New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Tony Romo]

Also for ROR, didn't friedman come out and say he may have not actually liked what comes being a leaf? Popularity, pressure, media etc.

 

[TMLAM34]

Not too concerned that ROR or Wheeler didn’t choose us. I’d rather sign players like Bertuzzi and Domi who are in their primes opposed to washed up old vets who can barely keep up anymore.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Also for ROR, didn't friedman come out and say he may have not actually liked what comes being a leaf? Popularity, pressure, media etc.

I also heard he said (quietly) that the culture needs to change on the team a couple games in his tenure here. I don’t think he loved the chemistry. After hearing the story on how the Leafs first team dinner of the season (?!) was during the TB series I can believe it.

 

[Metroid]

Also for ROR, didn't friedman come out and say he may have not actually liked what comes being a leaf? Popularity, pressure, media etc.

I don't understand this kind of thinking from hockey players or other sports stars in general... Like, you wanna be the best , make millions, be on tv for thousands of people cheering you on, yet you're afraid of or don't want the spotlight?? Also , getting into a sport that's played in the winter, and running to cities that have no snow? (Not RoR specific)
Too funny. I'm probably crazy but I'd be love to be that hockey star that says f you to LA and sign in Winnipeg and win a cup.
End rant.

Also go Leafs go just cause.

 

[Tony Romo]

I don't understand this kind of thinking from hockey players or other sports stars in general... Like, you wanna be the best , make millions, be on tv for thousands of people cheering you on, yet you're afraid of or don't want the spotlight?? Also , getting into a sport that's played in the winter, and running to cities that have no snow? (Not RoR specific)
Too funny. I'm probably crazy but I'd be love to be that hockey star that says f you to LA and sign in Winnipeg and win a cup.
End rant.

Also go Leafs go just cause.

I think it happens in all sports. Some people can't handle what it takes to be a Yankee, Laker, Knick etc. it's tough mentally and on the families. Some people also embrace it.

 

[Mess]

Blake Wheeler is rare Rangers free agency bargain: ‘Wants to win the Cup’

Blake Wheeler took less to come to New York on a one-year, over-35 deal for an $800,000 cap hit plus a potential bonus package of up to $300,000.

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Maple Leafs Linked To Brian Elliott​

July 10, 2023

The remaining unrestricted free agent market for goaltenders isn’t exactly the deepest with the options mostly being veteran backups or third-stringers. But it appears at least one netminder has a potential suitor as Larry Brooks of the New York Post suggests that Brian Elliott could be on his way to Toronto.

The 38-year-old is a 16-year NHL veteran and has spent time with six different teams. Tampa Bay was the last of those squads as Elliott suited up for two seasons with them, posting a 2.96 GAA along with a .900 SV% in 41 games. Notably, Elliott has only surpassed the .900 SV% mark once in the last four seasons.

With that in mind, the connection to the Maple Leafs might seem a bit surprising. However, projected backup Joseph Woll is still inexperienced with just 11 career NHL regular season appearances under his belt. Matt Murray remains in the organization for the time being but with Toronto’s salary cap situation, it’s hard to imagine that he’ll be suiting up for them in 2023-24 as things stand.
Meanwhile, among their other four goalies on an NHL contract (Dennis Hildeby, Artur Akhtyamov, Keith Petruzzelli, and Vyacheslav Peksa), none of them have played a single minute at the top level. Only Petruzzelli (30 games) and Hildeby (two games) have played in the AHL. Accordingly, counting on any of them to come up and serve as an injury replacement for Ilya Samsonov or Woll would be risky.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I don't understand this kind of thinking from hockey players or other sports stars in general... Like, you wanna be the best , make millions, be on tv for thousands of people cheering you on, yet you're afraid of or don't want the spotlight?? Also , getting into a sport that's played in the winter, and running to cities that have no snow? (Not RoR specific)
Too funny. I'm probably crazy but I'd be love to be that hockey star that says f you to LA and sign in Winnipeg and win a cup.
End rant.

