutral, probably ok.
The negatives:
Kampf, too long and too much
Reaves, totally inexplicable.

Even though neither of Kampf or Reaves makes sense, they are not cap killing, Kampf is an overpay but not huge, Reaves can almost be totaly buried in the minors.

Can you imagine signing Engvall to a 7 year deal? or Kerfoot 2 times 3.5?
Or that genius Yzerman signing Holl to a 3 year deal at 3.4? Almost as good as his Chariot signing. What on earth is he thinking?

For all of the moans and missed opportunities, much of the free agency concerns come from GM's killing their teams with really bad contracts.

We haven't.

The real grading will come with the Matthews and Nylander signings, or lack thereof.


People discount that Toronto is not the top location for a player like Acciari who is American, and ROR can beef all he wants, but I am sure him wanting to escape the spotlight in Toronto and just take it easy and retire with diminished capacity in Nashville drew him away.

Agree 100% except I think you are being generous with your grade for Tre. Most of the posters on this board would not have paid our UFAs what they got and not signed Reaves or Klingberg.

The jury is still out on Tre for me. He still has a lot of work to do to fill out the lineup.

 

[Thornbury]

It includes the amount they scored for our team not including what they did before the deadline. We lost 55 alone from just Bunting, Engvall, Kerfoot, and ZAR. Matthews rebounding will/would definitely help but we still need to add atleast 1 more top 6 forward

So those 55 goals represent almost 4 full seasons played by those 4 guys (Engvall just 58 games, but the others 82, 82 and 77), or an average of 14 goals each. We're not talking Richard trophy candidates here. We certainly need Knies and / or Robertson to hit

 

[Hellcat]

Sandin is an enforcer on this blue line, awful trade and it looks even worse with the dogshit this dummy is bringing in.

Sandin is and was dogshit, romanticizing what he was is not honest, we all saw the mess he was last year and the mess he became to end the season in Washington was proof positive trading him was the correct move.

Have you ever tried drinking out of a water hose ?? Great quote by Treliving.

Yep. Quite a f-ing mess Dubas created.

 

[Macallan18]

Agree 100% except I think you are being generous with your grade for Tre. Most of the posters on this board would not have paid our UFAs what they got and not signed Reaves or Klingberg.

The jury is still out on Tre for me. He still has a lot of work to do to fill out the lineup.

Fair enough. B- for me because there are no crippling mistakes made, maybe C + is more accurate!!

 

[Stand Witness]

Put me in the camp of evaluating this roster to the pre TDL roster.

Also the fact that ROR, Schenn and Accari had a combined cap hit of 3.975M which is less than ROR cap hit alone and just a bit more than Schenn got alone.

Of course we weren’t going to retain all these guys lol. Everyone who left got a pay raise.

 

[ToneDog]

Love to get Bertuzzi but wondering whether Tank could be part of the solution or is he a bad apple ?

 

[Erndog]

Guessing twitter is still messed for a bunch of you?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Love to get Bertuzzi but wondering whether Tank could be part of the solution or is he a bad apple ?

Tarasenko?

He's fine but he's a shoulder injury away from his career being over.

 

[Hellcat]

Reaves, totally inexplicable.

Even though neither of Kampf or Reaves makes sense, they are not cap killing, Kampf is an overpay but not huge, Reaves can almost be totaly buried in the minors.

Tre made a comment Saturday that I thought stood out, he said we have a really quiet group here. I was trying to parse that comment into real speak and not GM speak. If you take into context the moves that have been made to bring in glue guys Marleau, Jumbo, Spezza, ROR, Accari, Schenn, all guys who are well respected know for the glue factor they bring, the vets have gravatas. I don't want to read too much in this but I think Reaves is more for what he does in the locker room vs on the ice, he's going to bring 8 minutes a night of insignificant hockey. I don't think I'm reading too much into it when you consider all of the types of players we have brought in, that we have high end talent with shitty chemistry, this is why Reaves was brough in, his goal is not to punch faces but to unite this team.

Kampf makes a lot of sense, although he does not drive offence, he supresses the opponents offence, he gets the shiitiest type of ATOI, PK and defending against the best of the best. I personally like defence, its boring as F, but if you can dictate the flow of the game through defence, you tend to give yourself a better chance of winning. Last year i never really thought we dictated the game as much as it was a race to score the most goals. I would love to see another 2 or 3 high end shut down forwards (like Kampft) signed and a top 6 winger on a value contract to round out this roster.

 

[Hellcat]

Love to get Bertuzzi but wondering whether Tank could be part of the solution or is he a bad apple ?

His injury history is really concerning and considering the comments he had about Canada and their vaccine policy, I doubt he is going to sign up here and risk being forced to get a vaccine if we have another break out.

