New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Rude Dog]

And you guys are not concerned by the fact that Tre seems to be failing at convincing absolutely anyone decent to sign here, including our own UFAs? Including Canadian players?

We're a contender in a major market. Yet we're losing UFAs to Flyers, Penguins, Nashville. Non-contenders.

I woke up thinking the exact same thing. The role of used car salesman is a huge part of being a GM on any team. They have to get guys to buy in and believe they will be part of something special.

 

[Rude Dog]

Further to that. People have to stop wishing for a Marner or Mathews trade. Yesterday proves we can’t come close to replacing them. Our lineup got thin in a hurry with them still in it. Imagine it without them.

Hoping the young guys can step up to offset what we lost yesterday. But they need to replace Bunting in FA.

 

[Duffman955]

Team looks a lot worse so far.

Out: ROR, Schenn, Holl, Kerfoot, Bunting

In: Reaves, Klinberg

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Hear me out on this.....how about the framework of a deal centered around Matt Murray for Conor Garland? Vancouver has been actively shopping him and the 3 years left on his deal and couldn't give it away. That gets the Canucks a veteran backup to Demko, and the Leafs some scoring depth since they spent $8 million on 3 bottom of the lineup players totaling 22 G. The Leafs gamble on Garland's upside.

Jarnrkok - Kampf - Garland would be a solid shutdown line with offense

 

[Jacquestrapless]

So this line-up is doable under CapFriendly

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Knies - Tavares - Jarvis
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Garland
Reaves - Holmberg - Lafferty

Rielly - Pesce
McCabe - Klingberg
Zadorov - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins

Samsonov
Woll

Sign bertuzzi for $5.5m

Traded Nylander for Pesce + Jarvis

Traded Matt Murray for Garland

Traded Brodie for Zadorov or Brodie for futures, then swapped for Zadorov

Sign Samsonov for $3.5m

Still got $99K in capspace

If Bertuzzi wants $6m, likely have to drop one of the bottom pairing D. If he doesn't come here, well, Comtois could be a reclamation project

 

[Dreakmur]

Hear me out on this.....how about the framework of a deal centered around Matt Murray for Conor Garland? Vancouver has been actively shopping him and the 3 years left on his deal and couldn't give it away. That gets the Canucks a veteran backup to Demko, and the Leafs some scoring depth since they spent $8 million on 3 bottom of the lineup players totaling 22 G. The Leafs gamble on Garland's upside.

Not a huge Garland fan, but he’s a 50 point guy who has speed and works pretty hard on offense. He’s probably not far from being worth his contract - Vancouver is just in such a horrible cap situation.

I’d actually do this…

 

[Dreakmur]

So this line-up is doable under CapFriendly

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Knies - Tavares - Jarvis
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Garland
Reaves - Holmberg - Lafferty

Rielly - Pesce
McCabe - Klingberg
Zadorov - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins

Samsonov
Woll

Sign bertuzzi for $5.5m

Traded Nylander for Pesce + Jarvis

Traded Matt Murray for Garland

Traded Brodie for Zadorov or Brodie for futures, then swapped for Zadorov

Sign Samsonov for $3.5m

Still got $99K in capspace

If Bertuzzi wants $6m, likely have to drop one of the bottom pairing D. If he doesn't come here, well, Comtois could be a reclamation project

I like the Brodie for Zadorov swap.

Biggest challenge in trading Nylander is it has to come with a contract extension. You won’t get close to full value otherwise. Carolina isn’t giving him the money he wants.

 

[horner]

I like the Brodie for Zadorov swap.

Biggest challenge in trading Nylander is it has to come with a contract extension. You won’t get close to full value otherwise. Carolina isn’t giving him the money he wants.