Also go Leafs go just cause.

There's a very fine line between popularity and harassment. When the leafs are playing well I'm sure it's all gravy. When they aren't, you're getting cat called by idiots on the street for sucking ass and not playing up to your contract. You're dragged through the media, your kids are harassed at school for their father sucking at hockey... i mean they are first world problems, sure. But some guys just prefer a quiet family life with a nice house in the burbs somewhere when they aren't playing. Totally fair.

 

[LeafSteel]

Sounds more like Mel Brooks than Larry Brooks to me.......

 

[613Leafer]

ROR went to a rebuilding team, if you're a coveted veteran UFA with playoff pedigree and you go to a rebuilding team there is only one real reason - money.

If he went to another contender for "similar term/money" I could buy the idea he didn't like what he saw with the Leafs, but he didn't, he chased the most money he could get. Why else go to a team blowing things up? Lifestyle may have also been a factor, rumour has it he doesn't like the spotlight, Nashville gives you that.

The insiders at the time said money/term were not an issue for the Leafs, but ROR decided to leave anyway. i.e. Leafs were offering a similar contract.

So maybe it was the tax rate, maybe he didn't like the spotlight, maybe he didn't like the dressing room, who knows. But based on the reports, Nashville didn't offer more $$ or term than the Leafs.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[VanW27]

The insiders at the time said money/term were not an issue for the Leafs, but ROR decided to leave anyway. i.e. Leafs were offering a similar contract.

So maybe it was the tax rate, maybe he didn't like the spotlight, maybe he didn't like the dressing room, who knows. But based on the reports, Nashville didn't offer more $$ or term than the Leafs.

I'm aware of what was said. I'm also aware that everyone always says it's not about the money, when in fact it almost always is. I would imagine multiple teams made comparable offers to ROR, including other contenders, but similar doesn't mean the same.

 

[horner]

Trade we need draft capital
Brodie
Lafferty
Jamcrock

Trade for
Hartman 1.7 mil I am not to sure we would have to give up

UFA's that are still available

Dumba 4.5 mil isn't signed yet has a great shot from the point hits can move the puck

Cal Foote .800 thousand

Austin Watson 1.3 mil good skater hits fight can pk

 

[Fogelhund]

Trade we need draft capital
Brodie
Lafferty
Jamcrock

Trade for
Hartman 1.7 mil I am not to sure we would have to give up

UFA's that are still available

Dumba 4.5 mil isn't signed yet has a great shot from the point hits can move the puck

Cal Foote .800 thousand

Austin Watson 1.3 mil good skater hits fight can pk

So trade good players so we can improve our draft picks next year, degrade the team, and then sign players that will make us worse. Sounds like a plan.

Cal Foote as a 8/9 isn’t a bad idea though.

 

[DarkKnight]

Every morning I wake up, wonder what the inside scoop on the Leafs is and think “Larry Brooks”.

 

[beastintheeast]

The insiders at the time said money/term were not an issue for the Leafs, but ROR decided to leave anyway. i.e. Leafs were offering a similar contract.

So maybe it was the tax rate, maybe he didn't like the spotlight, maybe he didn't like the dressing room, who knows. But based on the reports, Nashville didn't offer more $$ or term than the Leafs.

There are a few differences between Nashville and Toronto.

