New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Sypher04]

interesting stuff?

Also apparently Fabbro from the Preds is being shopped around....I want.

I’d definitely be interested in Fabbro. Allegedly Flyers are going to move Carter Hart, which is another interesting name, at the right price of course

 

[Cor]

Dante Fabbro hasn't been good despite playing in Nashville's defensive system

No room for Fabbro anyway

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’d take Nylander over Barzal any day.

I think everybody would. The perception of what Barzal is tends to be heavily inflated from his rookie year. Plus, if people around here think our players who make a living in the slot and battling around and driving to the net are "soft, perimeter" players, I can't even imagine what people would say about Barzal, who actually is a lot closer to what some of our fans incorrectly think our players are.

 

[TMLAM34]

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Knies - Tavares - Marner
Lafferty - Domi - Nylander
Holmberg - Kampf - Reaves
Robertson

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Giordano - Klingberg
Timmins

Samsonov - Woll


Not terrible, definitely a couple spots we can still improve on.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I’d definitely be interested in Fabbro. Allegedly Flyers are going to move Carter Hart, which is another interesting name, at the right price of course

Flyers have set a very high ask for any of their players... feels like that's warding off a lot of the GMs.

 

[myleafs]

Isn't this why Ryan Reaves was acquired?

The Leafs only got attacked in the playoffs when the other team was down and trying to get them to retaliate. Stamkos forced Matthews to fight to take him off the ice. He said it in hisbend of year presser. Why do we want our guys playing into that?

We got knocked out of the playoffs by a team we dominated in 3 of the games we lost. Bobrovsky beat the Leafs.

Stammy also came to the rescue of one of their rookies after he had been manhandled...he didnt hesitate to get involved. That is the kind of leader I will follow.

Isn't this why Ryan Reaves was acquired?

The Leafs only got attacked in the playoffs when the other team was down and trying to get them to retaliate. Stamkos forced Matthews to fight to take him off the ice. He said it in hisbend of year presser. Why do we want our guys playing into that?

We got knocked out of the playoffs by a team we dominated in 3 of the games we lost. Bobrovsky beat the Leafs.

Dominated? We were watching a different playoffs then.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Pretty close. Funny how Barzal has zero signing bonuses on an 8 year/$73.2m deal.

It’s pretty funny how Barzal has 73 million when he hasn’t broken 62 points or PPG since his rookie year.

“But but but he’s so elite defensively!!” you will say as you watch him get 72% offensive zone starts while he gets moved to wing because even Lou realized he can’t handle 1C responsibilities.

 

[Duffman955]

Stammy also came to the rescue of one of their rookies after he had been manhandled...he didnt hesitate to get involved. That is the kind of leader I will follow.


Dominated? We were watching a different playoffs then.

We did dominate them.

All I remember is us peppering shots all game while Bobrovsky stands on his head. Meanwhile Samsonov let's in a couple softies

 

[myleafs]

We did dominate them.

All I remember is us peppering shots all game while Bobrovsky stands on his head. Meanwhile Samsonov let's in a couple softies

No we did not dominate them....many shots from the outside with barely any rebounds. physically pummeled....did you even watch the games?

 

[ToneDog]

It’s pretty funny how Barzal has 73 million when he hasn’t broken 62 points or PPG since his rookie year.

“But but but he’s so elite defensively!!” you will say as you watch him get 72% offensive zone starts while he gets moved to wing because even Lou realized he can’t handle 1C responsibilities.

Whether he is worth it or not, fact is he got a $73.2m contract with ZERO bonuses. That is my point. ZERO bonus money. Our stars get loads of money in the first couple of years which has to count for something in negotiations. Sorry don't buy, it is to the Leafs advantage when it comes to trading them when they are also given full no move clauses.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I just want Nylander to get done, we aren't going to win a Nylander trade. 9.25 x 6 should work fine. We have the cap with brodie leaving Next year to cover Matthews and Nylanders raise. We can Move players around or out to retain bertuzzi, domi, or Klinger if they find success here.

 

[Dreakmur]

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Knies - Tavares - Marner
Lafferty - Domi - Nylander
Holmberg - Kampf - Reaves
Robertson

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Giordano - Klingberg
Timmins

Samsonov - Woll


Not terrible, definitely a couple spots we can still improve on.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-Marner
Domi-______-Jarnkrok
Lafferty-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
_____-Liljegren
McCabe-Klingberg

Samsonov
Woll

That’s the lineup with guys all in spots that I think they’ll excel. Kampf would work as 3c, but he and Domi are a weird fit.

We’re missing a bottom-6 centre and a top-4 defenseman.

I’d like to move Jarnkrok for a different type of player, same with Brodie.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Whether he is worth it or not, fact is he got a $73.2m contract with ZERO bonuses. That is my point. ZERO bonus money. Our stars get loads of money in the first couple of years which has to count for something in negotiations. Sorry don't buy, it is to the Leafs advantage when it comes to trading them when they are also given full no move clauses.

Yeah because he puts up numbers closer to Kerfoot’s best season than any of our stars average seasons.

Barzal is not a top 30 player in the league, I don’t know why we’re entertaining the idea of an average first line winger getting 9mil let alone bonus structures on top of it.

When you can’t afford to pay stars bonus money like normal teams do, you end up stuck with leftovers like Horvat and Barzal putting up 120 combined points for almost 20 million lol.

