New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Kurtz]

7.875M x 4. Hoping this contract isn't going to be used as a comparable.

And he didn't get any signing bonuses either.

I hope it is used as a comparable.

 

[Buds17]

And he didn't get any signing bonuses either.

I hope it is used as a comparable.

Fair enough regarding that. I'm not crazy about it for the lack of term relative to that AAV.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Has anybody said what the conditions on the pick are? Doesn't look like a great return.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Less than what Ottawa gave up to get him, no?

Yeah this seems like pennies on the dollar. Chicago's return definitely looks better now, especially with Korchinski taking another step this year.

Don't know how good Sebrango is, but of course he is from Ottawa. Typical Dorion lol

 

[PromisedLand]

Ottawa gave up 7th overall and 39th overall for basically 1 year of DeBincrat and did not even make playoffs. Then get a crappy return for him signed for 4 yr term

Atlantic Division is once again going to be a really tough out though

 

[Dr.Funk]

Has anybody said what the conditions on the pick are? Doesn't look like a great return.

Detroit's choice of either their 1st or Boston's that they own, unless Boston's falls into the top 10 then Boston keeps that pick and it gets pushed to 2025 and Detroit can choose to give them the 2025 Boston pick or their own 2024 1st

 

[BM14]

This trade is super eye opening to anyone who's in the trade Nylander camp. I'd imagine our return would be similar to that, if not a tad more which would be super disappointing.

Not necessarily. Removing Floaty for a top 4 RHD would make the team better. His contract is also easier to trade.

 

[SprDaVE]

Dorion really screwed up on that ordeal

 

[LaPlante94]

This trade is super eye opening to anyone who's in the trade Nylander camp. I'd imagine our return would be similar to that, if not a tad more which would be super disappointing.

Nylander still has 1 year left on his deal so we'd easily get a much better return

 

[1specter]

Yzerman replaced lube with glue and really gave it to Dorion on this deal

 

[cyris]

If DeBrincat is getting 7.9Mx5, it’s pretty hard for the Leafs to argue Nylander should only get 8.5M or whatever lol

I think Willy is the better player and trending in a better direction but Debrincat has a better career points and goals per game and is a year younger.
Neither is all that strong defensively. Cat is a year younger and this contract buys out all his prime years and no older ones.

The gap may not be as big as some here are going to make it out to be.

Nylander still has 1 year left on his deal so we'd easily get a much better return

Yeah Nylander had a year left on his deal but this was a sign and trade so it was for 4 years of Debrincat vs 1 of Nylander

 

[Stephen]

Ottawa gave up 7th overall and 39th overall for basically 1 year of DeBincrat and did not even make playoffs. Then get a crappy return for him signed for 4 yr term

Atlantic Division is once again going to be a really tough out though

Ottawa getting worse and Detroit taking advantage is a nice way of taking a stronger Atlantic Division team weaker, while making a weaker team marginally better. Like a non playoff parity.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Dorion really screwed up on that ordeal

The "Summer of Pierre" (as Sens fans coined it last year ) was an utter failure. Couldn't have happened to a better fanbase.

 

[Evilhomer]

I don't think that Toronto ever wanted to trade Nylander anyway, but this trade should be a good example of why that type of trade would be a bad idea.

 

[LaPlante94]

I think Willy is the better player and trending in a better direction but Debrincat has a better career points and goals per game and is a year younger.
Neither is all that strong defensively. Cat is a year younger and this contract buys out all his prime years and no older ones.

The gap may not be as big as some here are going to make it out to be.


Yeah Nylander had a year left on his deal but this was a sign and trade so it was for 4 years of Debrincat vs 1 of Nylander

Debrincat was a RFA so he could've sat out until he got traded. Wherever Nylander ends up if he's traded they are most likely getting him for 9 years as well.

 

[Rob Brown]

I don't think that Toronto ever wanted to trade Nylander anyway, but this trade should be a good example of why that type of trade would be a bad idea.

And also to Nylander about thinking he can get more elsewhere.

 

[The Masters]

Dorion really screwed up on that ordeal

the new owner should fire him asap or if he hasn't taken over officially, id expect thats # 1 on first day duties

this guy is a banana

 

[jaric1862]

First off, Nylander is a better player than Debrincat full-stop. Secondly, If we make a deal I think we'd be dealing for another pending UFA (Lindholm or Hanifin++)

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Comparables with Willy don't work, or at least they didn't last time. We all looked at contracts like Ehlers' and Pastrnak's and in the end it didn't play into the negotiations at all, or if they did it wasn't in the Leafs favour. As much as we want the contracts of Debrincat or Meier to be a sort of baseline for a Nylander contract, I doubt he or Gross give two f***s.

 

[BM14]

Comparables with Willy don't work, or at least they didn't last time. We all looked at contracts like Ehlers' and Pastrnak's and in the end it didn't play into the negotiations at all, or if they did it wasn't in the Leafs favour. As much as we want the contracts of Debrincat or Meier to be a sort of baseline for a Nylander contract, I doubt he or Gross give two f***s.

We also had this guy negotiating last time:

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

We also had this guy negotiating last time:

Yep, it's going to be difficult to put the genie back into the bottle so to speak with these current and upcoming negotiations. All of the Big Three were overpaid to some degree, so getting a fair deal this time around will be a herculean task.

Really, the contract comparable Treliving should use is on the team already. Just point to a picture of Rielly and remind our star forwards that Mo took less to make this work, and they'd do well to follow in his footsteps.

 

[BM14]

Yep, it's going to be difficult to put the genie back into the bottle so to speak with these current and upcoming negotiations. All of the Big Three were overpaid to some degree, so getting a fair deal this time around will be a herculean task.

Really, the contract comparable Treliving should use is on the team already. Just point to a picture of Rielly and remind our star forwards that Mo took less to make this work, and they'd do well to follow in his footsteps.

Then follow that up with showing them a picture of Kerfoot in Arizona...

 

[kb]

IF they want to keep a dime a dozen player, so be it....but heads up; they don't.

Roberston types are the most common trade fodder because someone always thinks they can fix them/get more out of them.

They don't dump 21 year old second round picks who are shaping up to be a middle 6 scorer after 2 injury plagued seasons for no reason other than a fan is not really happy either.

Oh. sorry, just a heads up.

 

[kb]

Crosby did it. McDavid did it. MacKinnon just did it.

What was the salary cap when Crosby signed over 11 years ago with an illegal backdiving contract, and what has been his best season since?

And how much did MacKinnon sign for again?

You might wanna research this stuff. But no worries, facts is not your thing, I get it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Comparables with Willy don't work, or at least they didn't last time. We all looked at contracts like Ehlers' and Pastrnak's and in the end it didn't play into the negotiations at all, or if they did it wasn't in the Leafs favour. As much as we want the contracts of Debrincat or Meier to be a sort of baseline for a Nylander contract, I doubt he or Gross give two f***s.

Of course comparables work with Nylander, and they did last time, which is why Nylander fell right within his comparables. As much as we want to pay Nylander the same money as obviously worse players in Debrincat and Meier, that's unrealistic.