I would sign him just to see him wear this wife beater and watch the Toronto news media go apeshit...

Tarasenko?

He's fine but he's a shoulder injury away from his career being over.

Sounds like he is headed to Ottawa...

 

[SprDaVE]

There are still quite a few options out there, even if we strike out on Bertuzzi. It's going to be tough to fit him in but it can work.

I wouldn't rush to sign Domi either. I think he wants the Leafs with term but I definitely don't over term/spend on him here.

I am still shocked we weren't able to sign Garnet Hathaway. He seemed like a good fit based on quite a few things.

 

[The Masters]

If Tre strikes out on Bertuzzi, he's going to get Domi

 

[fahad203]

Tre made a comment Saturday that I thought stood out, he said we have a really quiet group here. I was trying to parse that comment into real speak and not GM speak. If you take into context the moves that have been made to bring in glue guys Marleau, Jumbo, Spezza, ROR, Accari, Schenn, all guys who are well respected know for the glue factor they bring, the vets have gravatas. I don't want to read too much in this but I think Reaves is more for what he does in the locker room vs on the ice, he's going to bring 8 minutes a night of insignificant hockey. I don't think I'm reading too much into it when you consider all of the types of players we have brought in, that we have high end talent with shitty chemistry, this is why Reaves was brough in, his goal is not to punch faces but to unite this team.

Kampf makes a lot of sense, although he does not drive offence, he supresses the opponents offence, he gets the shiitiest type of ATOI, PK and defending against the best of the best. I personally like defence, its boring as F, but if you can dictate the flow of the game through defence, you tend to give yourself a better chance of winning. Last year i never really thought we dictated the game as much as it was a race to score the most goals. I would love to see another 2 or 3 high end shut down forwards (like Kampft) signed and a top 6 winger on a value contract to round out this roster.

Kampf is a decent player but still 500k and 2 year too much. For a 4th liner he's not handful enough, he's not difficult to play against.

You can't just be a defensive specialist in today's game. You have to bring a bit more
He doesn't really hit, he doesn't really attack. At least not in playoffs

He's too quiet to be a 4th liner. His defensive game stands out more because he has no offensive game.

Still a good player, just not a player you want to be on 4th line for 2.4. That's steep
Accirari went for 2 million. Not the same type of player, but we needed Acciari more
Acciari is also a center

 

[613Leafer]

Pius Suter still out there? Maybe not the sexiest name, but Suter,-Kampf as our bottom 6 centres instead of Kampf-Holmberg seems like it would be a good thing.

Scoring wingers - Bertuzzi and Domi are the obvious names. Bertuzzi probably only makes sense capwise if we're moving Nylander. What about Rodrigues? I think he's still available and should be decently cheap.

On the blueline, we could theoretically leave it as is, but I'd like a big bodied defensive player if possible. Not much left out there though - Nemeth?

 

[fahad203]

There are still quite a few options out there, even if we strike out on Bertuzzi. It's going to be tough to fit him in but it can work.

I wouldn't rush to sign Domi either. I think he wants the Leafs with term but I definitely don't over term/spend on him here.

I am still shocked we weren't able to sign Garnet Hathaway. He seemed like a good fit based on quite a few things.

With Domi it all comes down to term. If he can get something like John Klinberg(still LOL) then I'll be fine. He needs to get 1 to 2 year. He can be a decent Bunting replacement

Bertuzzi is obviously waiting to hit grandslam. I wonder who else would be running for him.
Does Vegas have any money left? Florida?

I wouldn't mind Tarasenko on one year contract as well. He can be a decent depth player
He didn't do that well in Rangers but playing for Gallant is no easy task

Pius Suter still out there? Maybe not the sexiest name, but Suter,-Kampf as our bottom 6 centres instead of Kampf-Holmberg seems like it would be a good thing.

Scoring wingers - Bertuzzi and Domi are the obvious names. Bertuzzi probably only makes sense capwise if we're moving Nylander. What about Rodrigues? I think he's still available and should be decently cheap.

On the blueline, we could theoretically leave it as is, but I'd like a big bodied defensive player if possible. Not much left out there though - Nemeth?

John Klingberg is 6'3 everyday

 

[Future]

Can’t believe how badly Dubas f***ed this team. Just completely mortgaged the future and left. Signed boat anchors like Mrazek and Murray - one after the other.

No clue how fans still revere that guy. He f***ed us.

Can’t even afford Bertuzzi and Domi. Have to pick one and look in the bargain bin on D.

 

[SprDaVE]

Pius Suter still out there? Maybe not the sexiest name, but Suter,-Kampf as our bottom 6 centres instead of Kampf-Holmberg seems like it would be a good thing.