 

[Evilhomer]

I think everybody would. The perception of what Barzal is tends to be heavily inflated from his rookie year. Plus, if people around here think our players who make a living in the slot and battling around and driving to the net are "soft, perimeter" players, I can't even imagine what people would say about Barzal, who actually is a lot closer to what some of our fans incorrectly think our players are.

I can say with a lot of confidence that I watch Barzal more than you ever could. Your analysis of his style of play is not correct. He does not stand in front of the net because he is very much a possession player, but he does drive to the net with the puck and does not shy away from contact. He is most definitely not a perimeter player. At the same time, Nylander will also drive to the net (see his goal in game 5 against Florida), but Toronto fans love to paint Nylander as a soft player because someone has to be the whipping boy.

Switching Barzal and Nylander would be an interesting experiment, because I suspect you would see their point totals flip, as well. Barzal would score far more points in Toronto's lineup because of lineup and power play quality, and Nylander would score fewer on the Islanders for the opposite reason. It would be a meaningless trade for both teams because exchanging these players wouldn't fill a need for either team.

I doubt very much that Toronto will trade Nylander. I expect that both he and Matthews will be signed on the eve of training camp, which will be the next pressure point in these negotiations.

 

[andora]

It’s pretty funny how Barzal has 73 million when he hasn’t broken 62 points or PPG since his rookie year.

“But but but he’s so elite defensively!!” you will say as you watch him get 72% offensive zone starts while he gets moved to wing because even Lou realized he can’t handle 1C responsibilities.

I like the player quite a bit but anyone claiming elite defensively needs an assessment

 

[-DeMo-]

Barzal imo would fit better into our top 6 then Nylander simply because of his passing and vision. but not only that Barzal's current deal ends when he's 33 Nylander signing an 8 year deal will end when he's 36. therefore his last few years will be much worst then Barzal's last couple of years contract wise

 

[myleafs]

Yeah because he puts up numbers closer to Kerfoot’s best season than any of our stars average seasons.

Barzal is not a top 30 player in the league, I don’t know why we’re entertaining the idea of an average first line winger getting 9mil let alone bonus structures on top of it.

When you can’t afford to pay stars bonus money like normal teams do, you end up stuck with leftovers like Horvat and Barzal putting up 120 combined points for almost 20 million lol.

Barzel.... 420gms 362 pts
Nylander 521gms 430pts
Kerfoot 442 gms 219 pts

Looks pretty close to me, especially considering the Leafs team is much more offensive than the isles

 

[Menzinger]

Sign and trades are historically pretty rare. If Nylander is traded I wouldn't expect it to happen as part of his deal

Horvat, Fiala for example while lesser players than Nylander didn't sign extensions until after they had been traded.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I can say with a lot of confidence that I watch Barzal more than you ever could. Your analysis of his style of play is not correct. He does not stand in front of the net because he is very much a possession player, but he does drive to the net with the puck and does not shy away from contact. He is most definitely not a perimeter player. At the same time, Nylander will also drive to the net (see his goal in game 5 against Florida), but Toronto fans love to paint Nylander as a soft player because someone has to be the whipping boy.

Switching Barzal and Nylander would be an interesting experiment, because I suspect you would see their point totals flip, as well. Barzal would score far more points in Toronto's lineup because of lineup and power play quality, and Nylander would score fewer on the Islanders for the opposite reason. It would be a meaningless trade for both teams because exchanging these players wouldn't fill a need for either team.

I doubt very much that Toronto will trade Nylander. I expect that both he and Matthews will be signed on the eve of training camp, which will be the next pressure point in these negotiations.

The truth is that none of these players are soft or just perimeter players. All I was saying is that it definitely applies more to Barzal than any of our stars, so if people already make those false claims about the guys we already have, it would just be worse with Barzal. Also no, their point totals would not flip, but I do agree that it's a trade that would never happen. Hopefully we're not trading any of our stars.

 

[The Masters]

tf

 

[The Podium]

tf

9.5 x 8 would be an easy yes from me. Weird that it’s a difficult one for them to get done

 

[Leaf Rocket]

9.5 x 8 would be an easy yes from me. Weird that it’s a difficult one for them to get done

Leafs dont want to pay above 9

 

[francis246]

Friedman like many other talking heads get their talking points from these boards. They don't have an original thought in their brain.
Many smarter and wiser gents posting here than in the media. We have been discussing what we need for years now. I yawn everytime they open their mouths.

Oh God, I wanna vomit every time I see a comment like this. Okay go work as an insider, scout or a GM then. There’s a reason why those people are in those jobs and you’re at home Posting on a hockey forum.

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Knies - Tavares - Marner
Lafferty - Domi - Nylander
Holmberg - Kampf - Reaves
Robertson

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Giordano - Klingberg
Timmins

Samsonov - Woll


Not terrible, definitely a couple spots we can still improve on.

Domi isn’t playing Center to start the year they said

 

[TopProspect91]

8 more years of Nylander? At almost $10m? He'll be 28 when the extension kicks in meaning we'd be paying him that until he's 36.

I'd rather trade him while his value is super high for younger assets or a top D-man. Knies will help offset the production that Willie was giving us while playing a stronger 200ft game.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

9.5 x 8 would be an easy yes from me. Weird that it’s a difficult one for them to get done

I think 9 x 8 is the sweet spot.

He's not worth 9.5 or 10 per year. Yes, it's "only" 500k extra but he already should be getting a deal around 8.8 x 8 for his overall production.