New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Mess]

Going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

 

[Metroid]

Day two come on down!
Biggest highlight in day one was the epic Eikon battle I had in the first

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in Final Fantasy VXI

 

[New Liskeard]

Haven't seen it mentioned yet. Tampa did not get better; same can be said about Boston. Even if their two centers come back which is highly unlikely, they wont have both goal tenders.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

"The Leafs aren’t done shopping yet.

As of late Saturday night, they were showing interest in forward Max Domi. The son of long-time Leaf Tie Domi is coming off a solid season with 20 goals and 56 points but had seen the market shift away from him.

They were also among the teams engaging with Tyler Bertuzzi, although sources felt he was most likely to land somewhere else."

Bertuzzi almost certainly will sign with an American team IMO.

seems like it's Domi or bust at this point outside of maybe some smaller moves unless there is a trade

 

[Mess]

Well first off I don't expect Murray to stick around, not sure if they can clear his full contract but I'd expect a portion of it gone in some way. Leafs currently have 6M of cap space with Muzzin's LTIR contract.

CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES

: $6,068,550​

If the Leafs were in on Bertuzzi, they probably have a good idea to be able to fit him in and then re-sign Samsonov as well, which I suspect will be around 3M or so.

It doesn't sound like Bertuzzi will be signing with the Leafs anymore though so it's all moot.

Its said that Treliving in very active and "in on everything" but I take that more as being very proactive on the phone and doing more research then real contract interest. I agree with that process on making lots of calls to make sure you don't miss out on things and also help you judge your own offers based on market prices. Trevling calling the Bertuzzi agent to guage is perhaps as far as that went. His agent might be declaring numerous teams have called.

But I was speaking more in terms of Cap hit $ and term and that goes beyond just LTIR for Muzz for 1 year or trading Murray a 1 year contract relief all for next year only.

Leafs have to re-sign Matthews, Nylander and Marner still with $$ unknown so anything you would sign a player like Bertuzzi to today on term also has to be considered in 2024-25 (when AM and WN are due) and 2025-26 (Marner). So much uncertainty involved in their future contracts that must be budgeted for TODAY and beyond.

Besides with Bertuzzi holding out that would suggest either he isn't getting his ask and waiting, or he has multiple offers based on interest and his price is going up and he going to get a rich contract. For it to fit the Leafs it be better to simply offer him a 1 year deal at $6.5 mil then consider something like 5 X $5.5 mil all things considered.

Does Leaf Nation really want Treliving to try and outbid others and bring him in with both high cost and term?

As far as I concerned If Leafs were going to blow their own Cap Hell sky high, then it would have been better served offering ROR more money (4 X $4.5 mil) to stay outbidding Nashville instead of offering even more than that to secure Bertuzzi..

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Is it possible that this team got worst offensively and defensively.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This is Lou Lam draining the prospect pool making 18 selections which is 4 more then the standard 14 (7rounds X 2 drafts)

For the record, a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th were acquired for those years by somebody other than Lou. He was also able to pick up a 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th in those years specifically because we were tanking the prior year. So it's not exactly the picture you're trying to paint. You pick up a lot of draft picks when you're in a rebuild and tanking.

His draining of the prospect pool was when he shifted everybody from prospect onto the main team at once, and gave away half the rest. His failure to replenish it came from taking that abundance of draft picks he had from previous GMs and the rebuild, spending some of them (1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd), keeping everybody as own rentals in our early years, and drafting poorly.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Can’t believe how badly Dubas f***ed this team. Just completely mortgaged the future and left. Signed boat anchors like Mrazek and Murray - one after the other.

No clue how fans still revere that guy. He f***ed us.

Can’t even afford Bertuzzi and Domi. Have to pick one and look in the bargain bin on D.

I like the fact it looks like having a bit of flexibility cap wise for later in the season seems to be on the cards. We are not just spending every single last cent. Pridham probably appreciates that too.