1. team chemistry Toronto is all about the FaB FOUR and not about the team. The fact that they had 1 team dinner in a full hockey year says it all. Usually most teams that have chemistry have one as soon as training camp is over. Toronto is more of a I come to work do my thing on the ice and then go home. 9-5 mentality.
2. state taxes versus provincial taxes
3. general cost of living avg house Nash $449K USD avg house MISS/TO 1,076,876 CAD
4. front office coaching staff Barry Trotz who is building a team Kyle Dumbas that is looking for cheap also rans for the fab 4

There really is not a lot of plusses that TO offers to a player

Question The Leafs are going into salary arbitration with Samsonov. Just supposing that he gets 4 mil for a year. Where does TO get the cap space and what does it tell samsonov

 

[mydnyte]

Maple Leafs Linked To Brian Elliott​

July 10, 2023

The remaining unrestricted free agent market for goaltenders isn’t exactly the deepest with the options mostly being veteran backups or third-stringers. But it appears at least one netminder has a potential suitor as Larry Brooks of the New York Post suggests that Brian Elliott could be on his way to Toronto.

The 38-year-old is a 16-year NHL veteran and has spent time with six different teams. Tampa Bay was the last of those squads as Elliott suited up for two seasons with them, posting a 2.96 GAA along with a .900 SV% in 41 games. Notably, Elliott has only surpassed the .900 SV% mark once in the last four seasons.

With that in mind, the connection to the Maple Leafs might seem a bit surprising. However, projected backup Joseph Woll is still inexperienced with just 11 career NHL regular season appearances under his belt. Matt Murray remains in the organization for the time being but with Toronto’s salary cap situation, it’s hard to imagine that he’ll be suiting up for them in 2023-24 as things stand.
Meanwhile, among their other four goalies on an NHL contract (Dennis Hildeby, Artur Akhtyamov, Keith Petruzzelli, and Vyacheslav Peksa), none of them have played a single minute at the top level. Only Petruzzelli (30 games) and Hildeby (two games) have played in the AHL. Accordingly, counting on any of them to come up and serve as an injury replacement for Ilya Samsonov or Woll would be risky.

i could see him as a Marlies signing and cheap 'insurance'

The insiders at the time said money/term were not an issue for the Leafs, but ROR decided to leave anyway. i.e. Leafs were offering a similar contract.

So maybe it was the tax rate, maybe he didn't like the spotlight, maybe he didn't like the dressing room, who knows. But based on the reports, Nashville didn't offer more $$ or term than the Leafs.

being on the Leafs adds a level of scrutiny that he wasnt used to, and perhaps didnt like ...like, everything from, he was supposed to lead them in the playoffs to he cant skate anymore, and is a sloth on the ice.

 

[mydnyte]

Trade we need draft capital
Brodie
Lafferty
Jamcrock

Trade for
Hartman 1.7 mil I am not to sure we would have to give up

UFA's that are still available

Dumba 4.5 mil isn't signed yet has a great shot from the point hits can move the puck

Cal Foote .800 thousand

Austin Watson 1.3 mil good skater hits fight can pk

offer Dumba a 1 year 1 mil deal, and tell him he can earn a Reilly deal next year and re-sign him, or let him cash out for big bucks after a big season with the Leafs.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

They’ll need a vet on the Marlies for insurance.
They won’t try and sneak Woll through waivers, that would be dumb.

(Wasn’t implying that your post was dumb)

Well obviously not Woll.

 

[The Nic]

Every morning I wake up, wonder what the inside scoop on the Leafs is and think “Larry Brooks”.

Maybe he's connected to the player...

 

[Fogelhund]

This Dumba talk, is one of the dumbast ideas this forum has.

You know Connor Timmins, in limited ice time, put up the same amount of points as Matt Dumba last year? Dumba has always been, and continues to be poor defensively.

Our D needs to get bigger most agree... but let's bring in 180lbs Dumba... and get rid of Brodie at the same time. I mean, who wouldn't want a complete tire fire of a D?

..and those who project Dumba could put up big numbers with us.... without any PP time at that, because he's surely not going to push out Rielly, or even Klingberg. I mean Dumba has ZERO PP points last year. Dumba... the guy who has averaged less than 22 points a year, for the last five, is suddenly going to put up big points here!!

This isn't some mythical player that was projected to be very good, years ago... he's a guy who sucks... at both ends of the ice, and isn't very big.