Scoring wingers - Bertuzzi and Domi are the obvious names. Bertuzzi probably only makes sense capwise if we're moving Nylander. What about Rodrigues? I think he's still available and should be decently cheap.

On the blueline, we could theoretically leave it as is, but I'd like a big bodied defensive player if possible. Not much left out there though - Nemeth?

Suter and Rodrigues would be pretty good targets. Suter is a "soft" speedy winger but he's really good for what he is.

Rodrigues I think would fit better what the Leafs would target. He's got average size but he's aggressive and works hard, very good defensively and can chip in 15-20 ish goals. HE'S FROM TORONTO... Could be a good match.

I don't think the Leafs can sign any quality defenseman. They are pretty locked up there after Klingberg. I would sign someone like Bear as he recovers from surgery for depth and see how he does when healthy.

 

[fahad203]

Can’t believe how badly Dubas f***ed this team. Just completely mortgaged the future and left. Signed boat anchors like Mrazek and Murray - one after the other.

No clue how fans still revere that guy. He f***ed us.

Can’t even afford Bertuzzi and Domi. Have to pick one and look in the bargain bin on D.

If it makes you feel any better he just signed Jarry to 5 years extension at 5.75
Pens fans are absolutely disgusted

We gonna have to pay for his 'out of the box thinking' for a while.

Suter and Rodrigues would be pretty good targets. Suter is a "soft" speed winger but he's really good for what he is.

Rodrigues I think would fit better what the Leafs would target. He's got average size but he's aggressive and works hard, very good defensively and can chip in 15-20 ish goals. HE'S FROM TORONTO... It should be an easy signing to me.

Evan Rod is going to ask for 3.5. He has more goals than Kerfoot and Kampf
Possibly a 4 year deal. I can't see us fitting that in

 

[SprDaVE]

If it makes you feel any better he just signed Jarry to 5 years extension at 5.75
Pens fans are absolutely disgusted

We gonna have to pay for his 'out of the box thinking' for a while.


Evan Rod is going to ask for 3.5. He has more goals than Kerfoot and Kampf
Possibly a 4 year deal. I can't see us fitting that in

I'd give Rodrigues at most 2-3 years at 3M ish. Seems more than fine. He played very well for Colorado last year.

The more we get into the off-season, the more some of these deals will be cheap. Some players are gonna get squeezed.

 

[SprDaVE]

That's a cheap one.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If it makes you feel any better he just signed Jarry to 5 years extension at 5.75
Pens fans are absolutely disgusted

We gonna have to pay for his 'out of the box thinking' for a while.


Evan Rod is going to ask for 3.5. He has more goals than Kerfoot and Kampf
Possibly a 4 year deal. I can't see us fitting that in

Kinda wonder if you can grab Rodrigues for 2 years around 2.5-2.75M now...

That's a cheap one.

Makes me think we have some irons in the fire but things are *tight* for our cap.

 

[fahad203]

Kinda wonder if you can grab Rodrigues for 2 years around 2.5-2.75M now...



Makes me think we have some irons in the fire but things are *tight* for our cap.

I really can't see how you sign him to a 2.5 year a contract when we are paying Kampf 2.4
Rod has had 19 goals the year before and 16 this year with 40 points

That's 4x the output of Kampf. I am sure his agent will remind anyone on the Leafs brass of that

I would love for that to happen, signign him to a 3 year deal for 2.5. But he's 29(30 in july) , he's looking for a last good contract.

I can easily see Tampa taking a fly on him after losing Killron and Colton

 

[SprDaVE]

Kinda wonder if you can grab Rodrigues for 2 years around 2.5-2.75M now...



Makes me think we have some irons in the fire but things are *tight* for our cap.

Not taking care of Murray and Samsonov kinda makes things muddy for sure.

If we read between the lines, seems like defensively the Leafs are likely done but they really need to add scoring. Whether it's 1 big scorer or a few depth scorers, we'll see.

 

[fahad203]

Isn't Patrick Kane a FA?

what's his asking price for 1 year deal?

 

[ToneDog]

Can’t believe how badly Dubas f***ed this team. Just completely mortgaged the future and left. Signed boat anchors like Mrazek and Murray - one after the other.

No clue how fans still revere that guy. He f***ed us.

Can’t even afford Bertuzzi and Domi. Have to pick one and look in the bargain bin on D.

3 lousy draft picks, 6 UFAs walk, 34 and 88 to sign, NMCs kicking in, a declining $11m #2C, an $11m winger who is afraid of his shadow come April, an RFA starter to resign, Matt Murray to dump, and Tre needs to go dumpster diving to fill out the lineup because our prospect pool has little to offer.

And the Pens promote him.