 

[Menzinger]

Hear me out on this.....how about the framework of a deal centered around Matt Murray for Conor Garland? Vancouver has been actively shopping him and the 3 years left on his deal and couldn't give it away. That gets the Canucks a veteran backup to Demko, and the Leafs some scoring depth since they spent $8 million on 3 bottom of the lineup players totaling 22 G. The Leafs gamble on Garland's upside.

There's a logic to it. But I don't like that Garland has three years of term left.

I think I'd rather just try and dump Murray, even if it costs something, and use the capspace in free agency

 

[SeaOfBlue]

There's a logic to it. But I don't like that Garland has three years of term left.

I think I'd rather just try and dump Murray, even if it costs something, and use the capspace in free agency

I would probably prefer Garland over paying Bertuzzi what he wants, but yeah... We kind of need a center version of Garland if we were going to do something like that.

Or we need to move Jarnkrok too.

 

[SprDaVE]

Its said that Treliving in very active and "in on everything" but I take that more as being very proactive on the phone and doing more research then real contract interest. I agree with that process on making lots of calls to make sure you don't miss out on things and also help you judge your own offers based on market prices. Trevling calling the Bertuzzi agent to guage is perhaps as far as that went.

But I was speaking more in terms of Cap hit $ and term and that goes beyond just LTIR for Muzz for 1 year or trading Murray a 1 year contract relief all for next year only.

Leafs have to re-sign Matthews, Nylander and Marner still with $$ unknown so anything you would sign a player like Bertuzzi to today on term also has to be considered in 2024-25 (when AM and WN are due) and 2025-26 (Marner). So much uncertainty involved in their future contracts that must be budgeted for TODAY and beyond.

Besides with Bertuzzi holding out that would suggest either he isn't getting his ask and waiting, or he has multiple offers based on interest and his price is going up and he going to get a rich contract. For it to fit the Leafs it be better to simply offer him a 1 year deal at $6.5 mil then consider something like 5 X $5.5 mil all things considered.

Does Leaf Nation really want Treliving to try and outbid others and bring him in with both high cost and term?

As far as I concerned If Leafs were going to blow their own Cap Hell sky high, then it would have been better served offering ROR more money (4 X $4.5 mil) to stay outbidding Nashville instead of offering even more than that to secure Bertuzzi..

Bertuzzi has a lot more upside to his game than ROR. He showed how good he can be as a complimentary skilled player. He's fearless and he's really good around the net. The one red flag with Bertuzzi is staying healthy.

The problem is that I don't see how he takes less than Killorn took with Anaheim (4x6.25M) so that's probably the issue with being able to sign Bertuzzi.

 

[Dreakmur]

so, so far we've lost 76 goals of our roster and replaced it 15 so far.... thats 61 goals short. Even if u wanna pencil in Knies and Robertson for around 30 (maybe that's modest) that still leaves us 31 goals short from last year. There's gotta be more moves to make yet, can't see the Tam rolling out with the forward core they got right now.

That’s always going to happen when you go all-in and finish the season with 9 UFAs on the roster. We didn’t have the cap space to retain them all, even if they wanted to stay and we wanted to keep them.

 

[Mess]

How could the Leafs possibly make this work cap wise without a large contract going out?

 

[BTP]

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How could the Leafs possibly make this work cap wise without a large contract going out?

Nylander aint coming back, so thats a start

 

[Menzinger]

There's zero chance Muzzin is coming back - so it's safe to presume that LTIR money is freed up. If Samsonov signs in the range that I think he will (about 3 mil), the Leafs have about 3 mil to spend on a forward if they get rid of Murray they obviously have more.

I'm curious what Treliving plans to do with Lily/Timmins. Seems like one could potentially be sent out in a trade

I would probably prefer Garland over paying Bertuzzi what he wants, but yeah... We kind of need a center version of Garland if we were going to do something like that.

Or we need to move Jarnkrok too.

I don't have a ton of interest in Burtuzzi either. I'd be curious just how cheap someone like Domi could be had.