 

[Fogelhund]

One player I would love to go after if he's cleared of any wrong doing is Alex Formenton. He would be such a great addition to our top 9.

Formenton is on Ottawa's reserve list, so we'd have to trade for him.



It should be noted that the Senators don’t need to make a qualifying offer to winger Alex Formenton.

He spent last season in Europe after not being able to come to an agreement on a contract by Dec. 1, but his rights remain with Ottawa, unless the club allows him to become a UFA.

Dorion tried to trade him before the deadline, but couldn’t get what wanted in return, so the club held onto his rights.

He’ll either be back here next season or there’s a strong chance he’ll be traded. Formenton is currently on the club’s reserve list and can’t play anywhere other than Europe.

The expectation is he gets moved.

 

[nuck]

Maple Leafs Linked To Brian Elliott​

July 10, 2023

The remaining unrestricted free agent market for goaltenders isn’t exactly the deepest with the options mostly being veteran backups or third-stringers. But it appears at least one netminder has a potential suitor as Larry Brooks of the New York Post suggests that Brian Elliott could be on his way to Toronto.

The 38-year-old is a 16-year NHL veteran and has spent time with six different teams. Tampa Bay was the last of those squads as Elliott suited up for two seasons with them, posting a 2.96 GAA along with a .900 SV% in 41 games. Notably, Elliott has only surpassed the .900 SV% mark once in the last four seasons.

With that in mind, the connection to the Maple Leafs might seem a bit surprising. However, projected backup Joseph Woll is still inexperienced with just 11 career NHL regular season appearances under his belt. Matt Murray remains in the organization for the time being but with Toronto’s salary cap situation, it’s hard to imagine that he’ll be suiting up for them in 2023-24 as things stand.
Meanwhile, among their other four goalies on an NHL contract (Dennis Hildeby, Artur Akhtyamov, Keith Petruzzelli, and Vyacheslav Peksa), none of them have played a single minute at the top level. Only Petruzzelli (30 games) and Hildeby (two games) have played in the AHL. Accordingly, counting on any of them to come up and serve as an injury replacement for Ilya Samsonov or Woll would be risky.

Makes sense as they don't have another goalie that has even shown well in the AHL yet.

This Dumba talk, is one of the dumbast ideas this forum has.

You know Connor Timmins, in limited ice time, put up the same amount of points as Matt Dumba last year? Dumba has always been, and continues to be poor defensively.

Our D needs to get bigger most agree... but let's bring in 180lbs Dumba... and get rid of Brodie at the same time. I mean, who wouldn't want a complete tire fire of a D?

..and those who project Dumba could put up big numbers with us.... without any PP time at that, because he's surely not going to push out Rielly, or even Klingberg. I mean Dumba has ZERO PP points last year. Dumba... the guy who has averaged less than 22 points a year, for the last five, is suddenly going to put up big points here!!

This isn't some mythical player that was projected to be very good, years ago... he's a guy who sucks... at both ends of the ice, and isn't very big.

Dumba was injured in a fight in 2018. Shoulder maybe? After that his game changed and the scoring never came back. If he isn't scoring he isn't really valuable. Maybe another future Blackhawk.

 

[Duffman955]

Klingberg is actually much better than Dumba at the moment. This guy will actually put up offense guaranteed

 

[notbias]

the fact that guys like wheeler and duchene didn't pick the leafs was a bit of a red flag for me. Especially for wheeler who would have had opportunity with a fellow american in Wheeler and end up picking another eastern team.

Aren't those two guys with character issues apparently?

Heck ROR didn't pick us. Most concerning red flag for me. Maybe these guys figure it out like the bickering Bills did before they went on to 4 consecutive Super Bowls.

Doesn't he also have character issues and just chase money? Also, glad we didn't re-sign him, overrated player.

 

[justashadowof]

A quick search of all of the above mentioned forwards and I could only find one of them was actually charged with a criminal offense.