New GM, New Trades and Signings Thread

[Brobust]

Dubois is just perfect for Toronto. If he's willing to sign, then Marner + Brodie for Dubois + Dillon + Heinola is something I'd do even if it's a downgrade.

 

[Zero1]

Darren Dreger on the Senators ownership situation, how Babcock impacts the Blue Jackets & what changes could come in Winnipeg - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joined the OverDrive guys earlier today to discuss the ownership situation in Ottawa, Columbus' chances to make the playoffs, how much the cap could move, who could be breaking down Winnipeg's door to trade for Dubois or Hellebuyck and how the Jets could reset if they do need to sell players off.

Is Dubois really only interested in Montreal?

If he’s open to signing an extension with the Leafs then that’s an interesting Marner destination.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Dubois
Dillion
Helly

To Winnipeg-
Marner
Robertson
Brodie
Rights to Samsonov

 

[Kiwi]

But you put a goalie who didn't gave a weak goal every game, leafs maybe dont lost gm #1-2-3-5 vs florida and having a complete different story

They are no player as much important than the guy between pipes...

If you switching bobrovsky and Samsonov, we didnt talked about tkachuk like a hero anymore but like a zero because he was bad against leafs...and we would talk about matthews, tavares, marner and nylander in a complete different way because i dont know how many goal bobrov stole to the leafs... im pretty sure youre switching bobrov with samsonov the exact way both team player, leafs win it easily in 4 and we dont talk about they chocking again but about how good they was.. the only thing matter is not the number of points or whatever, its the win...

We played against a goaltender who had an unsustainable hot patch and we couldn't score more than 2 goals a game

There's your loss to Florida summerized

Bob has one of if not the worst contract in the entire league and he hasn't done jack **** for years but because he's been amazing for 6 weeks he's an example of outstanding goaltending we should be looking to emulate?

For a start I wouldn't wish that abomination of a contract on my worst enemy, they only made the playoffs because of Lyon and Bobs already turning back into a pumpkin

In no way should we do anything like that

 

[Stephen]

I see Hart in similar light to Samsonov in terms of pedigree, upside, and risk. I think he gets more spotlight because he's Canadian but a lot of people seem to forget Sammy was a 1st round draft pick the year prior.

Hart has a better health record though.

And with Woll showing some potential and upside, I don't see it necessary to trade assets to bring in Hart .. might as well save them for other roster upgrades.

This is where you really need a Department of Goaltending Excellence to chime in and give you an impassioned breakdown on Samsonov's upside vs Hart's upside. I think Hart's upside resembled more of the Price/Gibson variety, technique meets, athleticism, meets control, lacking maybe only massive modern size, whereas Samsonov kind of your gifted Russian goalie who hasn't always been as structurally sound, has been not as strong mentally in the past, maybe a bit erratic or unhealthy at times. But he has been good for us and I think is still a long way from having realized his potential. I'm okay with keeping Sammy and not going for Hart but just want that goalie department input.

 

[thusk]

We played against a goaltender who had an unsustainable hot patch and we couldn't score more than 2 goals a game

There's your loss to Florida summerized

Bob has one of if not the worst contract in the entire league and he hasn't done jack **** for years but because he's been amazing for 6 weeks he's an example of outstanding goaltending we should be looking to emulate?

For a start I wouldn't wish that abomination of a contract on my worst enemy, they only made the playoffs because of Lyon and Bobs already turning back into a pumpkin

In no way should we do anything like that

And florida scored more than 2 goal in regulation once in 4 game against carolina??? Whos care? They won

Its just an exemple of how a good goalie vs average or bad goalie in playoff can change everything...

Tampa last cup, 10 of 23 game they played, they scored more than 2 goal? Whos care? They womln the cup...

Pittsburgh than they won it, they won a lot of game too where they scored less than 3 goal? Whos care about the numbre of goal scored or not, the only thing matrer is winning, and the best youre goalie had been playing, higher your chance will be high whatever everything happening in front. They dont have any player in a hockey team with higher impact than the goaltender, no one...

When youre playing a team whos find a way to keep score low, you need to find way to win game 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, 3-2 in OT overtime... and its not with Samsonov it will happen regularly

 

[Northernguy10]

Why are we talking about Hart? Or any goaltender for that matter?

