New GM, New Trades and Signings Thread

[TMLAM34]

If we want to draw parallels - Nylander+1st+X for Dubois would be near identical to Huberdeau+1st+Weegar.

Huberdeau was pending UFA with higher point totals (Nylander). Tkachuk was a RFA who didn’t want to RE-sign with his current team and was the best player in the deal (Dubois). I just don’t know who the Weegar is from the Leafs side.

Maybe it’s Samsonov and they parlay Hellhbuck into a forward/defenseman.

Are you comparing Dubois to Tkachuk? Lol

I’m all for acquiring Dubois if he’d be willing to sign an extension here. But if I’m dealing Nylander for Dubois, there has to be a + next to Dubois not Nylander…

 

[showtime8]

For a guy that has played his way out of 2 markets, there is no chance the Leafs take a run at Dubois.

Lots of talent, but I don't think the effort is there. And the way he has dictated where he wants to go, I think Leaf fans would revolt if he no-showed for a 10 game stretch.

 

[rumman]

Tree better make compete and the refusal of losing the highest priority in any players being obtained, we’ve had years of flash and dash that doesn’t/can’t deliver. Time to replace the steno pool with a hard core construction crew imo……..

 

[showtime8]

Tree better make compete and the refusal of losing the highest priority in any players being obtained, we’ve had years of flash and dash that doesn’t/can’t deliver. Time to replace the steno pool with a hard core construction crew imo……..

I think he takes a look at the defense and makes a significant trade.

 

[rumman]

I think he takes a look at the defense and makes a significant trade.

It’s going to take a lot more than that to fix this mess, but I’d be a good start……

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm not sure how Dubois makes sense for the Leafs based on the cap space and assets it would take. Not to say he wouldn't be a great addition but I think there are other holes and priorities for the Leafs. He's going to ask a lot on his next contract I think and we have a lot of issues with those lately.

I think adding more secondary/depth pieces instead of adding high salary players makes a lot more sense.

 

[thusk]

It’s going to take a lot more than that to fix this mess, but I’d be a good start……

In reality, i think treliving need to make only one huge move to pratically double leafs chance to have succes

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I feel like we'd do well to get younger, faster, tougher, cheaper. Pretty hard ask

 

[Fogelhund]

I feel like we'd do well to get younger, faster, tougher, cheaper. Pretty hard ask

That would be a hard ask, and would require a pretty hefty retool. I'm not sure the org is up to that kind of shift. I would be surprised if we moved more than three bodies off the current roster.

 

[showtime8]

I feel like we'd do well to get younger, faster, tougher, cheaper. Pretty hard ask

Yeah, I'd say that's a very hard ask.

 

[SprDaVE]

I feel like we'd do well to get younger, faster, tougher, cheaper. Pretty hard ask

That would be a hard ask, and would require a pretty hefty retool. I'm not sure the org is up to that kind of shift. I would be surprised if we moved more than three bodies off the current roster.

All they have to do is give some of the younger players more leash instead of loading up on average depth players. Give Niemela, Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, McMann and Steeves more or less a spot on the roster. That's decent to good cheap depth and checkmark the younger and faster aspects of it. A couple of them play heavy as well.

The shopping list would then be a center and a winger totaling a max of 12M total assuming Murray is dumped.

 

[Fogelhund]

All they have to do is give some of the younger player more leash instead of loading up on average depth players. Give Niemela, Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, McMann and Steeves more or less a spot on the roster. That's decent to good cheap depth and checkmark the younger and faster aspect of it. A couple of them play heavy as well.

The shopping list would then be a center and a LW totaling a max of 12M total assuming Murray is dumped.

Most of your list have been allowed to play.... Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, McMann..... Holmberg showed he can be decent enough, but needs more time and work to have been good enough for the playoffs, in the end might not be physical enough for where we need to go. Knies is a fixture, Robertson might have been not for injury... McMann is a borderline guy. Steeves I doubt will ever catch on for us, just not good enough 5v5 in his own zone. Niemela.... I think gets traded.

 

[SprDaVE]

Most of your list have been allowed to play.... Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, McMann..... Holmberg showed he can be decent enough, but needs more time to have been good enough for the playoffs. Knies is a fixture, Robertson might have been not for injury... McMann is a borderline guy. Steeves I doubt will ever catch on for us, just not good enough 5v5 in his own zone. Niemela.... I think gets traded.

They have been allowed to play a bit yeah. My point is giving them a chance to make it fulltime as opposed to injury replacements if the goal is to get younger and faster. Not sure you'll get top end players for every spot so you're gonna get borderline players that need to develop more. I'd rather play McMann and Steeves than whatever they can get around the same price in free agency.

I don't see Niemela traded anytime soon unless there's a big trade lined up. He was really good for the Marlies and I think he'll push for a spot next season. He's better than any other RHD option after Liljegren.

 

[Jozay]

All they have to do is give some of the younger players more leash instead of loading up on average depth players. Give Niemela, Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, McMann and Steeves more or less a spot on the roster. That's decent to good cheap depth and checkmark the younger and faster aspects of it. A couple of them play heavy as well.

The shopping list would then be a center and a winger totaling a max of 12M total assuming Murray is dumped.

I think Knies is the only guy on that list good enough to be given a roster spot.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think Knies is the only guy on that list good enough to be given a roster spot.

Holmberg is underrated. He should have been up with the Leafs full time with his stint but he got injured and then lost with the million additions made. He was great for the Marlies in the playoffs. If he isn't with the Leafs, I don't think he'll stick around.

Robertson will be fine but obviously health has been an issue. He's definitely good enough for it if healthy.