No one will give him 10 mil
9 mil at the most

 

[Dreakmur]

No one will give him 10 mil
9 mil at the most

Maybe the best thing to do with Nylander is look for a trade and let his agent start negotiating with other teams. Either we find a trade partner or they find out the money he wants isn’t really out there. Seems like a win-win.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

so, so far we've lost 76 goals of our roster and replaced it 15 so far.... thats 61 goals short. Even if u wanna pencil in Knies and Robertson for around 30 (maybe that's modest) that still leaves us 31 goals short from last year. There's gotta be more moves to make yet, can't see the Tam rolling out with the forward core they got right now.

 

[Leaffan1991]

So this line-up is doable under CapFriendly

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Knies - Tavares - Jarvis
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Garland
Reaves - Holmberg - Lafferty

Rielly - Pesce
McCabe - Klingberg
Zadorov - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins

Samsonov
Woll

Sign bertuzzi for $5.5m

Traded Nylander for Pesce + Jarvis

Traded Matt Murray for Garland

Traded Brodie for Zadorov or Brodie for futures, then swapped for Zadorov

Sign Samsonov for $3.5m

Still got $99K in capspace

If Bertuzzi wants $6m, likely have to drop one of the bottom pairing D. If he doesn't come here, well, Comtois could be a reclamation project

That's a great lineup all around

 

[Hellcat]

Three soft unphysical D men. Quite literally the last thing anyone wanted this off season. Am I in a dream, because it really sucks.

Honestly, I feel this might be it for me with this team, what in the actual f*** is going on. We’re a worse team.

As it stands today, yes we are a worse team. Tre told us with out telling us that he is focused on signing Nylander and Matthews and the cap implications have jammed him up a bit. Signing Klingberg to a one year, is further indication that he's not willing to do anything that will prevent him from signing Nylander and Matthews. Dubas left a massive mess and Tre is getting shit for not acting irresponsible in trying to fix that mess. Rome was not built in a day. I'm going to reserve judgement until October.

With ROR, Accari, Schenn, Holl and Kerfoot out we lost 45 goals, with Klingberg and Reaves in, we got 15 goals, net loss of 30 goals. There is some work to to to add goals to the team, team defence and IMO it's not arguable that its is worse today, puts us around a 95 point team, which is around a 7th placed team in the East. Ottawa will be better, Montreal will be better, Buffalo will be better, NJ will be better, Detroit will be better. The East is going to be a dog fight.

 

[BallardEra]

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[Thornbury]

so, so far we've lost 76 goals of our roster and replaced it 15 so far.... thats 61 goals short. Even if u wanna pencil in Knies and Robertson for around 30 (maybe that's modest) that still leaves us 31 goals short from last year. There's gotta be more moves to make yet, can't see the Tam rolling out with the forward core they got right now.

I assume the 76 lost goals includes O'Reilly, Acciari, Bunting and Gustaffson? If so, other than Bunting, most of those goals were scored when they played for other teams. Not saying we don't need more forward depth, but the goals lost isn't that extreme.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

I assume the 76 lost goals includes O'Reilly, Acciari, Bunting and Gustaffson? If so, other than Bunting, most of those goals were scored when they played for other teams. Not saying we don't need more forward depth, but the goals lost isn't that extreme.

It includes the amount they scored for our team not including what they did before the deadline. We lost 55 alone from just Bunting, Engvall, Kerfoot, and ZAR. Matthews rebounding will/would definitely help but we still need to add atleast 1 more top 6 forward

 

[Thornbury]

This is Lou Lam draining the prospect pool making 18 selections which is 4 more then the standard 14 (7rounds X 2 drafts)

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With Matthews, Liljegren and Woll all expected to key parts on Treliving team going forward.

There were a ton of swings and misses in those two drafts, and our young depth is suffering from it now.

 

[hullsy47]

Team looks a lot worse so far.

Out: ROR, Schenn, Holl, Kerfoot, Bunting

In: Reaves, Klinberg

Well that's 20 million out the door .unless u can raise the cap by 25 million its pointless to whine
Dubas did this period .and if he was GM here marhews and Nylander would be extended for about another 27 mil
This is squarely on dubas

 

[BallardEra]

I'm sure Treliving tried bringing back Schenn and ROR for sure, maybe Acciari too.