We have a ton of holes in the forward group to fill and I'm not in love with our defensive makeup either

The UFA class is pretty grim and we've used a lot of assets recently going for it

When I look at our team I think our limited resources (cap, picks and prospects) need to go towards improving the skaters rather than the goaltending because that's where we can get the most improvement imo

I agree with you 100%. If they give up more assets for a lateral (maybe slight improvement) move in net when we need a couple of defensemen and several forwards my disillusionment with this organization will continue and there really isn't much further to go til it hits rock bottom.

 

[andora]

With Athanasiou getting paid the way he did, and same goes to Gavrikov. What does that mean for guys like Kerfoot/Kampf/ROR/Bunting.

They will be hawks

 

[Kiwi]

And florida scored more than 2 goal in regulation once in 4 game against carolina??? Whos care? They won

Its just an exemple of how a good goalie vs average or bad goalie in playoff can change everything...

Tampa last cup, 10 of 23 game they played, they scored more than 2 goal? Whos care? They womln the cup...

Pittsburgh than they won it, they won a lot of game too where they scored less than 3 goal? Whos care about the numbre of goal scored or not, the only thing matrer is winning, and the best youre goalie had been playing, higher your chance will be high whatever everything happening in front. They dont have any player in a hockey team with higher impact than the goaltender, no one...

When youre playing a team whos find a way to keep score low, you need to find way to win game 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, 3-2 in OT overtime... and its not with Samsonov it will happen regularly

Florida has done the sporting equivalent of winning the lottery for the last 3-4 months

I'd prefer a plan that doesn't require a ton of pure luck to have any chance of success

We may have gotten rid of Dubas but I'd hope our process and planning is better than whatever you're plan is

 

[Jozay]

Dubois is just perfect for Toronto. If he's willing to sign, then Marner + Brodie for Dubois + Dillon + Heinola is something I'd do even if it's a downgrade.

A part time player who quits on his teams? Just what the doctor ordered!

 

[leafsfan5]

Dubois the player is a perfect fit as a 2C

But he's quit on every team he's played for, f*** him

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Who are some reasonable teams who would want/need a winger and would go all out for a Marner or Nylander if we ever decided to test that market? Seattle and Vancouver are the 2 main ones I can think of possibly wanting an elite top line winger.

Seattle has guys like Wright who could be a good #2C behind Matthews, Bjorkstrand, 20th overall pick, McCann ( doubt they'd want to move him but personal bias so I had to name him), Megna (cheap 3rd pair guy to play with offensive d man), Schultz (possibly only a 1 year guy but could be a good fit with Brodie or McCabe). That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Not too familiar with their prospect pool other than Firkus.

Vancouver has the obvious names like Boeser and Garland. Raty would be a must for me imo, 11th pick, Myers ( Not a want but probably has to be in the trade for cap reasons), Demko and Idk what else they got or familiar with their prospects as well.

Winnipeg might be a new one now that Dubois agent confirms he won't sign there. I'd only go after Dubois if he wants to sign here and agrees to a deal before a trade is official. They got mostly older guys and I doubt they want to move many young guys. DeMelo been a fav of mine for a while now, Lowry possibly, 18th pick, Hellebuyck (idk how I feel about trading for him tbh). Perfetti and Lambert I doubt they'd ever move but those are 2 of the younger guys/prospects I like over there.

Chicago is another I know would want to but I don't see us as being good trade partners. They have like 8 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft and 6 next year and getting a few of those would be nice but we would definitely need a roster player and prospect in return as well that they'd be willing to move. Raddysh and Murphy the only 2 guys I like imo maybe Wagner as a throw in to add a depth speed guy, Reichel is a prospect I really like and will be in the NHL next season. Maybe they'd even take Murrays contract off our hands for free haha.

All hypothetical of course but just trying to think of teams who would want a winger and these ones came to mind and who I like on their teams/prospects.

Colorado won't have Landeskog back for next season either iirc. With the loss of he and Kadri, that's a pretty significant loss at forward. I could see them being a potential fit. Maybe something around Nylander for Toews?

 

[Amadeus]

Dubois the player is a perfect fit as a 2C

But he's quit on every team he's played for, f*** him

In fairness to him, he was drafted by Columbus and then went to Winnipeg, hardly desirable destinations.

I think there is a chance to retain him long term if we acquire him. He's MTL bound, though, and he'd be a great piece for them.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I actually think Dubois hates the Leafs on a personal level. He's always insane against us, not like dominant just very active in good and bad ways. Seemed to really like taking cheap shots on the boys. I definitely believe he's a Habs fan lol

Part of me would want no part of him. The other part of me thinks we need more jerks, he definitely fits that bill.

