New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[phillipmike]

9.5 x 8 would be an easy yes from me. Weird that it’s a difficult one for them to get done

It’s because he asking for $10m. Plus comparable players like Meier and PLD got something in the mid or high 8s. High 8s Seems fair considering Meier and Dubois are both younger than Nylander (Dubois by 2 full years).

Dubois’ contract comes with 35% in signing bonuses and 50% for Meier. Nylander’s last contract came at 55%. Presumably, Nylander is going to get more in signing bonuses than both players.

Both PLD and Meier signed with new teams. Nylander has been with the Leafs for 8 years, you would think he would take what’s fair now with a team he knows and who he bent over last contract negotiations by risking injury or a down year.

Nylander maybe worth $9.5-10M next free agency period, but he isn’t worth that today.

 

[Menzinger]

Leafs dont want to pay above 9

I can potentially see a compromise at just over 9 happening. Like 9.25 or something close to it. Though ideally lower from a leafs pov

 

[Menzinger]

Debrincat to Detroit it seems

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

9.5 x 8 would be an easy yes from me. Weird that it’s a difficult one for them to get done

Agreed, I'd be happy with locking one of our core players up for 8 years.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Debrincat to Detroit it seems

Hopefully that gets things moving again

 

[Magic Man]

Debrincat in at 7.875M per for 4 years. That has got to help Nylander negotiations.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Evilhomer]

The truth is that none of these players are soft or just perimeter players. All I was saying is that it definitely applies more to Barzal than any of our stars, so if people already make those false claims about the guys we already have, it would just be worse with Barzal. Also no, their point totals would not flip, but I do agree that it's a trade that would never happen. Hopefully we're not trading any of our stars.

You are reaching that conclusion based on incomplete information. It's clear that you simply haven't watched Barzal play to the extent that you have watched Nylander play. That is to be expected. At the same time, it's foolish to make definitive statements with incomplete information. It detracts from any argument you are trying to make. Justifying a contract for Nylander doesn't require you to impugn Barzal or any other player. Simply make your case for Nylander and your opinions will have more credibility. If you believe that Nylander is a better player than Barzal, no problem. But have the courage to preface that opinion by saying that you have watched one player substantially more than the other player.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's clear that you simply haven't watched Barzal play to the extent that you have watched Nylander play. That is to be expected. At the same time, it's foolish to make definitive statements with incomplete information. It detracts from any argument you are trying to make. Justifying a contract for Nylander doesn't require you to impugn Barzal or any other player. Simply make your case for Nylander and your opinions will have more credibility. If you believe that Nylander is a better player than Barzal, no problem. But have the courage to preface that opinion by saying that you have watched one player substantially more than the other player.

I think it kind of goes without saying that everybody here would have watched Nylander more than Barzal, but I've watched Barzal quite a bit. I didn't "impugn" anybody, or even mention contracts. I noted the fact that Nylander is a better player, and made a comment on how Barzal would be perceived here.

 

[Evilhomer]

I think it kind of goes without saying that everybody here would have watched Nylander more than Barzal, but I've watched Barzal quite a bit. I didn't "impugn" anybody. I noted the fact that Nylander is a better player, and made a comment on how Barzal would be perceived here.

You made an incorrect assessment of Barzal, and used that to conclude that Nylander is a better player. It was poor analysis.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

This actually plays a bit of favor for the Leafs regarding the Nylander contract front IMO.

Hopefully that gets things moving again

Last I heard it was wild and blues, other than still been meh.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[MarMarSab3]

Doesn't seem like much

 

[Leaf Rocket]

kind of weak tbh.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Less than what Ottawa gave up to get him, no?

 

[Dekes For Days]

You made an incorrect assessment of Barzal, and used that to conclude that Nylander is a better player. It was poor analysis.

I wasn't even doing an analysis lol. I acknowledged the fact that Nylander is a better player, and made an accurate comment about Barzal and how he would be perceived here that wasn't used to "conclude" anything. Move on.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I can potentially see a compromise at just over 9 happening. Like 9.25 or something close to it. Though ideally lower from a leafs pov

I agree and personally, I think he's worth the 9.25 with the projected cap increase. Doesn't seem like the Leafs are budging though.

 

[Avilaj07]

kind of weak tbh.

Have to take into consideration Debrincat wasn't willing to resign in Ottawa, plus he pretty much said Detroit was the only team he was willing to sign with. Kinda hampers Ottawa's return 100%

 

[Buds17]

Interesting to have Ottawa send DeBrincat to a divisional rival after the price they paid to acquire him from Chicago. I'm sure DeBrincat is pumped to be playing at home though. Good contract for the player as well. My early observation is that the return for Ottawa does not seem to jump off the page. Mind you, DET may potentially be giving up a 1st round pick under somewhat similar conditions to what OTT did when acquiring DeBrincat themselves (the pick being outside of those that are within playoff range).

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Interesting to have Ottawa send DeBrincat to a divisional rival after the price they paid to acquire him from Chicago. I'm sure DeBrincat is pumped to be playing at home though. Good contract for the player as well. My early observation is that the return for Ottawa does not seem to jump off the page.

Pretty sure Dorion wanted to take less if it went to the other conference... Still didn't work out for them as much and it turn went to a divisional rivals.

 

[Cor]

If DeBrincat is getting 7.9Mx5, it’s pretty hard for the Leafs to argue Nylander should only get 8.5M or whatever lol

 

[Leaf Rocket]

If DeBrincat is getting 7.9Mx5, it’s pretty hard for the Leafs to argue Nylander should only get 8.5M or whatever lol

I actually think this plays in favour for the Leafs tbh. As I mentioned previously I think he's worth the 9.25ish but Leafs believe otherwise.

 

[hamzarocks]

If DeBrincat is getting 7.9Mx5, it’s pretty hard for the Leafs to argue Nylander should only get 8.5M or whatever lol

Why?

Debrincat had 56 in 52 and 78 in 82 his past two years in Chicago playing #2 to Kane.

He had a down year this year on the sens with 66 pts.

Nylander has had 42 in 51, 80 in 81, and 87 in 82 the past 3 years, playing as the #3 behind 34 and 16 here.

Nylander is better but not hy some absurd amount. 8.5-9M on a 7-8 year deal is what hes worth

 

[Buds17]

If DeBrincat is getting 7.9Mx5, it’s pretty hard for the Leafs to argue Nylander should only get 8.5M or whatever lol

7.875M x 4. Hoping this contract isn't going to be used as a comparable.

 

[Mitch nylander]

This trade is super eye opening to anyone who's in the trade Nylander camp. I'd imagine our return would be similar to that, if not a tad more which would be super disappointing.