ROR and Acciari probably didn't want to return and Schenn's price was too rich for the Leafs.

 

[hullsy47]

so, so far we've lost 76 goals of our roster and replaced it 15 so far.... thats 61 goals short. Even if u wanna pencil in Knies and Robertson for around 30 (maybe that's modest) that still leaves us 31 goals short from last year. There's gotta be more moves to make yet, can't see the Tam rolling out with the forward core they got right now.

Knies will score 15 more. Klinger another 7
U have to hope Robertson and holmberg score a few too
It is what it is .I mean tj compher got over 5 million lol

 

[Macallan18]

Ok, I'd give Treliving a B- today.
Kerfoot gone, yay
Holl gone, yay
Schenn gone, meh
ROR gone, meh
Bunting gone, meh
(the meh indicates they were all grossly overpaid in free agency, got too much term, too old, etc.)
Klingberg is only a one year deal, he may work out, who knows. Neutral, probably ok.
The negatives:
Kampf, too long and too much
Reaves, totally inexplicable.

Even though neither of Kampf or Reaves makes sense, they are not cap killing, Kampf is an overpay but not huge, Reaves can almost be totaly buried in the minors.

Can you imagine signing Engvall to a 7 year deal? or Kerfoot 2 times 3.5?
Or that genius Yzerman signing Holl to a 3 year deal at 3.4? Almost as good as his Chariot signing. What on earth is he thinking?

For all of the moans and missed opportunities, much of the free agency concerns come from GM's killing their teams with really bad contracts.

We haven't.

The real grading will come with the Matthews and Nylander signings, or lack thereof.

I'm sure Treliving tried bringing back Schenn and ROR for sure, maybe Acciari too.

ROR and Acciari probably didn't want to return and Schenn's price was too rich for the Leafs.

People discount that Toronto is not the top location for a player like Acciari who is American, and ROR can beef all he wants, but I am sure him wanting to escape the spotlight in Toronto and just take it easy and retire with diminished capacity in Nashville drew him away.

 

[Macallan18]

Knies will score 15 more. Klinger another 7
U have to hope Robertson and holmberg score a few too
It is what it is .I mean tj compher got over 5 million lol

Bingo, people say we lost these many goals boo hoo.
We will sub in players who may do better.
Surely any Marlies player we sub in for Kerfoot can get 10 goals playing 82 games with significant minutes!!!

 

[justashadowof]

You know what would make me feel a whole lot better about things? A Matthews extension.

 

[ToneDog]

As it stands today, yes we are a worse team. Tre told us with out telling us that he is focused on signing Nylander and Matthews and the cap implications have jammed him up a bit. Signing Klingberg to a one year, is further indication that he's not willing to do anything that will prevent him from signing Nylander and Matthews. Dubas left a massive mess and Tre is getting shit for not acting irresponsible in trying to fix that mess. Rome was not built in a day. I'm going to reserve judgement until October.

With ROR, Accari, Schenn, Holl and Kerfoot out we lost 45 goals, with Klingberg and Reaves in, we got 15 goals, net loss of 30 goals. There is some work to to to add goals to the team, team defence and IMO it's not arguable that its is worse today, puts us around a 95 point team, which is around a 7th placed team in the East. Ottawa will be better, Montreal will be better, Buffalo will be better, NJ will be better, Detroit will be better. The East is going to be a dog fight.

Have you ever tried drinking out of a water hose ?? Great quote by Treliving.

 

[ToneDog]

You know what would make me feel a whole lot better about things? A Matthews extension.

Hopefully he has that ace up his sleeve because from reading this board, he has not impressed many.

I am hoping Klingberg does not mail it in for us like I believe he mailed it in for Anaheim. Unless he wants a further haircut next year, he needs to show something.

 

[Vitto79]

I bet they get Motte and Domi todat