McMann and Steeves are young depth players. If you can get better for cheap, then sure. McMann got injured at the worst time.

 

[rumman]

In reality, i think treliving need to make only one huge move to pratically double leafs chance to have succes

have you been watching the cup finals?

 

[ACC1224]

That would be a hard ask, and would require a pretty hefty retool. I'm not sure the org is up to that kind of shift. I would be surprised if we moved more than three bodies off the current roster.

Wouldn't not retaining the UFA's mean a turnover of more than three bodies?

 

[Fogelhund]

Holmberg is underrated. He should have been up with the Leafs full time with his stint but he got injured and then lost with the million additions made. He was great for the Marlies in the playoffs. If he isn't with the Leafs, I don't think he'll stick around.

Robertson will be fine but obviously health has been an issue. He's definitely good enough for it if healthy.

McMann and Steeves are young depth players. If you can get better for cheap, then sure. McMann got injured at the worst time.

Steeves just doesn't have what is needed out of a depth player 5v5. I liked McMann while he was up, and he did show some promise. I would like to see what he can do with some runway. Hopefully Robertson comes back, learns to play and score in the NHL, and learns to play a game where he can stay in the lineup. He certainly does have the drive.

I wonder if Niemela is too small for the direction we will likely go with Treliving.

If Holmberg learns faceoffs, and puts on some more strength in this offseason, he could be a really good option for us. His numbers would have been much better last year, if the guys he played with, could have put the puck in the net.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

With Athanasiou getting paid the way he did, and same goes to Gavrikov. What does that mean for guys like Kerfoot/Kampf/ROR/Bunting.

Probably not much, one is a D man.

The other plays for Chicago hence we got extra money.

 

[Fogelhund]

Wouldn't not retaining the UFA's mean a turnover of more than three bodies?

That wasn't my intent in saying that. I wouldn't consider those roster bodies at this point, if you catch my drift. I was talking about three players, who would currently be on a roster, who are signed.... I don't think more than three of those guys will get traded.

I'm sure we won't retain more than three UFA/RFA's.

I'd guess the following are gone

Kerfoot
Holl
Bunting
ZAR
Simmonds
Clifford
Gustafsson
Zohorna
SDA
Kallgren

 

[thusk]

have you been watching the cup finals?

Yes and its going in the same exact way im telling...

How do you want to see d by exemple jump on offensive opportunity when everytime its doesnt work well and get caught out of position the puck goes in... how do you want tonplay with the same agressivity/intensity when you always need to overcome from 1 to 2 weak goal everygame?

Just put a guy player can 100% trust in front the net and you will see a signifiant change on every player on the ice, i guarantee you

Exemple hill stopping verhaeghe in breakaway in 1st minute of game 2 vs samsonoc who been trash by losing his footing against verhaeghe gm 1 when leafs find a way to come back in the game... was maybe turning point of both game...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Winnipeg - marner, Samsonov
Montreal - Dubois, prospect
Leafs - Anderson, Hellebuyck


mess around other pieces


While at it:

Vancouver - Nylander
Toronto - JT Miller

spit and polish ...


Arizona - Matthews
Toronto - Crouse, Keller

ALL of this sucks for Toronto.

Short term JT_Miller might be OK but long term that contract is awful.


The rest of this is pathetic

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'm not sure how Dubois makes sense for the Leafs based on the cap space and assets it would take. Not to say he wouldn't be a great addition but I think there are other holes and priorities for the Leafs. He's going to ask a lot on his next contract I think and we have a lot of issues with those lately.

I think adding more secondary/depth pieces instead of adding high salary players makes a lot more sense.

Assuming he'd sign an extension it's rather simple he allows for 2 things.

1 he becomes the new #2 center allowing John Tavares to move to the wing full time.

2 he buys time. Toronto has NOTHING down the middle In their prospect pool, PLD is 25, acquiring him would allow them to use future draft capital to build their center depth, so that when the day comes that Matthews is gone they aren't worried about a replacement because they will have guys ready.

How doesn't that make sense?

 

[Fogelhund]

ALL of this sucks for Toronto.

Short term JT_Miller might be OK but long term that contract is awful.


The rest of this is pathetic

Some people are looking for change, just for the sake of change. Sometimes it's just a few changes that makes all the difference, and the players maturing, taking the next step... and maybe not being injured.

Assuming he'd sign an extension it's rather simple he allows for 2 things.

1 he becomes the new #2 center allowing John Tavares to move to the wing full time.

2 he buys time. Toronto has NOTHING down the middle In their prospect pool, PLD is 25, acquiring him would allow them to use future draft capital to build their center depth, so that when the day comes that Matthews is gone they aren't worried about a replacement because they will have guys ready.

How doesn't that make sense?

I'm not sold on PLD. He has the talent to be that guy, but I'm not sure he has the drive... I'm also not sure his price tag is in line with what he provides, nor do I believe he really wants to come here.

 

[weems]

Some people are looking for change, just for the sake of change. Sometimes it's just a few changes that makes all the difference, and the players maturing, taking the next step... and maybe not being injured.


I'm not sold on PLD. He has the talent to be that guy, but I'm not sure he has the drive... I'm also not sure his price tag is in line with what he provides, nor do I believe he really wants to come here.

Or even just the division itself becoming weaker.
The expectation last offseason was that Boston was going to fall off hard but we know that didn't happen and quite the opposite.
With TB's age and with the possibility of Bergeron retiring, I don't think its totally unreasonable to expect both those teams to regress a bit and the path to a division title could become easier.

To the topic of getting younger and faster, I agree but then you might want to think hard about giving a longterm contract to ROR because having both JT and ROR in the lineup is quite a bit of slow skating.