 

[Mess]

Bertuzzi has a lot more upside to his game than ROR. He showed how good he can be as a complimentary skilled player. He's fearless and he's really good around the net. The one red flag with Bertuzzi is staying healthy.

The problem is that I don't see how he takes less than Killorn took with Anaheim (4x6.25M) so that's probably the issue with being able to sign Bertuzzi.

Boston a fellow Atlantic rival that traded assets for him are walking away over price and term. He would know for sure $$ and term.

Tyler Bertuzzi remains unsigned, Don Sweeney says Bruins out of mix​

Free agent Tyler Bertuzzi still hadn’t signed anywhere as of Saturday, but when he does it won’t be in Boston according to GM Don Sweeney.

Speaking to the media after the first day of free agency, the Bruins general manager admitted he really hoped to bring Bertuzzi back. But Sweeney admitted there wasn’t enough salary cap flexibility available to make it happen.

“It’s all the factors. The term that he’s rightfully probably earned. The AAV that he’s seeking. There are other teams in that may be in position to provide that we probably weren’t,” Sweeney said. “He’s going to land in a really good spot for he and his family. We wish him luck. He was a great piece of our puzzle. We would dearly like to have brought him back and extended him.”

 

[Dreakmur]

How many people had the Florida defence rated as Stanley Cup worthy?

Nobody, and their shitty blueline is the main reason they lost to Vegas…

 

[MAB1]

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How could the Leafs possibly make this work cap wise without a large contract going out?

Rielly +

Sharks gets a 1D who can be a young vet for their team as they rebuild, Leafs get Rielly on steroids. And at $7 million they can even retain on Rielly and trade him for a haul.

 

[OVO16]

Considering Treliving thought we needed offense on the back end, I don't see us trading LIlegeren.

Replacing Giordano with someone like Zadorov would be ideal however

There's zero chance Muzzin is coming back - so it's safe to presume that LTIR money is freed up. If Samsonov signs in the range that I think he will (about 3 mil), the Leafs have about 3 mil to spend on a forward if they get rid of Murray they obviously have more.

I'm curious what Treliving plans to do with Lily/Timmins. Seems like one could potentially be sent out in a trade



I don't have a ton of interest in Burtuzzi either. I'd be curious just how cheap someone like Domi could be had

 

[Menzinger]

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How could the Leafs possibly make this work cap wise without a large contract going out?

Have the Sharks retain about a million or so, include Murray in the deal and then trade Brodie to another team in a separate trade (unless the Sharks want him)

I don't see it happening though

 

[WTFMAN99]

Rielly +

Sharks gets a 1D who can be a young vet for their team as they rebuild, Leafs get Rielly on steroids. And at $7 million they can even retain on Rielly and trade him for a haul.

Karlsson and Klingberg on the same team.

Train wreck waiting to happening...

 

[Buds17]

Hear me out on this.....how about the framework of a deal centered around Matt Murray for Conor Garland? Vancouver has been actively shopping him and the 3 years left on his deal and couldn't give it away. That gets the Canucks a veteran backup to Demko, and the Leafs some scoring depth since they spent $8 million on 3 bottom of the lineup players totaling 22 G. The Leafs gamble on Garland's upside.

I'm at least open to this idea now considering the need that obviously exists for scoring/forward help. I'd likely still prefer to first explore other options that add a F and subtract Murray while not adding to the cap if possible though.

 

[MAB1]

Karlsson and Klingberg on the same team.

Train wreck waiting to happening...

Rielly and Klingberg on the same team isn't better if at all LMFAO

Playoff Rielly isn't who you'll see for 82 games next season. Schenn isn't here either.

 

[andora]

With what is available i dont really see the point in trying to find a right solution.. cause it aint there this year

Add another couple of cheap plugs and play the kids.. practice for 25/26

 

[TMLegend]

Karlsson and Klingberg on the same team.

Train wreck waiting to happening...

Would be entertaining though... At both ends of the ice...