 

[LaPlante94]

Colorado won't have Landeskog back for next season either iirc. With the loss of he and Kadri, that's a pretty significant loss at forward. I could see them being a potential fit. Maybe something around Nylander for Toews?

Yeah I forgot about that situation. Idk about the Nischuskin situation either or what really happened there. I know the NHL said he can play but maybe Colorado doesn't want him after he did what he did during the playoffs. So they could be down 2 top 6 wingers and desperate. Toews and Bowen are definitely 2 defencemen any team would want.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

The challenge with obtaining Lindholm, (assuming it's something like Marner for Lindholm + Weegar), is that then you've got Lindholm, Matthews, Nylander and Liljegren all seeking extensions at the same time. Could it be done... maybe... I've got $9.9 million left in cap space on my roster, with needing to sign one legitimate top six winger. Is it possible to get someone to sign a one year deal, if you overpay?

Why would 1 year of Lindholm + Weegar cost Marner?

If anything if Lindholm tells the Flames he isn't re-signing we should try and take advantage of that situation and get a but of a discount on the player. Try to add him to the group for next year and you still have enough cap to re-up ROR.

 

[thusk]

Florida has done the sporting equivalent of winning the lottery for the last 3-4 months

I'd prefer a plan that doesn't require a ton of pure luck to have any chance of success

We may have gotten rid of Dubas but I'd hope our process and planning is better than whatever you're plan is

Tampa/pittsburgh/lak, stl, vegas or whatever was luck too???

I just dont know how you expect to win a cup allowing 3 goal+ 73 % of the time.

Vegas
2 - goal 10win 0 lost 100%
3+ goal 4 win 5 lost 44%

Colorado 2022
2- 10 win 0 lost 100%
3+ 6 win 4 lost 60%

Tampa 2021

2- 13 win 1 lost 93%
3+ 3 win 6 lost 33%

Tampa 2020
-2 14 win 1 list 93%
3+ 3 win 5 lost 38%

Stl 2019
2- 14 win 2 lost 88%
3+ 2 win 8 lost 22%

Overall -2 94% of win
3 + 39% of win

Leafs this season
2- 3win 0 lost 100%
3+ 2 win 6 lost 25%

I can continu but... so for you the way to raise chance to win is outscoring your opponent 4-3, 5-3 or whatever unstead of winning 2-1, 3-0 or whatever like everyone trying to do. YOU JUST CANT WIN CUP ALLOWING 3 goal + 73 % OF THE TIME so yes goaltender who will not gave up that 3rd weak goal is EXTREMELY important because it whats making the biggest difference in playoff... its the difference between winning and losing your serie at the end

 

[horner]

Watch the highlight, how many player all alone in the slot

-Howden breakaway
-Pietrangeli all alone from circle middle ice
-Stone all alone in front the net with at least 3-4 second to do whatever he want
-marchessault all alone goal
-barbashev in slot side of net
-Stone took a great shot when he slidding right in middle of the slot.
-eichel all alone, can control puck enough to take a clean shot
-theodore from middle of d boxes with screen ---goal
-amaizing save vs pietrangelo all alone from circle
-2v1 stephenson all alone and take a good shot stop, bring back the puck send to whitecloud whos scored...
-stone intercept the pass all alone in the slot

11 time in the game, florida let a guy in extreme dangerous area free to tske a shot... outside of their 2 goal they had 2 scoring chance of thst quality... this game could easily finished like 8-2

Gm 2 let watch goal he allowed... marchessault,all alone from faceoff circle with stone screen...

Goal 2 same thing martinez all alone from fo circle with his own d creating a screen

goal 3 roy skating with the puck from the corner to the slot free and again his own D screen Bobrosvky who never had a chance to see the puck

goal 4 howden breaway and amaizing play.. .
player free from fo circle with screen, he had no chance...

You will need to show me WHERE he was bad... gm 2 he had no chance to stop any of first 3 goal, the 4th one he would need toncompletly stole it... the only bad goal allowed maybe whitecloud goal after totally stole like 7 goal of this game ...

It was not about Bobrosvky not being good,its just about how trash again florida D had been and Bobrovsky was not able to stole as much he did previous series...

Areas that our Core didn't want to go

 

[DarkKnight]

Dubois is just perfect for Toronto. If he's willing to sign, then Marner + Brodie for Dubois + Dillon + Heinola is something I'd do even if it's a downgrade.

For sure, what we need is a heartless, mentally soft player, that shows up when he feels like it. Hard pass.

 

[Fogelhund]

Why would 1 year of Lindholm + Weegar cost Marner?

If anything if Lindholm tells the Flames he isn't re-signing we should try and take advantage of that situation and get a but of a discount on the player. Try to add him to the group for next year and you still have enough cap to re-up ROR.

Why would 1 year of Marner cost Weegar + Lindholm?

Clearly both teams involved would know that the players in question would extend.

 

[thusk]

Areas that our Core didn't want to go

Matthews, jt did it..

But just in term of stats

Leafs
Gm#1

HDCF 20 HDCA 11
HDSF 15 HDSA 8
HDGA 2 HDGA 3

Gm#2

HDCF 16 HDCA 8
HDSF 10 HDSA 6
HDGA 1 HDGA 1

vegas
gn# 1
HDCF 21 HDCA 10
HDSF 11 HDSA 8
HDGA 2 HDGA 0

Gm#2
HDCF 13 HDCA 20
HDSF 10 HDSA 11
HDGA 4 HDGA 2

The biggest difference between vegas and leafs after 2 game its Hill vs Samsonov. Hill made key save and Samsonov didn't... you will not playing the same way vs a goalie who dont allow any easy goal vs a goalie who allowed at least 1 weak goal every playoff game he played... exemple trailing 2-0 vs hill, youre not as confident to come back than trailing 2-0 against samsonov the way both played...and vegas playing with much more confidence with hill making huge stop after huge stop than leafs in front of Samsonov who allowed 3 really bad goal in 2 game.

I domt think gm 1 and 2 leafs was soft
Game 3 its an other story but 1st 2 game, they worked hard...but when your goalie gave 3 free goal and your opposite g didn't gave anything free and stole you at least 2 or 3 goal... its extremely hard to overcome a deficit of 5-6 goal in 2 game whatever how good you are...

I dont think a part of leafs fan realize whats impact goalie can have... 5 goal in 2 games!!!! If exemple youre droping 5 goal at 2 or even better at 1 or 0.. it is possible than unstead of losing 2-0 after 2, leafs would leading 2-0 at in worst case scenario being tie at 1-1? After we come and start to blame everybody to dont be able to overcome of 5 goal and try to find whats didn't work...

 

[ULF_55]

Winnipeg - marner, Samsonov
Montreal - Dubois, prospect
Leafs - Anderson, Hellebuyck


mess around other pieces


While at it:

Vancouver - Nylander
Toronto - JT Miller

spit and polish ...


Arizona - Matthews
Toronto - Crouse, Keller

 

[Burnie97]

I actually think Dubois hates the Leafs on a personal level. He's always insane against us, not like dominant just very active in good and bad ways. Seemed to really like taking cheap shots on the boys. I definitely believe he's a Habs fan lol

Part of me would want no part of him. The other part of me thinks we need more jerks, he definitely fits that bill.

Plays the sport he loves for millions. Guy is a cheap shot little puke who can't just wait until he's a UFA then sign wherever he wants.

Then retire before he's 40 and do whatever you want for the rest of your life. Yeah I feel so bad for him.

Nothing against you but I don't want that anywhere near this team. We have enough no shows already.

You're right though we need more jerks who play that type of game but just not him.

 

[Americanadian]

If we want to draw parallels - Nylander+1st+X for Dubois would be near identical to Huberdeau+1st+Weegar.

Huberdeau was pending UFA with higher point totals (Nylander). Tkachuk was a RFA who didn’t want to RE-sign with his current team and was the best player in the deal (Dubois). I just don’t know who the Weegar is from the Leafs side.

Maybe it’s Samsonov and they parlay Hellhbuck into a forward/defenseman.

 

[ACC1224]

If we want to draw parallels - Nylander+1st+X for Dubois would be near identical to Huberdeau+1st+Weegar.

Huberdeau was pending UFA with higher point totals (Nylander). Tkachuk was a RFA who didn’t want to RE-sign with his current team and was the best player in the deal (Dubois). I just don’t know who the Weegar is from the Leafs side.

Maybe it’s Samsonov and they parlay Hellhbuck into a forward/defenseman.

Tkachuk is way better than Dubois though and was also being moved to a team that he wanted to go to and would be able to re-sign him.
Even removing the 'X' seems like an overpayment by the Leafs.